Opinion: Why Trump’s January 6 defense
is even worse than it seems
CNN,
by
Steven Lubet
Original Article
Posted By: rememberwhen,
8/28/2023 4:54:11 PM
The best defense former President Donald Trump has against his indictment in Washington for multiple conspiracies to defraud the United States as part of the events of January 6, 2021, hinges on his purportedly sincere belief that he actually won the 2020 election. According to the prosecution, Trump and his co-conspirators attempted to “overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified.”
Reply 1 - Posted by:
rememberwhen 8/28/2023 5:00:27 PM (No. 1544631)
Oops. The last two words in the Comments should be Constitutionally protected. Sorry for the error.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
spacer 8/28/2023 5:17:51 PM (No. 1544640)
Pathetic nonsense. This person sounds a lot like the lawyers arguing the states twisted prattle in the Rittenhouse persecution. The jurors didn't buy that either.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DVC 8/28/2023 5:29:02 PM (No. 1544648)
Bull hockey.
1) There was no riot.
2) There were a few antifa thugs and undercover federal agents who broke FOUR windows, and pushed past barricades.
3) Almost all the people there walked in, past Capitol policemen holding the doors for them.
At worst, we have trespassing and a few individual cases of relatively minor vandalism. One person stole a laptop. That is a crime....but only for THAT ONE person.
Trump did NOTHING whatsoever illegal. He told people to be peaceful and to protest. He didn't incite the crowd, and they didn't riot, and they CERTAINLY didn't start anything remotely like an "insurrection"....no guns, no shooting.....except for the Capitol policeman who shot to death an unarmed woman for trespassing. Any other person who shoots a trespasser and kills them....will go to jail for at least manslaughter.
Trump is 100% innocent of any crime related to the events of January.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
john56 8/28/2023 5:31:43 PM (No. 1544651)
Remind me if I ever need a lawyer, not to hire this bozo. Or any of his learned students.
The only wise advice I saw was that Trump should not take the stand. That's usually a wise move for any defendant in a criminal case. Yes, the prosecution has to prove guilt -- and just saying something is
"false" does not make it false.
But the persecution does have some cards -- they have a favorable judge trying to rush the defense, who has not had the opportunity to review ALL the material that the persecutors plan to use (and probably find there is much exculplatory evidence that they aren't going to provide), a jury pool that voted 95% against Trump, and a media that runs tripe like this.
President Trump and his lawyers would be wise to delay any trial as long as possible -- probably after the 2024 election -- so they could properly prepare for the serious charges (with suspicious evidence, not related to what they are charging him for), and obtain a change of venue to a more favorable locale.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Chiritwo 8/28/2023 5:32:01 PM (No. 1544653)
All I had to see was CNN and knew it was a lie.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
weirdone 8/28/2023 5:33:59 PM (No. 1544657)
No one listens to the Communist News Network, don't waste your breath.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
BarryNo 8/28/2023 5:36:11 PM (No. 1544660)
It's CNN. An orange wig triggers them. Pathetic losers whining about a winner... In 2016 and 2020!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Krause 8/28/2023 5:49:25 PM (No. 1544673)
So how does Trump ‘overthrow an election?’ How does that work?
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
stablemoney 8/28/2023 5:53:35 PM (No. 1544676)
You always have to read the snake story, before reading anything from CNN.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Starboard_side 8/28/2023 5:59:10 PM (No. 1544682)
First, who thinks it's in Trump's nature to simply give up when he thinks there's a chance.
Second, they were likely hearing all sorts of reports of election issues so he likely felt there was more than just a chance, but that things seemed to suddenly change without a good explanation. Thus, he had a good rationale to investigate to the "nth" degree he could.
Third, he knew he was being attacked, and didn't really have a peaceful transfer of power considering they were investigating him while he was a candidate, after he won the election (transition) and throughout his entire Presidency, so had good-faith concern that something more was being done that wasn't on the up and up.
Fourth, only due to the J6 event did they change the rules for counting electors, which Pence should easily be able to confirm, AFTER they re-convened that same January 6th evening.
Fifth, no one has been charged, including the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers (had never heard of either until this event), with insurrection. A few were convicted of seditious conspiracy.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Noj15 8/28/2023 6:28:42 PM (No. 1544693)
Hey Stevie,
I didn't see you all butt hurt when Alvin Bragg, Stacey Abrams, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Jill Stein, Barbara Boxer, Fani Willis, Martin Sheen, and a hundred others protested election results. Hey Stevie, how are your CNN ratings these days? Where's your blockbuster article on Joe Biden (the Sock Puppet for the Kenyan). Speaking of the Kenyan, did his now dead chef see Mike's you-know-what? That would be worth our time. CNN..why pay to be lied to?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
SALady 8/28/2023 6:29:46 PM (No. 1544695)
Well, at least they got one thing right: This is clearly an "Opinion", and a horrible, illogical, and evil one by a biased CNN mouthpiece!!!!!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
kono 8/28/2023 7:12:22 PM (No. 1544708)
Of course, CNN's view of everything having to do with Trump is wildly skewed by their rabid hatred of him, abundantly demonstrated since at least 2016.
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It's a CNN report, credibility zero. Never mind. Stop reading.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
EQKimball 8/28/2023 7:54:44 PM (No. 1544722)
He should have just gone to the Eclipse and asked the crowd to join the “resistance.” Who could object? Certainly not Hillary.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
sw penn 8/28/2023 8:44:37 PM (No. 1544738)
"legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election"
Prove it
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
snowoutlaw 8/28/2023 9:32:02 PM (No. 1544757)
On Jan 6, 2021 Trump was president meaning he has blanket immunity, he can't be charged with anything.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Flyball Dogs 8/28/2023 9:41:16 PM (No. 1544760)
ALL comments are spot on.
But screen shot #3 (DVC) and refer to it frequently. A succinct review of facts.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
danu 8/28/2023 9:48:36 PM (No. 1544763)
another Corrupt No Nothing heard from.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp 8/28/2023 9:57:34 PM (No. 1544770)
Opinion: Why Lupert's ridiculous article is even worse than it seems. He knows he's spouting nonsense and lies, but he publishes this stuff, anyway.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
XCenturion 8/29/2023 12:54:49 AM (No. 1544860)
I'm not going to make the mistake of even reading an article published by CNN. It's all propoganda!
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I'm not a lawyer but even I could refute this false premise; "The indictment lists over 100 allegedly false claims and statements by Trump, with times, places and witnesses."
Don't these lawyer ever read anything but the very liberal Pablum like on MSNBC and others?
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Strike3 8/29/2023 6:38:39 AM (No. 1544943)
Here is some news, Steven, Trump won in 2020 and the majority of Americans agree with him. Peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Joe Biden is not a legitimate president - in so many ways.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
john56 8/29/2023 12:21:53 PM (No. 1545187)
Folks, like it or not, Joe Biden "won" the 2020 Presidential Election. When the Electoral College votes were counted, yes, he had over 270 and was certified as the winner. And yes, it's very possible that Biden won the election. Let's face it, President Trump won in 2016 by something like 70,000 votes in three states. With about 150 million voters, 70,000 votes is a rounding error. As I said during that election, the Trump team didn't have much they could afford to lose. And our opponents took advantage of every legal, illegal, moral, and immoral advantage they could.
Did he win it fairly? That's a debatable point. Very debatable. There are just too many "coincidences" that happened, almost simultaenously, and all fell one direction. If this was the lottery, it would be like winning ten jackpots in a row with the same ticket. Sadly, President Trump and his allies, much like Kari Lake in Arizona, were not offered the opportunity to challenge these results in court.
I tend to fall in the "I suspect something fishy, but can't prove it" category.
President Trump needs to focus on Make America Great Again Again. Let the courts, press, and Dems relive the 2020 election.
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