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Posted By: Hazymac, 3/11/2023 11:48:51 AM

The battle between WW2 German and British scientific intelligence was described by Winston Churchill as the “Wizard War” in his postwar memoirs. But in that distant age, the “Wizard War” was still junior to the physical conflict between armies of millions, systems of mass production and access to copious quantities of raw materials. Mental strife was only a useful adjunct what was still primarily a material struggle. Today, as Eric Schmidt of formerly of Google argues in Foreign Affairs, it is the armies of millions, systems of mass production that is subordinate to the war of minds. “Rather than natural resource wealth or mastery

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Luandir 3/11/2023 12:15:45 PM (No. 1422643)
It's Sparta vs. Gomorrah - no contest.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Italiano 3/11/2023 12:22:59 PM (No. 1422647)
Prior to and during WW2, Churchill never sold out to Hitler. Different situation entirely. D.C, has been bought and paid for by the Chicoms. I know which way I'm betting.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: DVC 3/11/2023 12:28:08 PM (No. 1422650)
Artificial intelligence remains almost entirely a marketing sales pitch without substance. In the narrowest and most limited fields of inquiry....some fairly complex programming (but still just programming) can do some very useful sort of narrowly focused tricks. But in the sense that humans understand intelligence, this sort of fancy programming is still as far from what is currently possible as the "I, Robot" science fiction short stories of Asimov were from reality when they were written in the 1940s and 50s. It's still all science fiction. In this commentary, Mr. Fernandez brings up a new term "artificial general intelligence", which he points out is "the holy grail" and indicates is yet far from being a real thing. And this peels back one of the layers of fraud that make up "AI" .....showing that what most laymen consider "artificial intelligence" to be is not at all what these marketing carnival barker types have been SELLING as "AI" for a couple of decades now. And make no mistake....this is a SALES pitch. This is how boring, plodding, FAILING "AI researchers" keep hyping their BS so that the big money folks will keep shoveling billions into their next dry hole. Tiny bits of clever, but entirely ordinary programing piled into large enough piles....starts to look fairly clever, and the carnival barkers salemen keep shouting "Get your AI, step right up, Dr. Wizard's Super-Ultra, Magical AI serum solves ALL your problems"....just step right up and buy your ticket, for another $50 million R&D dollars. And they PROMISE that their new research will deliver REAL benefits "in a few short years". They said the same thing 25 years ago about AI and 50 years ago about nuclear fusion. Both consume trillions of R&D dollars and produce......nothing useful, decade after decade. But we MUST BELIEVE....the money MUST FLOW because it is really, really, really important. It will save humanity from everything, we promise. Promise a big enough fairy tale "treasure" at the end and the suckers keep shoveling the dollars. Stuff and nonsense. We are as close to actual artificial intelligence now as we were in 1852, frankly. And the intelligence and learning ability of a mouse is entirely beyond the largest computers in the world. I think that even a cockroach can "out think" most AI computers, but perhaps they have gotten up to that level. Of course a cockroach has no actual brain, just some bumps on nerve bundles. Keep buying the AI carnival barker's line of BS, and keep shoveling the trillions of dollars....because - if you don't the Chinese will get the magic first. Oh, DEAR! Or maybe the Chinese will bankrupt their system first. I'm not convinced that actual useful "AI" is within human grasp for at least a few centuries and maybe not even then. The WAY our computers work (digital computers, with 0s and 1s) is entirely different than the way a brain works, and I think that this fundamental, absolutely massive difference prevents our machines from doing what brains do, probably until we know how to make brains in a lab. And THAT is as far away from us as a cell phone was from Alexander the Great, probably farther. At one time, different kinds of systems, call neural networks seemed to be promising, and worked in entirley different ways from digital computers....but those were abandoned a decade or two ago, and more money shoveled into the huge boilers of "Big AI". Don't hold your breath for real results beyond a few bits of clever programming in very narrow areas.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: velirotta 3/11/2023 12:28:53 PM (No. 1422651)
This is like an announcement that civilization as we have known it is rapidly coming to an end, when at last the Lord God steps in and says, "Enough," as in Revelation 6:12-17, first shaking up the world in a tremendous earthquake, after which "the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the mighty men," etc., head for the hills to hide. Only there's no hiding from Him, "For the great day of his wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?" Please bring it on, Lord.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: mseegal 3/11/2023 12:55:03 PM (No. 1422669)
It all depends on who is doing the AI programming. If it is woke, DEI hires, we institutionalize discrimination against conservatives. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DogFacedPonySoldier 3/11/2023 3:10:16 PM (No. 1422733)
How can we possibly have a war against the industrial powerhouse that makes all of our stuff? This seems insane to me!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 3/11/2023 3:30:04 PM (No. 1422749)
Never listen to Eric Schmidt.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: DrOstrow 3/11/2023 11:13:05 PM (No. 1422997)
Thank You #3 Have been saying for sometime that AI is a myth, but it sure SOUNDS neat doesn't it ? Base 2 arithmetic is NOT 'thought' so, at best, you are trying to emulating 'intelligence'. How do you emulate something, ANYTHING , if you do not have a GOOD accurate definition of what you are trying to emulate ? There are many programs, actually large groups of linked programs that can appear to be 'thinking but it is just programming, granted, a LOT of programming ! One of the best examples I ever read that showed we're actually on the wrong path for AI, was a group of IBM engineers who had created a machine SPECIFICALLY to defeat, I believe, world chess master Boris Spassky . The engineers were explaining to Mr. Spassky now many 'moves' and how fast the machine could project moves to be considered and then calculate the odds on Mr. Spassky's responses thereby selecting the 'best' move to make in order to win. When the engineers were finished, instead of just laughing, Mr. Spassky gracefully said, 'That's all very interesting gentlemen but that's not how I do it !!' Total silence !! And priceless !
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