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Gulp: Jonathan Chait Is Right

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 4/10/2024 9:33:24 AM

I often make the distinction between liberals and Leftists. I understand why many people think I am too generous in doing so because liberals often fly cover for or implicitly coddle the antics of Leftists, but there is a genuine difference. Liberals tend to think the antics of Leftists are a stupid distraction but fear that criticizing them would give aid and comfort to the enemy. Conservatives do that, too. Look at Laura Loomer as exhibit one. We have our share of loons, the big difference being that they have less power over our Party and our movement than the Left does over Democrats.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: NorthernDog 4/10/2024 10:16:19 AM (No. 1696515)
One pundit saying the Leftists have gone a little too far isn't going to change anything. They need to be thoroughly defeated in November.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: thethirdruffian 4/10/2024 10:35:14 AM (No. 1696527)
I said this a day or so ago, but it bears repeating. If a conservative has some belief, he has the belief and seldom want to impose that belief on others. Say, if he is a atheist, he doesn't care if I am Jewish or you are Christian. But if a liberal (be he a leftist or liberal) has a belief, he requires you to also have that belief. If he is an atheist, you may not be Jewish or a Christian.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: PostAway 4/10/2024 10:54:19 AM (No. 1696544)
David Strom is heartened by Jonathan Chait’s newfound alarm at Leftist bullies in the marketplace of ideas. Ok. All well and good. But I am disturbed by Strom’s statement of moral equivalence when he says that the Right is sometimes guilty of abusing their freedom of speech as well: “As you know, I cringe at the worst excesses of the Right.” Like what? Why is it that when dealing with the asymmetrical warfare of the Left, which condones and promotes criminality even to the point of murder, conservatives feel the need to concede that they are also guilty of wrongdoing? Political conservatives in America have behaved like whipped dogs for too long.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: bpl40 4/10/2024 11:12:29 AM (No. 1696572)
Fundamental rule of political discourse. Jonathan Chait is ALWAYS wrong.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog 4/10/2024 11:29:19 AM (No. 1696579)
Loomer may be eccentric but she's also energetic and dogged in her exposure of financial and political links between bad actors. As with Trump, conservative hand-wringers spend too much time worrying about manners and delivery. I would much rather have a 75% hit rate on the worst of the worst than 25% on nobodies.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: LadyHen 4/10/2024 12:49:56 PM (No. 1696639)
fta: But until recently, the Left's tactics have worked well enough. Liberals cheered on as Trump appointees were driven out of the public space, unable to even go to a restaurant without harassment. I don't know what Chait thought of that, so I will charitably assume he objected. As many liberals quietly did, I suppose. --- Forgive me if I am not quite so charitable.. or even charitable at all. What blithering naivety! What did these morons think would happen? That their own attack dogs would not turn on them should said dogs see the Liberals as a threat to their perfect world view? You Liberals weaponized these zealots, endorsed their existence, affirmed their rage, gave them a platform, excused their criminality, looked the other way or even cheered them on when they attacked your "enemies" but now, all of a sudden you care about their behavior and want to bring them to heal because all of their rage and violence has suddenly come to YOUR neighborhood. Your judges are being targeted, your journalist being harassed, your pols being followed and threatened. You speech being drown out. NOW this terrorist behavior is wrong huh?. What bloody HYPOCRITES!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 4/10/2024 1:38:02 PM (No. 1696663)
It is far too late to accept the tepid apologies of liberals who, seeing the handwriting on the wall, admit that the Leftists may have gone a bit too far. They have pushed this country to the edge of the abyss and even if we recover, massive damage has been done, some of which that may linger for decades. This isn't just financial damage, although that is terrible. It is the corruption of our government and legal processes that is so egregious. To fix this, the solution is to create legal roadblocks that will repel the repeat of the insanity. This will not come without costs. We will not be the same country we were. We will probably be less tolerant, simply because we cannot afford to be. We cannot "assume" that people like Chait didn't intend the evil that has been done. We need to be vigilant and assume that liberals are generally STUPID in their intentions and reject them out of hand. Only with rigorous examination of their intent and the hard facts should we listen to liberals. It is simply safer to keep them away from the levers of power.
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