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Justice Kagan suggests gender-neutral
college admissions could give unfair advantage
to ‘white men’

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Posted By: mc squared, 11/1/2022 11:34:47 AM

Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan suggested that gender-neutral admission processes could give “white men” an advantage over people who have been “kicked in the teeth” during an oral argument Monday on a pair of lawsuits deciding whether affirmative action within Harvard University and the University of North Carolina (UNC) is constitutional. During the oral argument for Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard, Kagan suggested to Patrick Strawbridge, who is representing Students for Fair Admissions, that higher education institutions that use gender-neutral policies lead to unequal outcomes for men at universities. Kagan noted that “white men” could get a “thumb on the scale” in university admissions if educational


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To quote a once funny comedy show: 'Kagan, you ignorant justice'. Women have outnumbered men in higher ed for many years. 'Women are outnumbering men at a record high in universities worldwide'

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Reply 1 - Posted by: udanja99 11/1/2022 11:38:01 AM (No. 1320872)
What’s her problem with white men? She tries awfully hard to look like one. Did she benefit from a “thumb on the scale” as a SCOTUS nominee because she’s a lesbian?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 11/1/2022 11:38:46 AM (No. 1320875)
In a merit-based system, it is more likely that the elite universities will be full of Asians. That's why they call UCLA the "University of California, Lotsa Asians."
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Reply 3 - Posted by: formerNYer 11/1/2022 11:45:26 AM (No. 1320880)
What a dope!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jasonB 11/1/2022 11:50:34 AM (No. 1320886)
When you owe your entire career *cough* *cough* *Kagen*, you just MIGHT love affirmative (racist) action.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Mcscow sailor 11/1/2022 11:54:05 AM (No. 1320892)
We are a land of equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. It should be obvious that both cannot exist side by side. In a land of equal outcomes, our professional sport teams, and our jailed populations, would certainly take on different hues and genders
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Reply 6 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 11/1/2022 11:55:31 AM (No. 1320893)
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Roscoelewis 11/1/2022 11:57:19 AM (No. 1320897)
How about simply using entrance exam scores with unknown genders or race.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: wilarrbie 11/1/2022 11:58:28 AM (No. 1320899)
This is only true if stupid white men are admitted over smarter W/POC. Is that the case, or is she just pulling this little bon mot out of her ... um, .. hat?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Calico Al 11/1/2022 12:26:34 PM (No. 1320934)
I wonder if that applies for Basketball scholarships.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: faceincrowd 11/1/2022 12:32:13 PM (No. 1320947)
Why? Are you obliquely saying that white men are smarter than everyone else?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: red1066 11/1/2022 12:34:18 PM (No. 1320951)
Another high position of power where the lack of intelligence isn't an issue. White men were the majority in college when going to college meant learning a skill such as medicine, engineering, law and such. Now it's nothing but a money-making scam for the colleges themselves that teach nothing of value that result in people getting degrees that can't be used in the outside world.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: LadyVet 11/1/2022 12:34:21 PM (No. 1320952)
So Elena thinks men have not been "kicked in the teeth"? There are some indications that men might deserve some preference in admissions. Like the 407,000 dead American men from WW2. Like the 57,000 dead American men from the Vietnam war. Why does she think that 22 veterans commit suicide every day? I would point out to the token lesbian justice that all those dead men are not all white. There were plenty of (too many) black men killed, especially in Vietnam. Are there any women registered by the Selective Service?? As a woman, and a veteran, it is embarrassing to me that priviledged elitist women like Justice Elena Kagan and Justice Sotomayor cannot acknowledge the sacrifice that American men have made for this country. While they were growing up in the 60's and 70's, I can bet that they did not spend one minute worrying their girlie heads that they would be drafted and sent to some strange land to die. They were protected and coddled and could concentrate their worry-free minds on getting into the Ivy Leagues. This coming Veteran's Day, they should spend some time reflecting that they are not under a row of identical white tombstones with tiny American flags.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ms1234 11/1/2022 12:34:34 PM (No. 1320953)
When she said "gender-neutral college admissions could give unfair advantage to ‘white men’" Does she mean all white men are gender neutral? Can she define what a "Man" is? One of her colleagues can't define "woman" so by de-facto, they shouldn't be able to define "Men" either.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: mobyclik 11/1/2022 12:35:20 PM (No. 1320955)
I'm so sick of hearing about RACISSSSM from these hate-filled democrats. Don't they realize how 1960's they sound? Work/study your butt off and you'll climb some ladders.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Hazymac 11/1/2022 12:39:18 PM (No. 1320961)
Does she mean white men who look like Barney Rubble? When Kagan was nominated for the SCOTUS seat by Obama, a mother, watching the news of the nomination with her six-year-old son, was floored by his question: "Mommy, why is that man wearing earrings?"
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Reply 16 - Posted by: cor-vet 11/1/2022 12:42:07 PM (No. 1320968)
She forgot to mention that it was also a "threat to democracy." S/O
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Reply 17 - Posted by: jasmine 11/1/2022 12:51:19 PM (No. 1320992)
Good heavens. Asians have decades of experience with what it feels like to be “kicked in the teeth.” Imagine you made every sacrifice to excel academically, and yet others, known as “underrepresented minorities” (AKA non-Asian racial minorities) will be admitted without your well earned scores. Your kick in the teeth comes in the form of an undeserved rejection letter. But you will hurt no less than anyone else, because you know have been singled out and mistreated by a rigged system. For years, Asian students have been expected to settle for less in the name of EQUITY and INCLUSION. Racial discrimination is unfair to everyone, and needs to be ended because it is WRONG.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: wilarrbie 11/1/2022 12:55:11 PM (No. 1321001)
#12, When I am done saluting you, I shall resume applauding you. Thank you - for your service, for your powerful statement. Whew!
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Reply 19 - Posted by: JackBurton 11/1/2022 12:58:48 PM (No. 1321009)
58% of the enrollees in college now are women. Sounds like a Title IX infraction, wot?
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 11/1/2022 1:27:30 PM (No. 1321045)
College admissions should NOT consider race or sex at all. ZERO influence. Let the best qualified in, and keep out the least qualified. Let the chips fall where they may.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: MSUDoc 11/1/2022 2:00:06 PM (No. 1321086)
Misandry and bigotry of the Democrats seeps into the SCOTUS. Does this moron know anything about the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment? “Equity” is a deeply evil idea that promotes racial hatred and discrimination. You cannot ensure equal outcomes without hurting innocent people.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: MSUDoc 11/1/2022 2:09:48 PM (No. 1321100)
*from the Democrats
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Reply 23 - Posted by: paral04 11/1/2022 2:30:01 PM (No. 1321110)
Don't we want the Smartest people attending Universities?
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Enoch Powell 11/1/2022 2:41:43 PM (No. 1321121)
I don't see how Harvard can get more Asians on campus then are already there. They are EVERYWHERE... and Chinese nationals too (unless they're Chinese Americans who've just decided they prefer speaking their native tongue). I walk through Harvard Yard and environs at least twice a day. My anecdotal observations are that, at least walking around Harvard, they are in a distinct majority.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Jebediah 11/1/2022 2:55:12 PM (No. 1321133)
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Reply 26 - Posted by: govlawyer 11/1/2022 2:56:05 PM (No. 1321136)
If you want truly color blind admissions, you score qualifications disregarding "accidents of birth" like race or sex, find all who qualify and give them numbers so they are anonymous, put each number in a capsule and put the capsules in a giant drum that rotates. If you have 1000 seats open for the next academic year, you pick out the first 1000 capsules and you now have a randomly chosen class of qualified members of the freshman class. I suspect that is not what the institutions of higher learning want, no matter how they tell us otherwise.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All 11/1/2022 2:59:12 PM (No. 1321141)
So she is implying that men are better than women and will be selected in higher numbers of sex is not considered? That's how I read it.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: TJ54 11/1/2022 2:59:29 PM (No. 1321142)
LOL - I believe women now outnumber the men in going to college.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: rockeysroomie 11/1/2022 3:24:03 PM (No. 1321158)
#2: Also the "gutty little Bruins".
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Reply 30 - Posted by: mc squared 11/1/2022 3:41:48 PM (No. 1321166)
I salute poster #12. The best post today, if not longer. Thanks.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: moebellini3 11/1/2022 4:55:47 PM (No. 1321220)
This moron is a complete embarrassment to the supreme court. Is every democrat lacking the mental capacity to function as an adult. Is there a democrat in office that is qualified for the position they fill. Didn't think so..Everybody is worried about the white guy while everybody else is destroying our country. Crime, the border, hate crimes, is that the white guy. Don't think so...
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Reply 32 - Posted by: RWPollock 11/1/2022 5:39:34 PM (No. 1321249)
….And that would not be a bad thing!
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Reply 33 - Posted by: DVC 11/1/2022 5:58:06 PM (No. 1321257)
Acknowledging that white men are the most likely to have the highest merit. The main thing that has made the USA successful has been our meritocracy. We USED TO let the most capable do a job. And if that means that mostly white men get the top spots......too darned bad. If you want to compete....compete on MERIT. Don't beg for or insist on less skilled, less capable folks doing important jobs.....BADLY, or at least less well than they would have been done by those with the highest skill set.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: Penney 11/2/2022 12:21:40 AM (No. 1321474)
"OH, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." America is THE land of opportunity, land of the free and the brave! Using the Constitution and Bill of Rights our ship of state has faced challenges yet has managed to stay on freedoms' course. Equality of every human being has been affirmed by American history, the Rule of Law and by God in Scripture. When will the naysayers EVER accept the facts and truth? ...Move on!
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Reply 35 - Posted by: mifla 11/2/2022 7:43:46 AM (No. 1321626)
Hey Elena, show me your draft card.
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