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Posted By: Pluperfect, 12/11/2019 4:49:41 AM

The Pentagon on Tuesday suspended all training of Saudi military officers training in the U.S. as it launched a wide-ranging review Tuesday evening in the wake of a deadly shooting over the weekend at a base in Pensacola, Florida that claimed the lives of three U.S. sailors. All operational training of Saudi nationals who are in programs at U.S. military facilities will be halted immediately, and the review will limit their training to classroom-based only, said a top Pentagon official on a Tuesday evening call with reporters. The FBI identified the shooter as 21-year-old Mohammed Alshamrani, 21, a 2nd lieutenant in the Royal Saudi Air Force

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Strike3 12/11/2019 5:58:37 AM (No. 258619)
That's exactly what needed to happen. Donald Trump is definitely the man for the job. Obama would have apologized to the Saudi king for shooting the deranged jihadi.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: MMC 12/11/2019 6:06:23 AM (No. 258625)
I will go one further#1, Obama would have apologized for the military base protecting US citizens, and would have bowed to the Saudi prince or king or sheik ..
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Mekkkk 12/11/2019 6:13:35 AM (No. 258630)
Well done!
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sunhan65 12/11/2019 6:16:40 AM (No. 258633)
How about this? Let's deport all Saudi nationals. Let's explain, patiently but firmly, that while we understand some Saudis may be okay, too many of them have blown up our buildings and killed our citizens. Tell them we're tired of rolling the dice on their good behavior, and they are no longer welcome in our country If there were no Saudi nationals, the World Trade Center would still be standing, and thousands of Americans would still be alive. I prefer that option. And, frankly, I haven't noticed much benefit to having a bunch of semi-civilized, half-crazed escapees from a backwards medieval theocracy running around our country. But maybe that's just me.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: George R. 12/11/2019 6:22:29 AM (No. 258636)
Incirlik Airbase in Adana, Turkey is a great place to train pilots. it is already used by US, Turkey, UK and Saudi Airforces. There is no need to further imperil Americans.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: unionriverman2316 12/11/2019 6:27:27 AM (No. 258640)
Re #4, You are correct on all counts. The Saudi Royal family, despised by many of their own citizens (freedom is a stranger in that place) are NOT our friends. They are on our side so to speak, as we have military presence there. But in the long run whatever they do benefits them....first. I remember the Arab Oil embargo of 1973. The led the OPEC machinations to put the screws to America and other places. You don't have to look hard to find Muslim "imports" creating havoc in America. There are a few in the halls of government. We owe them NOTHING!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Sergeant Major 12/11/2019 6:48:14 AM (No. 258648)
It was my understanding that the shooting took place in a classroom. Here is a screenshot from the article: "the review will limit their training to classroom-based only".... What in the world is going on in the minds of our "betters"? The m uslim didn't shoot anyone from a plane he did it in a classroom.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Bur Oak 12/11/2019 7:31:32 AM (No. 258684)
Saudis can be trained in Saudi Arabia by contract instructors.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: F15 Gork 12/11/2019 7:59:57 AM (No. 258702)
If they can’t whistle Dixie and eat pork barbecue, get em out of here!
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JackBurton 12/11/2019 8:39:39 AM (No. 258743)
I would go one further. We know 'gun free zones' means 'killers welcome: No protection for victims here', so what about having the equivalent of concealed carry for our servicemen? If you're not going to let everyone who is there to protect us have a gun, at least vet and approve gun carry for SOME of our troops. ESPECIALLY if you are going to have foreign 'guests' who come from countries with hostile philosophies of religion/government, etc. I know this pretty much only applies to Muslims but, hey, the shoe fits.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Paperpuncher 12/11/2019 8:42:21 AM (No. 258747)
Maybe it is just me but, what is the Navy doing training Saudi pilots. Last I knew the Saudi's have no aircraft carriers and probably do not fly F18s or F14s.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: gone2pot 12/11/2019 8:53:37 AM (No. 258763)
Well, it's unfair just because "somebody did something" at flight school. The religion of peacenik probably landed gear up because "Allah willed it" and instead of the instructor and training department guys saying, "Oh, well hell, if Allah willed you to land gear up Mohammed, you just grab another airplane and let's go flying," they gave him a down or attrited him instead. To the new heads o'rags mind, completely justifiable and I'm sure the State department PhD's are telling Crystal City to get back to that wonderful diversity that makes us so strong. I just LOVED this PC quote; “one incident suggested that there could be a particular improvement with that population.” Ya freaking think? If the NATRACOM CO said it, he'll be forced to apologize in 3,2,1... If The Big Impeached He's wife were president, he'd be fired.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: cor-vet 12/11/2019 8:55:28 AM (No. 258767)
Why can't already trained Saudi pilots train their own in Saudi Arabia? If our pilots can train our pilots, theirs can train their pilots.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: hammondb3 12/11/2019 9:26:35 AM (No. 258799)
We have to grow a pair and be willing to profoundly inconvenience the lives of those who do NOT commit acts of terror, but who, by their silence, give tacit approval. If the non-violent Muslims lives are impacted severely enough then they might actually start to do something about the problem that they now encourage, silently, by being an appreciative audience to violence. Fighting fair with someone who does NOT fight fair gets you killed every time. We can no longer fight fair.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Strike3 12/11/2019 9:34:06 AM (No. 258811)
I could not find information regarding which weapons systems that pilots were being trained on in Pensacola but the Navy currently has 300 Saudi pilots in training, 140 of them at Pensacola. The Air Force provides them training in all F-15 weapons systems. Thank God we have refused to sell the Saudis the F-35 but they are buying China's stealth fighter.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: oldmagnolia 12/11/2019 9:49:10 AM (No. 258842)
Only the Saudis? How about all foreign nationals.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: udanja99 12/11/2019 10:01:14 AM (No. 258873)
I’ll go posters above one further - we need to deport ALL foreign born Muslims living in the US, no matter where they came from. Start with Ilhan Omar.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: gone2pot 12/11/2019 10:10:54 AM (No. 258892)
15, pilots learn how to kill people and break things at the RAG (Replacement Air Group) and as nuggets in their first squadron. P-Cola training is teaching pilots not kill themselves or break the aircraft in the sky after ground school. There's really no weapons training before you get your wings, since the aircraft are all trainers and not the tactical aircraft they'll learn to fly and do stuff with in the RAG and then squadron. Some heads of rags go to a RAG and might even stay on to go to a squadron in a "foreign exchange" program before going back to Durka-Durka Land. At least that's how it was when I went through in 1980.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Firebase 12/11/2019 10:11:45 AM (No. 258894)
Great point #11. Has anyone considered the possibility the Saudis train their kids to hate Americans and Jews as they are raised, as we have seen in other muslim countries? The hatred for all things US runs deep from that country. Perhaps even though Saudi is in conflict with Iran, the Shiites, they hate them less than they do Americans.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 12/11/2019 10:31:35 AM (No. 258923)
This should have been done after September 11, 2001. Saudis should not be permitted to enter our country for military or flight training. Getting it in their own country would be dangerous enough..... mixing technology with ingrained seventh-century savagery.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: lana720 12/11/2019 10:34:19 AM (No. 258928)
Suspend? SUSPEND? Get them OUT of our country! It always bothered me to see a soldier’s uniform other than a USARMY one on base.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: bamboozle 12/11/2019 10:51:59 AM (No. 258942)
Poster 15, if the Saudi students were not already pilots, I would expect that their training would be: ground school, initial training in a small aircraft like a Cessna, training in the T6-A Texan, and finally training in something like the T-38. That used to be the sequence, at least in the Air Force. After that training is completed, the student then trains in a specific aircraft.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/11/2019 11:09:38 AM (No. 258963)
Has anyone noticed that the USA does all the flying and fighting in the ME --- so why are we training Saudi pilots?
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Reply 24 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2019 11:10:36 AM (No. 258967)
we work with the Saudis on the basis of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". The Saudis hate and fear the Persians VERY much, and are a good counterweight in that area to that evil regime. And years ago, and perhaps again some day, we needed buy petroleum from them. So, it was useful to not have them as enemies. But it is stupid to really call them friends or allies. IMO, NO Muslim country can ever actually be a friend of the USA. Perhaps an ally of convenience for a time, but we need to be careful and understand that while we might agree with their leadership on certain goals, this does NOT make the country and the citizens "our friends". Muslims can never be fully trusted. Train them in Saudi Arabia or, as suggested, in Turkey, although Turkey is a questionable "ally" at this point, too. Again, because they are Muslims and Erdogan is a budding jihadi supporter.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: F16 guy 12/11/2019 11:15:08 AM (No. 258975)
Why do we still have Chinese spy' mean....workers, still working in TOP SECRET installations in the country? Why do we have overt Muslims in Congress? Why does 96% of the population have to tolerate the GAY agenda thrown at us every day in TV, movies, commercials? Why do we still tolerate Common Core in schools? Why do judges enact the "catch and release" of criminals (esp in New Mexico)? Need I go on? We have easy solutions to these issues. Time to drain the swamp and elect people who care about Americans.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: mc squared 12/11/2019 11:30:57 AM (No. 259000)
Foreign jihadists (I know, mostly peaceful) can't do as much damage flying an F-Something into a skyscraper as a 747 can they?
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Reply 27 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2019 12:36:38 PM (No. 259082)
#26, they wouldn't be flying anything with an "F" designation at P-cola, only aircraft with a "T" designation - trainers. Used to be T-34s and T-28s, currently T-6s (turboprops) and T-45s (jets). And your point is well taken, when an aircraft is used as a missile, once again, size counts. Most important would be how much fuel is carried. Since the trainers carry perhaps a couple thousand pounds of fuel or less, compared to the Boeing 767 long range version, such as were used against the WTC carries around 80 times that much fuel, around 160,000 lbs. That mass at high speed and the fuel energy in it is what does the damage. Compare a 14,000 lb jet to a 400,000 lb jet....that is the difference. And 747s, although getting more rare, would go up to approaching 900,000 lbs in max takeoff weight, IIRC.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: BruceInWorcester 12/11/2019 5:51:30 PM (No. 259347)
#10, it is hard to imagine that a base the size of NAS Jacksonville (and adjacent harbor of Mayport) does not have a sizeable group of Navy masters at arms or Marine MPs. So where were they? Why did civilian law enforcement have to shoot this guy, almost an hour after the shooting started? Those guys are already vetted, trained in law enforcement, rifle and pistol marksmanship, etc. Someone screwed up.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2019 6:32:17 PM (No. 259382)
Send them all home. NO MORE MUSLIMS in the USA.
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