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Ron DeSantis is flat out wrong on Ukraine
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Posted By: Ida Lou Pino, 3/15/2023 9:23:36 AM

After months of near-silence and innuendo, Florida Gov. and GOP presidential hopeful Ron DeSantis decided to speak about Ukraine, removing all doubt about his position. While his statement on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show makes a handful of valid points, it is ridden with a fundamental misunderstanding of the war and US geopolitical interests. First, the good. DeSantis is correct to criticize the Biden administration’s lack of clear objectives in its support for “as long as it takes,” which is a recipe for a long and intractable conflict — which Americans would be right to reject.


Murdoch's New York Post has gone Full Kristol. War at any price! Even if it means bleeding our country dry - - to support a totalitarian thug like Zelenskyyyyyy.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Venturer 3/15/2023 9:32:34 AM (No. 1425662)
Nazism and anti Christian and we are supporting it. Is Zelenski a better power figure than Putin? I am not so sure we are on the right side.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: john56 3/15/2023 9:38:45 AM (No. 1425668)
Okay, I think we all agree that Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong. But I'm not sure it is worth the gutting of our own military supplies And our fine European allies are again sitting there, letting Uncle Sucker pick up the tab. Well, one thing you can say about Sleepy Creepy Crooked President Uncle Joe, is that he meets the definition of an "honest politician." That's when you've been bought off, you stay bought off.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: AltaD 3/15/2023 9:41:34 AM (No. 1425673)
I'm not familiar with this author so I did a quick Duck-search. The top three results to his past articles linked to AEI, Cato and The Bulwark. Bulwark ... this explains his pro-war views.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: spacer 3/15/2023 9:47:57 AM (No. 1425677)
Anyone that urges our military involvement in Ukraine with the traitors running the military today are themselves traitors.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Sanchin 3/15/2023 9:50:02 AM (No. 1425680)
The author has links to American Enterprise Institute and most are aware of their ideology and promotion of American Hegemony even if it means continuous war across the globe. He does finally admit that this is not about Ukraine and its people but about weakening China via Russia. Also, he is flat out wrong/perhaps overtly lying when he states there is no talk of regime change: listen to McCain's protege Lindsey Graham, listen Canadian Foreign Affairs Joly state that regime change is the goal. Listen to UK's Truss. Regime change may not be finalized on paper but it is the plan.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Hazymac 3/15/2023 10:01:02 AM (No. 1425692)
I wish for Putin nothing more pleasant than to be poisoned with ricin--something he has done to others before--or to have some Russian assassin named Lee Harvski give him a smoke check. (What's a smoke check? Poke a bunch of hole in him and see if there's any smoke in there.) The punishment would be condign if Vlad's invasion of Ukraine resulted in his ouster, alive or dead, whether sooner or later, and after much destruction of Russian treasure and unnecessary loss of life on both sides. That said, the blank check we've provided for Zelenskyyy is absurd. A lot of bad things happen all over the world, including places outside Ukraine, and we can't fix it all, nor should we try. Zelensky is no democrat. He's just got an extra "Y" gene. Ukraine is not America's jungle, and these are not our monkeys. Gov. DeSantis's instincts are proper if he doubts the neocons. Good for him. Those who hate DeSantis are not even Republicans; they're globalists, WEFers. And I do mean effers.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Nashman 3/15/2023 10:08:13 AM (No. 1425703)
Money laundering does make for strange bedfellows. Neocoms, leftists, Pelosi, the Biden Crime syndicate, the NEA… they want this war so the can go get their suitcases full of our money. Now that this is finally starting to sink in to the public, I’m hoping there’s a lot more resistance to getting Ukraine anything at all… even Nerf Guns.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: formerNYer 3/15/2023 10:08:24 AM (No. 1425704)
Sorry Post I agree with Ron DeSantis we are spending money we don't have and in the guise of helping Ukraine we are destroying the USA.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: TexaTucky 3/15/2023 10:35:41 AM (No. 1425732)
Yes, please. Let's do to Ukrainians and their country what we did to the south Vietnamese, Afghanis, and Iraqis. As a bonus, we can enrich politicians, oligarchs, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Halliburton, General Dynamics, etc to the tune of trillions. Because "freedom".
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Reply 10 - Posted by: swarfer 3/15/2023 10:42:36 AM (No. 1425734)
Ukraine is the biggest diplomatic disaster this nation has ever created. WE instigated, supported and condoned the overthrow of a constitutionally, legally elected government based on agreements made during the breakup of the Soviet Union, a nation which lasted 70 years and fought the greatest war in the history of the world defeating the Nazis. The West did not keep their agreements. This is the source of this conflict, period. Then to add insult to injury, WE welcomed NATO into Ukraine deliberately provoking a response from Russia, ON THEIR BORDER. WE nearly went to nuclear war over Russian missiles in Cuba in 1962 so what were we thinking? Apparently, we don't think anymore. Democrats who are historically anti-war supported the conflict because Russia does not support their social agenda and is an impediment to its world-wide adoption. Of course, 2/3rds of the world doesn't either, including China, India, Africa and the Mideast who are all aligning with Russia through BRICS to ensure they are not sanctioned out of business when they don't support US hegemony policies or directives. The Biden administration is the most incompetent and underhanded administration this nation has ever seen. The public is shielded from the realities of the conflict.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Trump'sCousin 3/15/2023 10:51:56 AM (No. 1425738)
Let's make draft dodging great again! Only Ftards who support Ukraine will be required to report for compulsory service.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Pearson365 3/15/2023 10:54:04 AM (No. 1425739)
“The rest, alas, is a hot mess, starting with a series of straw-man arguments warning against “deployment of American troops,” which nobody is advocating,” Author intentionally forgets LBJ’s pre election promise in 1964 that “I will not send American boys to fight in Vietnam”. A promise made while Johnson had plans on his desk to send 300,000 US troops to fight in Vietnam. Author also forgets that the Special Forces attack in Afghanistan to get Osama Bin Laden was followed by 20 plus years of conventional war and a humiliating defeat under Biden. Wars never go as planned, and Ukraine is not an easy war. And “straw men” end of being young Americans who die in poorly thought out wars.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: rockeysroomie 3/15/2023 11:02:07 AM (No. 1425747)
All good comments. I like #2's description of our country: Uncle Sucker.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena 3/15/2023 11:15:24 AM (No. 1425753)
What is wrong about wanting to know how all of these billions are being sent? And what is the end-game? Apparently, there isn't any.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: msjena 3/15/2023 11:18:47 AM (No. 1425758)
^^ spent, not sent.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Proud Texan 3/15/2023 11:28:57 AM (No. 1425766)
Putin versus the New World Order is what this war is really all about. Choose carefully!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 3/15/2023 11:38:34 AM (No. 1425776)
No he's not. The Ukrainians and the Rus have been going at each other for a millennia. This is not a new conflict. It's a carryover from the Russian Empire days. Anyone who has read/studied any history knows that. We are not threatened by either, period, no joke. Both 45 and DeSantis are correct. Only the neocons and the MIC are for this conflict. Both are being enriched by the conflict. This is real life Orwellian 1984 - we are Oceania, whereas the Ukraine and the Rus are Eurasia and EastAsia respectively. After all Newspeak is the language of the Deep State.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 3/15/2023 11:57:32 AM (No. 1425800)
After all this time, the stupid Cold War is still going on. We don't have the money for it, but some are getting rich off it. Everyone else suffers. Not sure there are any good guys in this. Apparently, we just cannot get along. Stupidity and corruption in equal doses unfortunately. People are getting killed over this.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: jalo1951 3/15/2023 11:57:54 AM (No. 1425802)
Unlimited money (how much returned to FJB and others in kickback payments), unlimited supplies (leaving us in a dangerous position), unlimited time for our involvement. NO
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 3/15/2023 12:06:46 PM (No. 1425811)
Anyone with an open mind should read this well reasoned and accurate look at why DeSantis has gone entirely off the raiks on this topic. Claiming that US troops are at risk is a disingenuous line of BS. Noobe gas ever mentioned US troops in ANY context, and Ukraine has never asked for anything beyond weapons to defend themselves with. And deposing Putin is both far outside of our capacity, and only something that Russian can decide. There has been no serious debate on that topic at all. But, the Russian disinformation view has apparently been entirely embraced by far too many normally sensible and reasonable conservatives. Unfortunately, DeSantis' advisers have done him a serious disservice with their bad advice on this topic.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: cold porridge 3/15/2023 12:18:00 PM (No. 1425822)
New York Post, and Dalibor Rohac are flat out wrong on Ukraine.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: cold porridge 3/15/2023 12:21:25 PM (No. 1425829)
I expected a comment like that from DVC
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Reply 23 - Posted by: mc squared 3/15/2023 12:38:33 PM (No. 1425848)
Assistance to Ukraine may be warranted in certain circumstances but not with Barnum & Baily in the White House. I suspect we wouldn't be in this position if DJT had been there. (Pubbies don't usually start prolonged wars)
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Reply 24 - Posted by: jayjeti 3/15/2023 12:45:01 PM (No. 1425852)
Garbage article that's a shill for Ukraine. The MSM's dog in this fight is Ukraine and censors comments of the reverse.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Venturer 3/15/2023 12:47:07 PM (No. 1425856)
If we stopped sending money would Ukraine sue for peace? Could there be a peaceable settlement.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: smokincol 3/15/2023 1:07:34 PM (No. 1425865)
it's a known fact that the European nations are not picking up there level of responsibility - this should not be allowed to continue
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Reply 27 - Posted by: SALady 3/15/2023 1:12:59 PM (No. 1425869)
This is not a "good guy vs bad guy" kind of war. They are both bad guys. We do not have a treaty promising to defend Ukraine if they are invaded. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. There is exactly zero reasons for the US to get involved in this disaster. Yet we are billions and billions of dollars invested in this insane war, with no end in site and no accountability for the weapons and money that we have given to Ukraine (other than the receipts for the Christmas shopping that Mrs. Zelensky did in those fancy boutiques in Paris last December while the people in her country were suffering). I am old enough to remember the Vietnam War. Sadly, this feels exactly like that. We started out by giving the South Vietnamese money and weapons. We, of course had to send over "advisors" to make sure they were using those weapons correctly. This is the point that we are in this Ukraine/Russia war. If this war continues at this rate, it will become WW-III, and we will have our very unprepared (but totally woke) troops on the ground being slaughtered for something we never had to get involved with in the beginning. DeSantis is right. And I do believe that Putin respects and fears Trump enough to actually end this war quickly if Trump is elected in 2024. But for the next year and a half, expect a giant stalemate with lots of people dying and being hurt, and lots of our tax dollars going to waste while this country suffers through a mass invasion of illegal aliens and massive inflation and a recession!!!!!
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Reply 28 - Posted by: JackBurton 3/15/2023 1:20:24 PM (No. 1425873)
FTA: f anything, the crude pattern seems to suggest that aggressive, “hardline” leaders are followed by more cautious ones — Stalin was succeeded by Khrushchev, Brezhnev (essentially) by Gorbachev, and Ivan the Terrible by Boris Godunov. Yeh. Sure. South Africa is better now? Ghadaffi was followed by.... who? And of course, the Ataytollah was more moderate than the Shah.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Mofongo 3/15/2023 1:22:18 PM (No. 1425875)
Murdoch is the new Hearst. Death and Empire. What a great creed to live and publish by.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Kate318 3/15/2023 1:47:16 PM (No. 1425888)
From one “normally sensible and reasonable conservative” to another, #16 cuts to chase.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: ARKfamily 3/15/2023 2:14:49 PM (No. 1425903)
#20, I am sickened by the money that is going into Ukraine. There are a lot of people in the USA who could benefit from those monies. . .
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Reply 32 - Posted by: ChattyCatsSusan 3/15/2023 2:34:53 PM (No. 1425922)
I note that the media and politicians aren't encouraging each other to send their own flesh and blood along with their own money to Ukraine as cannon fodder. No, that privilege is reserved for us taxpayers.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: RayLRiv 3/15/2023 2:37:14 PM (No. 1425928)
I love my country but I will not allow my 18-year-old (and/or 12-year-old, if this conflict goes on that long) to die fighting in a foreign conflict we have no business getting involved in. This is madness. My oldest turned 18 this past December and signed up with the Selective Service (as required by law.) This illegal administration better not think of re-starting the draft cause they won't find MY kids fighting in Ukraine or Russia. I'd gladly join them IF our OWN home soil was attacked. That's worth fighting for. NOT to enrich the military-industrial complex General Eisenhower warned us about.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace 3/15/2023 2:50:21 PM (No. 1425942)
Lack of any accountability. Sending our weaponry to Ukraine. I did not see any news about Congress being in the loop so to speak. Biden just sent money and guns to Ukraine. I saw Zelinsky kissing up to Pelosi. Making speeches to Congress and the UN. Still no accountabilty any where. I Thought Zelinsky was not one of the crooked politicians. Wrong on everything. Kristol, and the Senator from S. Carolina on the air ranting, "We must go to war..." or words to that effect. Not much help from NATO. Just us. Stop it now. We have too many bad things going on in our country we need to take care of.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: beancounter 3/15/2023 2:55:29 PM (No. 1425947)
Bunk! Biden and Lindsey Graham, just to name 2, have talked about regime change in Russia.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: whyyeseyec 3/15/2023 3:05:35 PM (No. 1425956)
Ukraine is where DC launders US taxpayer dollars that have been dispensed in those trillion dollar appropriation bills that nobody in Congress is allowed to read but are forced to vote for if they know what's good for them. DC is willing to spill American blood and treasure to protect their financial interests at all costs.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: snakeoil 3/15/2023 3:49:23 PM (No. 1425995)
At the beginning of America's involvement in Vietnam we were told by our government that no American soldiers were ever to be involved in combat. After 60,000 Americans came back in boxes, that tells you what our government's word is worth. We need to stop being the world's police and sugar Daddy.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: judy 3/15/2023 5:25:45 PM (No. 1426054)
The US has NOT won a war since WW2 ...we are sick of endless wars....
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Rhh0nda 3/15/2023 7:21:24 PM (No. 1426121)
I remember another RNC Inc. approved "Compassionate Conservative", "Uniter not a Divider" Governor who made it to the White House. The only truly honest thing he said was this, "You dance with them that brung ya" I see who DeSantis is dancing with these days. None of them are worth dying for. Fool me once....................I won't fall for your strategery again!!!
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Reply 40 - Posted by: FJB 3/15/2023 7:38:46 PM (No. 1426129)
President Trump and Governor De Santis are right on. Like all of China Joe's other treasonous behavior, WW III will make money for the Biden Crime Cartel and further damage America and any Patriots caught in the crossfire.
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Reply 41 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 3/16/2023 12:09:29 AM (No. 1426286)
Dalibor Rohac Huh? now, that's a good old, traditional, All-American Name. Inspires confidence that the bearer is a patriot who wants only the best for the American people. (OKAY, I'll admit that I'm a bit of a 'Namist' when it comes to people who hold a vastly different opinion than I on important topics.)
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Reply 42 - Posted by: RWPollock 3/16/2023 6:47:19 AM (No. 1426384)
Sorry Mr Rohan but bleeding us dry and throwing money down an endless pit as you advocate it ridiculous. 1 Europe is not paying enough and pulling their weight. 2. Demented Joe and his stupid oil fossil fuel policy is hurting the anti-Russian war effort. We need again to become an oil producing dominant player. Drive down the world oil price. I believe the magic number is around $78 a barrel. In doing so Russia and Putin’s economy is wrecked. They have no money to fund the war. Their economy is wrecked they lost a war and they will suffer greatly there after on the world stage. They will be third world while Ukraine joins Europe and will thrive! But no the liberals and their green policies would rathe4 bleed us dry for a war and cost that currently has no end. Their end will require NATO and US troops on the ground. Keep this up an we will need a draft.
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Posted by Imright 3/16/2023 1:38:11 AM Post Reply
Now that Democrats are in the minority in the House and unable to abuse their power as easily as they have done the last two years, they are resorting to shameless lies to sabotage oversight hearings and trash whistleblowers and other inconvenient witnesses. They have anointed as queen of this disinformation operation, a little-known Democrat named Stacey Plaskett, who is not even a full-fledged member of Congress. Plaskett’s favorite adjective is “so-called,” which is ironic since she is a so-called member of Congress. She does not have voting rights as the “at-large” delegate for the US Virgin Islands.
Biden: Listen, Pal, My Gay Marriage 'Epiphany'
was in the 1960s
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Posted by Imright 3/16/2023 1:12:25 PM Post Reply
He's told versions of this story before, and it's an odd one. Maybe it's true, or partially true. Or maybe it's one of the many tall tales Joe has totally fabricated or drastically embellished over the years -- often seemingly designed to inject a dramatic personal angle to a story, in order to ingratiate himself to an audience for political purposes. Here he is being questioned by a gay actor on an entertainment channel the other day, and he's evidently eager to boast about his early enlightenment about same-sex marriage, far ahead of the societal curve. His 'epiphany' on gay rights, he claimed, happened in the early 1960s:
Kamala Harris Has Trouble Defining Vice
President’s Job in ‘The Late Show
with Stephen Colbert’ Appearance
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Posted by Imright 3/16/2023 12:58:16 PM Post Reply
Battling persistently low approval ratings across party lines, Vice President Kamala Harris (D) appeared Wednesday on CBS’ The Late Show with Stephen Colbert in the latest attempt to burnish her public image. But Harris stumbled badly when she seemed either unable or unwilling to define the vice president’s job. During the awkward exchange, host Stephen Colbert asked Harris to explain “what is the actual role on a daily basis” of the vice president.Harris avoided answering the question by praising President Joe Biden (D). “Well, I have the great privilege of serving with Joe Biden, who is president of the United States,” she said to thunderous applause
Trump’s VP? Some in GOP already jockeying
for consideration
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Posted by Imright 3/16/2023 1:33:16 AM Post Reply
OXON HILL, Md.—Trips to Mar-a-Lago. Glowing speeches. Front-row seats at major events. The first Republican presidential primaries are nearly a year away and the candidate field is unsettled. But already, a shadow contest of another sort is underway with several Republicans openly jockeying to position themselves as potential running mates to Donald Trump, the early front-runner for the nomination. “A lot of people are right now auditioning,” Trump boasted to supporters in Florida last month. The mere mention of a running mate this early in the process is a departure from the traditional timeline of presidential primaries, where candidates typically spend the opening months of a campaign introducing themselves to voters
Air Force hiring DEI managers for big bucks 14 replies
Posted by Dreadnought 3/16/2023 2:47:30 PM Post Reply
As with the rest of the United States armed forces, the Air Force missed its recruiting goals in 2022 and they are on track to fall short again this year by at least 10%. This is a particularly dangerous time to be understaffed when so many of our resources are going toward training and equipping the Ukrainian military and we’re teetering on the edge of possible conflicts with Russia and/or China. So what are our flyboys (and ladies) to do? Whoever is currently in charge of this problem inside the Pentagon thinks they’ve struck on the answer. We clearly need more diversity, equity and inclusion! With that in mind,
Sacramento Bee Apologizes for Saying Charlie
Kirk Called to ‘Lynch’ Transgenders
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Posted by Hazymac 3/16/2023 7:23:08 AM Post Reply
The Sacramento Bee, a Northern California-based newspaper, has apologized for falsely claiming that Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk called to “lynch” transgenders. Charlie Kirk had been scheduled to speak at the University of California Davis on Tuesday when Sacramento Bee opinion writer Hannah Holzer called the activist “another fascist” and said that he wanted to lynch transgender people. “Among his most atrocious comments, Kirk suggested transgender people, who he has referred to as ‘garbage,’ ought to be lynched,” Holzer wrote. Holzer also called Kirk a “vocal transphobe and Donald Trump fanatic” who has “turned controversy into money for years.” Holzer based her opinion on an out-of-context clip from Charlie Kirk’s show
There’s No Liar Like A Biden 13 replies
Posted by RockyTCB 3/16/2023 7:46:59 AM Post Reply
How do we know when Joe Biden is lying? When he says he gives us his word as a Biden. But that’s not the only time he spins a whopper. He says something untrue quite regularly, the most recent instance a tall tale about his “epiphany” regarding gay marriage. When asked about his “evolution on marriage equality” during an interview on Monday night’s “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central, Biden radically revised his personal history so that he would appear to have been woke for more than a half century. Our president (how did such a thing ever happen?) said
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