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The Treachery of VP Mike Pence Explained

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Posted By: earlybird, 3/1/2023 4:50:00 PM

Finally, President Donald Trump chose to lob a verbal grenade in the general direction of his old VP Mike Pence last Sunday night — regarding Pence’s ability to formally contest the results of the stolen 2020 election. This was, for many Trump supporters, long overdue. Here is Trump’s statement on the matter: (snip)The reason that Mike Pence did not exercise the power to lawfully contest the election is because Mike Pence was never a Trump loyalist. He’s a GOP establishment loyalist. There were plenty of problems inside the Trump Administration, and Vice President Mike Pence was at the center of many of those problems. In fact,


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Reply 1 - Posted by: voxpopuli 3/1/2023 5:14:16 PM (No. 1414962)
25 million in soros bucks in a swiss bank explains a lott
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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird 3/1/2023 5:17:45 PM (No. 1414968)
A million thanks to Don Surber for recommending this article. The information in it on Pence’s perfidious attempts to remove Trump and the use of his staff to actively participate is all laid our here. It will knock your socks off. I begins with the firing of Mike Flynn for “lying to” Mike Pence. Do read it. Otherwise your comments will have no meat on their bones...
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Reply 3 - Posted by: pros7767 3/1/2023 5:43:16 PM (No. 1414987)
Thanks for posting OP. Lots of info. Sadly, many of us trusted him, including the J6 protesters, now prisoners. A pox on this "religious" man. Judas and his 30 pieces of silver in exchange for the country.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: john56 3/1/2023 5:44:14 PM (No. 1414988)
I tend to give VP Pence a bit of a pass on these events. No court allowed the legitimate concerns about the 2020 election to be heard. I realize proving much of the treachery would be harder, but the opportunity never was given. By January 6, there wasn't much left to do outside of a coup, which obviously DID NOT happen or WAS NOT attempted that day. Our RINO Establishment Republicans are willing to go along and play along to get their filthy lucre. Maybe Pence is a part of that group. But I'm not sure I would have done much differently that day either.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: RedLegLeader68 3/1/2023 6:19:27 PM (No. 1415010)
May I ever so gently call BS on #4's comment? Pence knew EXACTLY what he was doing, who he was installing on his staff, and ... WHO HE WAS AFTER. His actions speak volumes as to his true character.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: vhs68 3/1/2023 6:27:05 PM (No. 1415014)
Yes, the Mike Flynn fiasco was the start. All the Dots connect now.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: udanja99 3/1/2023 6:28:04 PM (No. 1415016)
I haven’t trusted Pence since he was governor of Indiana and “unsigned” a freedom of religion bill which he had signed into law when the LGBT crowd came after him. The bill would have made it legal for Christians to refuse to participate in things like homosexual weddings by baking cakes, photographing, providing a venue and making flower arrangements, etc.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Cyaindasun 3/1/2023 6:31:10 PM (No. 1415018)
Trump didn't pick Pence as his running mate. The RNC did. That was the deal Trump had to make to get their backing. Pence was their ace in the hole.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Birddog 3/1/2023 6:50:30 PM (No. 1415031)
On Jan 6, Pence WAS working the "Plan" there were 95 congressman and several senators that were just beginning to individually oppose the delivered elector panels from numerous states, the 1st panel had already been rejected and sent to a joint committee with the the Law Requires. (Democrats set the standard by doing the same thing before accepting James K Polks electors, though in that instance they did it to get some trade offs, one of which was withdrawing all reconstruction troops from the south, and rolling back voting rights there, which led to unseating many Repubs from the south in the next election. returning all Negro Repub seats to racist, white, democrat hands for another generation) All in all there were 19 objections that were going to be made/heard/decided,(IIRC) some would have been returned to the various state legislatures(some of whom, key swing states, had already ASKED for them back) The problem is...after the capitol was cleared and congresscritters re assembled...the number of house and senate "Objectors" doing it bailed on the process and voted to accept the elector slates as is. On voice vote/acclamation. "Mooting" the entire process, de facto, as well as in the courts.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: judy 3/1/2023 6:56:55 PM (No. 1415038)
The same people who selected Pence must have selected Barr, Wray, Mattis, Tillis……
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Reply 11 - Posted by: seamusm 3/1/2023 7:23:37 PM (No. 1415051)
This is not an endorsement of Pence. By how the H did Trump pick so damn many appointees who worked against him from day 1?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Hybernicus 3/1/2023 7:25:51 PM (No. 1415052)
I've never understood why Trump and Pence didn't hash this out well before J6. Trump seemed surprised that day. He should have known that morning what was going to unfold.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: earlybird 3/1/2023 7:53:29 PM (No. 1415065)
Re #12, how do we know they didn’t talk? How would we know what did or didn’t happen...
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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird 3/1/2023 7:55:08 PM (No. 1415067)
Further re #12, I imagine President Trump would have expected the VP to follow the law rather than deny it existed.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Geoman 3/1/2023 8:48:51 PM (No. 1415094)
FTA: "The reason that Mike Pence did not exercise the power to lawfully contest the election is because Mike Pence was never a Trump loyalist. He’s a GOP establishment loyalist." I guess its a quaint, out-of-date notion to expect our top government executives to be Constitution loyalists.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: MissMann 3/1/2023 11:09:10 PM (No. 1415182)
The question is: What has Trump learned for this and the many other personnel decisions that meant traitors were on the inside? There is no point electing him again if he is going to leave the administration for of traitor "resisters" in place.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: caljeepgirl 3/1/2023 11:37:55 PM (No. 1415201)
Thanks, OP. This all makes a lot of sense! I always thought Pence was a rather 'odd duck'....spectacularly virtuous and all that!
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Reply 18 - Posted by: earlybird 3/1/2023 11:41:21 PM (No. 1415203)
President Trump did not choose Pence. And Pence (or any other vice president ) is elected by the voters. T
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Reply 19 - Posted by: janjan 3/2/2023 6:10:20 AM (No. 1415296)
The government is controlled by the entrenched bureaucracy and big money interests and the players change very little from one Administration to the next. Individual politicians have very little influence.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Kitty Myers 3/2/2023 7:11:25 AM (No. 1415315)
#1 Did Soros contribute to Pence?
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Rinktum 3/2/2023 7:19:48 AM (No. 1415319)
Might I remind all of you who believe Trump should have picked better personnel, he was an outsider. He had to rely on help from others to recommend people for the massive amount of positions that were required to be filled. It was easy for the GOPe/RNC to slip in their people in positions and they did so wherever possible. If you recall, we the people elected Donald Trump without a whole lot of support from the RNC or the movers and shakers in the party. Truth be told, most of them did not want Trump and we’re overwhelmed when he connected with the people, but I don’t believe they ever thought he would win. Nevertheless, we now find out that Pence’s office was a treasure trove of anti-Trumpers actively working against the President. Who hired them? Right, Mike Pence. Also, Trump did hire good people. First of all, Mike Flynn was an excellent choice, but Mike Pence decided he had to go. Actually, I was shocked when Pence came out with the accusation against Flynn, but who is going to question the “ultra religious”, Pence? At the time I thought it was odd. Now, it makes perfect sense. The people ready and waiting to undermine President Trump had plenty of time to do their worst between November and his inauguration in January and they were quite busy. Pence has a lot to answer for and I hope and pray that his every single betrayal will come to light so he will be exposed for the liar, schemer, and traitorous hypocrite he is. By the way, if Pence would have honored the states who requested their electors be returned because of the anomalies they knew had affected the outcome of the election, there is a good chance the country would not be circling the drain right now. Pence hid behind a false narrative by contending he did not have the power to overturn an election. No one was asking him to do that. He was being asked to POSTPONE the certification in order that the states, who requested the extra time, could investigate the myriad of evidence that was coming out that proved there were serious problems with the validity of the count. Pence’s pious refusal on the grounds he did not have that power was an abject lie. He knew it and worst of all, every Republican who voted for those electors to be confirmed also knew it. Pence’s lack of courage and integrity gave us the worst President in modern history, maybe the worst President ever. When the country desperately needed men and women of integrity to step up, they did not. They were cowed by the democrats and insane media. That lack of courage mocks the sacrifice of every patriot from the American Revolution to this present day. Shame on them.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Kitty Myers 3/2/2023 7:26:27 AM (No. 1415320)
#21 Thank you for that EXCELLENT post!
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Adam 3/2/2023 7:38:09 AM (No. 1415325)
Trump’s statement might make sense to people who know nothing about our system of government. Congress, state legislatures, county and local governments all are constantly putting into law existing constitutional principles. So, no. That congress is working on a law to codify in statute what the constitution says (that the Vice President can’t “change the outcome” of the election) does not mean he did have the power to “change the outcome.” That’s just dumb. If there is an objection to a state’s slate from both houses of congress, the Veep sends it back to that state’s delegation. That’s exactly what Pence did. Here is another thing, I have heard for over two years, “no one is saying Pence should have changed the election’s outcome. Only that he not certify those state’s electors and make those state’s legislators fix it.” Yet here is Trump himself saying Pence had the power to “change the outcome.” (Oh sugar! What sort of stupidity am I dealing with here?!)
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Reply 24 - Posted by: EVRgreen4058 3/2/2023 7:47:46 AM (No. 1415333)
The DC swamp is VERY deep and Trump had barely scratched the surface. The "fix" was already in using the excuse of the pandemic to allow for mass cheating with ballots that could never be matched to registered voters. Unfortunately that worked so well we can expect it to continue and Republicans will never take several states. Liberals are quite crafty at manipulating language as they continue to rant about "democracy"? George Orwell's prophetic novels are in full swing. Take another read of "1984" and "Animal House."
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Reply 25 - Posted by: thethirdruffian 3/2/2023 7:54:27 AM (No. 1415342)
Pence has always given me the heebie jeebies. If I didn’t know who he was and someone showed me a picture and to guess what he wa, I’d say “furniture salesman.” Or that preacher you don’t leave alone with your boys.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: BaldGuy 3/2/2023 7:56:38 AM (No. 1415345)
#21...I always wondered what was the big hurry to certify the electors....I thought they had an extra month or so if there were challenges by the states??
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Reply 27 - Posted by: mean Gene 3/2/2023 8:07:54 AM (No. 1415356)
Pence is delusional if he thinks he has a national political future. I hope he gets the Liz Cheney treatment times two.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Speedypetey 3/2/2023 9:26:32 AM (No. 1415434)
And who recommended Sessions, then Barr, then Wray to private citizen ELECTED President Trump? And who led the absurdity theater of the China virus task force? All roads lead to career political elitist Pence and his fascist staffers.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: felixcat 3/2/2023 9:45:01 AM (No. 1415452)
I judge a person by their actions/deeds - not their words and not how many times they go to church. Pence's actions says it all. Sean Speicer is at CPAC this week and was on interviewed by local talk radio here in DC/MD/VA and he talked about DeSantis and why he wasn't at CPAC. Interesting and I won't try to paraphrase what Speicer said but go to the website and then the Larry O'Connor show podcast and hear for yourself what he said. The podcast usually posts later today or tomorrow. I will say that one thing Speicer mentioned was the importance of the R big money donors and DeSantis - that's what politics is all about these days: big money donors to both parties - not us We the People and what we want and is best for the country.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: Strike3 3/2/2023 9:53:09 AM (No. 1415467)
He has certainly earned the name, Judas Pence. A person is certainly entitled to his opinions and many people besides him had a less than stellar opinion of Donald Trump but why accept the position of Vice President if you did not support the man and his policies? We all thought that Pence should have protested an obviously stolen election but he kept his weasel mouth shut. The election process was illegal in at least six states so how is it not legal to protest it? It's because he did not want to stand up for what was right. Pence has paid the ultimate price of ending his political career but he also hurt Donald Trump and saddled us with Joe Biden. I have found one thing to be true in my varied experiences, when a person constantly cites their faith in God and uses it to justify their personal conduct, they are usually lying and they are usually not as good and above reproach as they would like you to believe. Pelosi and Biden are prime examples but there are many others who commit this blasphemy almost daily; devout Catholics they are not. Some of the most famous preachers and mega-church hucksters are guilty of this practice. Pence is a poseur and an evil man for undermining Trump. FMP MAGA
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Reply 31 - Posted by: stablemoney 3/2/2023 10:33:52 AM (No. 1415518)
Pence, hiding in the closet with wife and daughter during J6, afraid for his life. Is wife and daughter another office perk for DC employees, Mr. Pence? I would like to express by no appreciation for your not doing your job, and for all the Rino appointments you recommended to Trump, all of whom failed, and miserably. Apparently, they were just like you, Pence.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: faceincrowd 3/2/2023 10:40:18 AM (No. 1415527)
I want to know how it is always the Demoncrats infiltrating the Republicans and never, ever the other way round. Way too convenient in my opinion.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: uforabin 3/2/2023 10:57:39 AM (No. 1415553)
Mike Pence was put in charge of the administration’s Covid Task Force, but has never been held accountable for its utter failure. Why does his name never come up when we talk about the absurdities of mask mandates, mandatory Covid shots, school closings, etc.? He’s such a weasel.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: sherlock1 3/2/2023 11:24:44 AM (No. 1415588)
#24, you probably mean "Animal Farm", not "Animal House"!
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Reply 35 - Posted by: PrayerWarrior 3/2/2023 12:38:41 PM (No. 1415644)
I believe that it was only by the prayers of millions of Americans for President Trump that Pence and the Left did not get their wish of destroying President Trump. It is a miracle that that man is still standing today, alive, alert and undefeated. Prayer moves mountains! Thank you #21 for an excellent summary of what President Trump faced as an outsider in Washington D.C. He now has a graduate degree in a class in politics. We could call him Dr. Trump for what he has learned and knows now!
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Reply 36 - Posted by: cold porridge 3/2/2023 12:46:27 PM (No. 1415648)
Americans need to remember the emails released by Julian Assange during the few weeks before the election of 2016. The emails most important were between Paul Ryan and Mike Pence and they were plotting how to remove Donald Trump at the last minute and replace him with Mike Pence. Since that day I read the emails I never liked Mike Pence. It also causes me to believe the rumors of Mike Pence's involvement in child sex abuse. "Christian" my azz.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/2/2023 5:49:41 PM (No. 1415840)
Ever since I found evidence that Mike's wife, Karen, used to hook up Mike with the required horno babes to keep him smiling with, i.e., horny females that she was ok sharing him with, I never looked back and never had a moment of admiration for this immoral establishment clone who claims to be the one on the straighten and narrow. Don't kid yourselves folks. Mike is NOT as pure as the driven snow as he wants you to believe he is.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: earlybird 3/2/2023 6:40:01 PM (No. 1415872)
Re #21, great reply. I am just amazed that more of our Conservative members don’t know that… Re #37, that sort of allegation should really have a link to its source. Heavy stuff to put out there with no legit source.
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/2/2023 7:04:35 PM (No. 1415889)
#38, sorry to say, it was out there. But I don't see the link now. Go ahead and keep looking for yourself.
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Joe Biden will almost certainly not attend the coronation of King Charles III. The official reason is that he is making a trip to Ireland that simply can’t be canceled. The media have focused on two reasons he won’t be there: (1) Eisenhower didn’t attend so there’s no tradition for presidents to attend, and (2) Biden hates the British. I think there are two more likely reasons: (1) Charles III’s coronation is an event without cachet, and (2) it’s impossible for Biden to withstand the rigors of the long coronation ceremony and any pre- and post-ceremony events. Indeed, my money is on the last reason being the real reason.
Biden Lies AGAIN: ‘I Was A Student Up
North In the Civil Rights Movement’
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Posted by Hazymac 3/6/2023 6:19:57 AM Post Reply
Old Joe Biden swung by Selma, Ala., on Sunday to commemorate the 58th anniversary of “Bloody Sunday,” the March 7, 1965, civil rights march in Selma that state troopers attacked with tear gas and clubs, leading to serious injuries to seventeen marchers. As is his longstanding habit, Biden seized the opportunity to embroider on his life story in order to demonstrate that he was not only on the side of the good guys, but had been all along. “I was a student up north in the civil rights movement,” Biden informed his audience in Selma. “I remember feeling how guilty I was I wudden here.
Ohio residents ordered to stay inside
as another train derails
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Posted by Imright 3/5/2023 2:58:54 AM Post Reply
Ohio residents have been ordered to shelter in place Saturday after another Norfolk Southern train ran off the tracks. The 212-car train derailed at Ohio 41 near the Prime Ohio Business Park in Springfield around 5 p.m., the Clark County Emergency Management said. About 20 of the train’s box cars toppled off the tracks while it was traveling through the city. A spokesperson confirmed with The Post that Norfolk Southern — the same railway company involved in the tragic East Palestine derailment that contaminated 1.1 million gallons of water and 15,000 pounds of soil — was operating the derailed train.
The Pete Buttigieg 'Reclamation Project'
is Off to a Rocky Start
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Posted by Hazymac 3/5/2023 6:20:09 PM Post Reply
Is Pete Buttigieg salvageable? More than any other cabinet member in recent memory, Joe Biden’s transportation secretary has been outed as someone out of his depth and entirely clueless when it comes to the weighty responsibilities of his office. “He’s not ready for the responsibility he has. He was a fine mayor, from what I understand, but the position he’s got really would be better served by a person who’s managed a large enterprise, a state, or something of the scale he’s now dealing with,” said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). How has Pete Buttigieg fulfilled Romney’s characterization of him? Let us count the ways: A major-league clusterfark of the supply chain
Sununu: If the Election Were Held Today,
‘Ron DeSantis Would Win in New Hampshire’
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Posted by Imright 3/5/2023 1:09:15 PM Post Reply
Governor Chris Sununu (R-NH) said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that if the 2024 presidential election were held today, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) would win his state. Anchor Chuck Todd said, “The RNC chair, Ronna McDaniel wants to have nominees sign a pledge if you are the to participate in an RNCm sanctioned event. Are you comfortable signing that pledge if Donald Trump is involved?” Sununu said, “I’m a lifelong Republican. I’m going to support the Republican nominee. When you look at what’s coming out of the White House, it isn’t Democrat policies. It’s real left-wing extreme agenda type stuff that is not in the best interest of this country,
Ivy League University Ditches Standardized
Testing, Will Judge an Applicant's 'Background'
and 'Voice'
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Posted by Imright 3/5/2023 10:49:27 AM Post Reply
If you’ve lost sleep over whether you’ll get into Columbia University due to your test scores, rest easy — those no longer matter. Online Wednesday, the school made a major announcement: It’s permanently dropping standardized testing requirements for undergraduates. Congradu-lations. People are complex; a single factor can’t define them: The holistic and contextual application review process for Columbia College and The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science is rooted in the belief that students are dynamic, multi-faceted individuals
Now convicted felons can vote in Minnesota:
New law allows over 55,000 former inmates
the right to cast ballot after finishing
jail time
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Posted by Imright 3/5/2023 3:59:50 PM Post Reply
Formerly incarcerated felons in Minnesota will now be able to vote after a new law restoring their rights was signed by the state's governor. Minnesota Governor Tim Walz signed a bill on Friday which gives convicted felons who have completed their jail time the right to vote. Now, 55,000 individuals who were previously deprived of those rights can register to vote, the most significant expansion of that right in Minnesota in a half-century, according to the governor's office.
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