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Hamas fooled Israel's advanced surveillance
by doing all of its planning offline,
retired US general says

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Posted By: Beardo, 10/10/2023 7:36:00 PM

The latest attack on Israel by the militant group Hamas was a failure of Israel's huge surveillance and defense systems, a retired US general told CNN. (snip) "What Hamas did, what their leadership did, was apparently they moved off of the normal modern communications links that we take for granted every day, and went back to what you did in the 19th century: face-to-face meetings, they went and used couriers instead of going in and using the telephone or the cell phone," he said. (snip) Leighton said that Hamas launched missiles with a short, lower trajectory, making them harder for Israel to shoot down.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Kate318 10/10/2023 7:57:46 PM (No. 1574164)
Hamas had help from us. Guaranteed.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter 10/10/2023 8:06:53 PM (No. 1574173)
Was there no human intelligence coming out of Gaza? Our disastrous 1992 raid on Mogadishu. The story was that our high tech surveillance equipment couldn't monitor the walkie talkie frequencies being used by the local bad guys.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Venturer 10/10/2023 8:50:40 PM (No. 1574203)
The American citizen should learn something from this. Our own Government is listening to every word we say. Those on Jan. 6 were tracked down by their phones. The massacre and rapes by these animals was horrendous, but their planning without use of electronics is very telling.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jalo1951 10/10/2023 8:52:09 PM (No. 1574208)
Old school.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 10/10/2023 9:18:47 PM (No. 1574244)
Depending on tech is a fools move.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: BarryNo 10/10/2023 11:49:27 PM (No. 1574302)
Doing it off line might be something patriots need to do with respect to the current government.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: klezmer 10/11/2023 12:32:59 AM (No. 1574321)
They fooled all of the intelligence agencies the world over
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Reply 8 - Posted by: jayjeti 10/11/2023 12:45:16 AM (No. 1574325)
I've read they not only went low tech, but they fooled Israel into thinking they were more interested in economic development than attack Israel. They also did misdirection, causing lots of the IDF to be moved to the West Bank believing there would be trouble there.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Dreadnought 10/11/2023 1:19:11 AM (No. 1574336)
The New York Times published a major article 10 October that laid out 4 bullet points regarding the intelligence failure: Failure by intelligence officers to monitor key communications channels. Overreliance on border surveillance equipment. Israel used cameras and remotely controlled robotic machine-gun nests controlled via cellular channels (fiber is not mentioned) to guard the border. Hamas used drones to destroy the nests and the cellular towers that served the border, blinding the country. That's why Hamas easily breached the border with bulldozers and surged unopposed and undetected into the country. All area military commanders were located at a single base near the border. They were completely surprised by the surge, and all were immediately killed or captured without the ability escape or sound an alarm. The blindness was so complete that it took hours to surge aircraft over the area from bases that were literally minutes away (this in spite of social media and cell phone communications being flooded with widespread distress.) The intelligence service was willing believe the conversations that were being monitored via "private channels" that gave no indication of battle preparation. They now believe that they were being played by people who kew they were being monitored. Hamas had been very quiet in Gaza for a long time, showing no interest in causing trouble, leading Israel into believing there had been a new, less hostile status quo. Hamas was feeding into Israel's desire to believe, a form of confirmation bias.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: anniebc 10/11/2023 2:35:47 AM (No. 1574363)
So intelligence is now relegated to just online activity?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Rinktum 10/11/2023 4:49:57 AM (No. 1574394)
Hamas got lucky. However, that luck will not protect them from the wrath that is to come. Israel and the rest of the world has learned a hard lesson through this massacre. Never let your guard down, always believe that your enemy is using every possible means to fly under the radar. Always expect the worst and more of it. The world has turned very dark these past few years and evil is on the march like never before. We all must be vigilant and aware. Make sure that the good guys are in positions of leadership. That’s what this country is lacking right now and our enemies know it. The next year we are going to be in a very vulnerable state. If we are attacked it will be during that time.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: mifla 10/11/2023 6:44:21 AM (No. 1574456)
Kind of like the low tech bomb that leveled the World Trade Center on 9/11.That being said, the planning was done and financed by Iran. Hamas was the hired goons.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bur Oak 10/11/2023 7:04:24 AM (No. 1574467)
Does the general really know this or is he just guessing?
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Rumblehog 10/11/2023 7:19:58 AM (No. 1574474)
You mean much like Osama bin Laden did for his 9/11 planning? Excuse me, General, but I strongly suspect that the Israeli Intel organizations are smart enough to know that, and it has been well ensconced in their training protocol of new spies to be aware of "donkey distribution" by mooslim bad guys.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Krause 10/11/2023 7:44:56 AM (No. 1574493)
In their planning did hamas get a promise from Iran to pay to rebuild their neighborhoods after Israel totally destroys them? Or don’t they think that far ahead?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: broken01 10/11/2023 7:49:52 AM (No. 1574498)
So, you mean of the most aggressive intelligence agencies in the world in the Israeli Mossad was fooled by a 3rd rate group of terrorist barbarians in Hamas? That no one has any means of using HUMINT in their operations? I'm not buying that dog squeeze for one second.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 10/11/2023 7:56:26 AM (No. 1574508)
I always said that Obama played so much golf because he was communicating away from hidden mics and listening ears.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: TCloud 10/11/2023 8:10:52 AM (No. 1574517)
More things change, the more they stay the same like using 3x5 cards and ink pens!
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Reply 19 - Posted by: bpl40 10/11/2023 8:24:57 AM (No. 1574535)
Al Quida got lucky before 9/11. What happened to them? As a matter of fact so did the Japanese before Pearl Harbor.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: rikkitikki 10/11/2023 8:44:48 AM (No. 1574561)
Maybe so. But how was Hamas able to keep all of the secondary e-traffic offline? Unless, of course, the entire, 2.2 million residents of Gaza are all complicit...
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Rotten in Denmark 10/11/2023 8:51:39 AM (No. 1574569)
Switch to Morse Code and few can copy it anymore.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 10/11/2023 8:52:27 AM (No. 1574570)
I had suspected off-line planning was at play here. No phone calls, no internet usage, no texting, and no emails. All planning was completed by voice and face to face meetings in a secure room with no windows. And a strict code of silence was kept by the planners.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Heraclitus 10/11/2023 9:07:57 AM (No. 1574597)
Another "missed" planned attack: Benghazi. And not to forget, it took the FBI several days to get to the site, after it had been picked over by the likes of CNN reporters who "found" Ambassador Stevens's diary.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: michel-de-fer 10/11/2023 9:17:01 AM (No. 1574607)
Human intelligence has always been the backbone of spying. To paraphrase Napoleon: “One spy in the right place is worth 20,000 terabytes of Internet traffic.”
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Reply 25 - Posted by: swarfer 10/11/2023 9:41:09 AM (No. 1574633)
No one would use electronic communications to plan such an attack today. The ability to intercept and decrypt communication by major powers is obvious. The real problem is preventing careless communication slip ups. Apparently there was some breach but warnings were ignored likely due to do so many false alerts.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Lawsy0 10/11/2023 9:47:13 AM (No. 1574639)
A poster in another forum showed a list of reasons why Hamas hacked Israel's military security. When there are no excellent answers, even partial answers seem right.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Strike3 10/11/2023 10:34:55 AM (No. 1574701)
Wow, the geniuses did not use modern technology to commit Seventh Century barbarism? Who would have guessed that was possible? Yes, the Chinese used rockets and gunpowder in war long before the pedophile Mohammed was born.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 10/11/2023 10:54:45 AM (No. 1574724)
Only Israel can answer this. What about satellite surveillance? What about live intel on the ground? It's more than internet traffic. Hope Israel wasn't relying on the US for its intel. For some reason Israel did not respond to this. They probably saw the buildup and for whatever reason never responded to it. Hamas moved thousands of missiles and thousands of troops in preparation. Have to imagine Israel saw that.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Gallo3 10/11/2023 10:58:11 AM (No. 1574732)
Author of article quotes traitor Lt Col Bearclaw Vindman. Kind of shreds her cred right there.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Zigrid 10/11/2023 11:13:15 AM (No. 1574760)
The most difficult part of this nightmare is...that the obama/biden White House had a hand in this nightmare....and then as the babies lay beheaded...the obama White House had a celebration BBQ at the White House...wonder what they were celebrating....
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Reply 31 - Posted by: NotaBene 10/11/2023 1:03:21 PM (No. 1574893)
FTA: Another retired US military official, Lt Col. Alexander Vindman, said it was "kind of shocking" that Israel missed the planning of the attacks. I thought Vindman was the Minister of Defense for Ukraine.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: danu 10/11/2023 3:19:38 PM (No. 1575004)
yes and no, #14. many of us here remember iraq and afghanistan. they werent using donkeys merely to send secret plans. they used them to blow ppl up. the security ppl these days may not have been born then. but, without new toys, techie types get bored and complacent. oldschool is just oldhat.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: MachinegunWillie 10/11/2023 5:33:22 PM (No. 1575106)
I’m sorry, but there are thousands of anonymous “retired generals” out there and half couldn’t find their derrière with both hands and a map- so stating the obvious (Hamas kept a secret because they operated like the cavemen they are) and crediting an anonymous retired General Officer, with ALEXANDER “I’m overweight because my ego” VINDMAN (aka “Flounder” to his colleagues in the real army) for substantiation is about the dumbest act of journalism I’ve seen lately. It’s journalistic malpractice, to say the least!
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