Why we need a clinical trial of
hydroxycholoroquine, azithromycin,
and zinc ASAP
American Thinker,
by
Rob Williamson
Original Article
Posted By: Senex,
5/18/2020 10:50:19 AM
A preliminary study done by New York's Grossman School of Medicine reports on the use of HCQ+AZT+Zinc versus HCQ+AZT alone in four New York Hospitals has issued its report. Here's the key finding of the abstract.(Snip) This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.
Intro corrected. When editing text, please use (Snip), not ellipses.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
KTWO 5/18/2020 11:20:10 AM (No. 414665)
I previously noticed that the zinc part of the treatment wasn't mentioned in some so-called 'objective' reviews of CQ results.
And I figured that was not accidental; so many experts seemed determined to dismiss CQ.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
curious1 5/18/2020 11:23:15 AM (No. 414671)
https://clinicaltrials.gov shows seven trials with two recruiting and five not yet recruiting to test HCQ with Zn, along with other drugs or vitamins (D, C). The one at Roslyn (working with Dr. Zelenko) shows as recruiting, though it's on-going. ProgenaBiome in California has two of them and looks to be trying some interesting approaches.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Historybuff 5/18/2020 11:37:16 AM (No. 414693)
In New York, Killer Cuomo has deemed it only to be used when you are admitted to the hospital. Bu then it's too late. It should be administered if/when you are diagnosed. That keeps you out of the hospital.
Over all hydrxy is like Nuclear power. It works in France, but we can't have it here.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
farmwife 5/18/2020 11:37:25 AM (No. 414694)
It is infuriating that these treatments are pooh poohed and even outlawed because Donald Trump said they might be helpful. That is your 'science' at work.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
TXknitter 5/18/2020 12:23:54 PM (No. 414761)
Z pack and hydrochloroquine successfully administered as standard Covid treatment in France. It is discussed over there as the (duh!) recommendation that often gets both effective and FAST results. It is easily verified watching French news channels. A neighbor is French and is listening online constantly. She said last week they openly discuss how American patients being denied of helpful treatment because of DEMOCRAT politics. I just thought this would add a little more perspective.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
DVC 5/18/2020 1:01:06 PM (No. 414788)
Zinc seems to be of questionable use, but almost certainly at least harmless. Many docs did not use it and get great results. Personally, I am skeptical of the zinc portion, but would not object if a doc wanted to try it on me, or leave it out.
Seems to be pretty solid evidence that chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, or other antibiotics are very effective against this. One group of docs also recommends a steroid (I forget the particular one) as an alternative to chloroquine - either will suppress the cytokine storm, it seems.
So many let their TDS just blank out any rational thought that they might ever have had.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
jlw509 5/18/2020 1:33:40 PM (No. 414836)
HYROXYCHLOROQUINE
63 cents per pill
generic
11 U.S. manufacturers
AZITHROMYCIN
84 cents per pill
generic
12 U.S. Manufacturers
VACCINE
$1000.00 per per pill
on patent
1 U.S. Manufacturer (Gilead)
There's your answer. If you let them get away with it.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
jlw509 5/18/2020 1:45:31 PM (No. 414848)
About Zinc: it's water-soluble, and the body can't store it. You only need a tiny bit, and it's plentiful in meat and shellfish, so carnivores are rarely deficient. The body can use the HCQ to maximize the effectiveness of the Zn you've already got.
But still, Dr. Zev's protocol is the one to use, *with* Zn, since supplementation is very cheap and easy to do, and some people, notably elder males, may be Zn deficient. However, I understand that the HCQ will usually work anyway, as long as the patient is not actually Zn deficient.
By the way, the richest food source by far for Zinc, is oysters. Get a can of smoked oysters and eat, like, *one* per day mashed on some toast with butter or mayonnaise. Very cheap, tasty, natural, absorbable, and plenty.
For a natural substitute of HCQ --- in its capacity as an ionophore which transports the Zinc into the cell--- green tea is great.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
bpl40 5/18/2020 1:48:04 PM (No. 414853)
Did Admiral Farragut conduct a field trial? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
EQKimball 5/18/2020 2:23:31 PM (No. 414885)
There is one reputed germaphobe in America who never wears a mask. He seems to be totally unphased by the risk. Do I think he may be taking something that is politically incorrect. Maybe. Just sayin’.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
DVC 5/18/2020 2:39:34 PM (No. 414909)
#7, first, the vaccine is not "a pill".
Second, a vaccine normally gives long, even lifetime immunity, and PREVENTS the disease. The drugs are treatments. Yes, most will probably not get seriously ill, but something like 20% will get very sick, and require hospitalization for those pills to work.
Personally, I'll take the vaccination. I have taken dozens and dozens of other vaccinations, polio, smallpox, mumps, shingles, diptheria, tetanus, typhus, yellow fever, hepatitis A and B, pneumonia and a dozen different strains of influenza. I probably missed some. Vaccines, IMO, are probably the single greatest human medical advancement ever.
I shake my head at the luddites who oppose them, or imagine that the scientists and lab workers who invent them should work for nothing. I doubt that the naysayers would do their job for years for no pay.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
mathman 5/18/2020 2:42:16 PM (No. 414912)
Nope. No field test. No money for big Pharma.
Fauci's cure is $1400 a pop.
Forget it. Money talks.
Besides, Trump said it was good. We can't have thst.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
jlw509 5/18/2020 2:47:56 PM (No. 414920)
One more note on Zinc.
Zinc deficiency is not widespread in the US, since most people eat meat and/or shellfish, which are the richest dietary sources for Zinc. at the same time, it's interesting to look at the groups that ARE most likely to gave Zn deficiency: the elderly esp. males, black Americans, diabetics, those with cancer, those with low hemoglobin levels, and people who have had bariatric surgery, e.g. gastric bypass.
It happens that these are some of the very people most likely to have bad outcomes from COVID-19.
So overall I would say, yes, the Dr. Zev Cocktail is the ticket --- that's HCQ +Zn+Z-pack--- and if you have these risk factors or you can influence the diet of people with these risk factors, by all means get the Zinc. It could help them fight off infection, shorten their symptoms and even save their lives.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Catherine 5/18/2020 3:09:46 PM (No. 414938)
# 11 - There are those of us who have seen, first hand, what an MMR can do to a perfectly healthy one year old. And immunizations don't work on everyone, both my boys got measles after having had the shots. Now as for antibiotics and corona, I'm on a daily maintenance antibiotic because MRSA will not stay gone. A regular 10 day course clears it up but a few weeks/months later it returns. In early March I got a virus. Felt bad, achy, dry cough and many other symptoms of corona. It didn't dawn on me that's what it might be until I was well and reading symptoms described by people who had it. Then the light bulb went off. I'm in my 70's, age group dying from this, but I didn't. I'm taking doxycycline Hyclate. Don't know what it's a derivative of but I'm pretty sure this is why I did okay and I'm fine now.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Geoman 5/18/2020 3:39:59 PM (No. 414960)
In recent years oral vaccines for multiple maladies, such as rotavirus, typhoid, cholera, and a few other viruses and bacteria have been developed, tested, produced, and used successfully. The tablets are enteric-coated to protect the active ingredients from stomach acid degradation, with absorption occurring in the small intestine. The initial advantage of oral forms of vaccines is that they do not require the user to arrange for a more costly injection on the provider's schedule but other benefits have been noted, such as longer duration (five years for typhoid pills vs two years for injection) and greater systemic vs local effect. As a young military brat living on a base overseas in the early '60s, I was administered Sabin's live polio vaccine drops on a sugar cube.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Zarin 5/18/2020 5:38:02 PM (No. 415051)
So this was a only a 'study' - a retrospective look at a certain # of cases that have been treated in a particular way. In part of the cases the MD's used HCQ & an antibiotic while the other set being compared used HCQ, ZINC & an antibiotic. I think I wrote this correctly:
Discharged home - Zinc, 317 (77.1%) No Zinc 356 (68.3%)
Needed ICU - Zinc: 38 (9.2%) No Zinc 82 (15.7%)
Needed Invasive Ventilation - Zinc 33 (8.0%) No Zinc 86 (16.5%)
Expired/Hospice Zinc 54 (13.1%) No Zinc 119 (22.8%)
Expired/Hospice (Patients needing ICU) Zinc 28 (73.6%) No Zinc 61 (74.4)
Expired/Hospice (Non-ICU Patients) Zinc 26 (6.9%), No Zinc 58 (13.2%)
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