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The Fool in the Vatican

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Posted By: tisHimself, 9/12/2019 5:38:57 AM

I never thought I would refer to a Pope as a fool, but it has come to that. If in so doing my fellow Catholics condemn me as somehow blaspheming against the Mother Church or God, so be it. But after reading Francis X. Rocca's article in the September 11 edition of the Wall Street Journal, which has the pontiff saying that it would be "an honor that [conservative Catholic] Americans attack me," for not standing up for traditional Catholic teachings on marriage, sexuality and bioethics, while instead opining on climate change and migration, I can't hold my tongue.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: George R. 9/12/2019 6:16:12 AM (No. 177684)
Almost correct... The headline should read: The Evil in the Vatican. Then again after John 23 changed the rules, thru Vatican II, allowing the influx of Homosexuals, what could one expect? Which Pope proves to be the greater evil? John or Francis?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: M2 9/12/2019 7:02:24 AM (No. 177711)
I wonder if the pope really believes he is infallible.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: F15 Gork 9/12/2019 7:17:26 AM (No. 177720)
Never trust any man who wears a dress....
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Reply 4 - Posted by: LaVallette 9/12/2019 7:22:10 AM (No. 177724)
This Pope is placing mercy and compassion above the absolutism and the intransigence of THE LAW. The Gospels are full of narrative about Christ condemning the absolutism of the law above compassion and mercy and its hypocrisy and corruption that often accompanies it, while condemning those who did so at the time, such as the as Pharisees, as hypocrites and painted tombs nice on the outside but hiding the corruption within. Note Matthew Chapter 23, in particular. Yet he is doing all of this WITHIN church law. Take for example the issue of marriage, divorce and the right to return to the sacraments; 1) TRADITIONALLY : Civilly Divorced people can already receive the sacraments NOW: so long as they are not remarried. The Church has also traditionally condoned Civil divorce when the separation of a married couple is inevitable for all sorts of reasons and matters of property and more specifically arrangement for the care of any children need to be made. 2) TRADITIONALLY the Church has also had a procedure for establishing that marriages within the Catholic Church have for a number of reasons been Null and Void from the start, one of them being that, despite apparent maturity of age, a fully informed and fully conscious of the responsibility involved in the marriage contract being entered into is absent at the time. It even has its own courts to determine these involving all sorts of legalisms, more inclined to reject than approve, involving length of time and in some cases significant expense before a decision to grant or refuse a decree of nullity: the emotional physical and other costs to the plaintiff were of secondary importance, and because only the cases of the rich and famous received publicity in the general media there was the perception that the system favored them, over the ordinary layman. 3) The Pope has and is nowhere talking about the Church approving divorce for the usual pedestrians reasons advanced in the civil word. But conscious of the modern world that we live in, and in particular to almost complete break down of Evangelization of the young following Vatican 2, it is becoming increasingly apparent that large numbers of people are entering marriage without a proper and full understanding of the responsibility and duties of the marriage contract, particualry the "for life" aspect, when in the world around them 50+ of all marriages break down and all matters are simply resolved by going to the divorce court.. For these couples to merely go off to the Civil divorce court and get a divorce decree is not sufficient on its own to allow them to under Church Doctrine to licitly remarry and be allowed to receive the sacrament. The Pope however, is of the view that most of these cases would prima facie meet the criteria for a Church decree of Nullity, which once granted would enable them to remarry and receive the sacraments despite the existence of a civil Divorce. He therefore goes further and holds that the Church would be grossly remiss in its duty to God's' people to forbid or delaying these people, who Prima Facie appear to be eligible for a decree of nullity, and then to regularize their new marriage and return to the sacraments, by all the lengthy and demanding procedures and delays and other problems associated with getting such a decree. 4) Thus still within the traditional constraints of church Law, concern issues of NULLITY and not divorce for any reason, his proposals are that the matter of considering the matter of nullity should be made available far more widely, and the jurisdiction be made far more widely available, down to local Bishops and even local parish priests, who are far more likely to be cognizant of the conditions and affairs of the plaintiffs seeking the decree of nullity, than distant officers of the Church and canon lawyers with their ponderous procedures. The return of these people to the sacraments would be much more speedily facilitated. 5) However this still leaves the problem of the large numbers who have been married in the church, have been civility divorced and remarried and had children and have been in those marriages successfully for long period of time, and who do not qualify for a decree of nullity. In many cases the spouses were in fact the "wronged party" (cases of significant physical abuse in the initial divorce), but are still caught by the Church constraints against remarriage and access to the sacraments. The Pope is very concerned about these cases and where the balance between God mercy and the quasi excommunication for life circumstances these people find themselves in. Some legalists have suggested that in such cases the only path available is for such married couples to stop being man and wife and separate or live a celibate life as brother and sister. The question is how can we justify such a severe legal resolution or the cutting off of a number of Children of God from the sacraments and where does the mercy and compassion of God fit in. Who triumphs taking ALL individual circumstances into account: The Absolutism of the law or God's mercy and compassion. Is it the unbending traditionalist or the Pope of Mercy.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: George R. 9/12/2019 7:48:26 AM (No. 177753)
#4, Evidently you're all for the rape of little boys, since you've conveniently left that out of your screed. How anyone can support this Evil is beyond me! Francis should die and go straight to hell....the sooner the better, before he does so much more damage.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: tootall 9/12/2019 7:56:31 AM (No. 177760)
Great comment #5. We should not forget promoting slavery through 'open border' policies, especially in the US. But its a win-win for the Catholic church. They get $$$ to resettle and support this human trafficking, and theoretically the pews will be filled again with a new flock of compliant sheep. I was considering 'coming home', but there's no chance of that now. I have my own relationship with God! And he's pleased!
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Hermit_Crab 9/12/2019 8:51:12 AM (No. 177818)
He's no fool. He is destroying the Catholic Church just like he planned to do.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: hammondb3 9/12/2019 8:57:39 AM (No. 177827)
Never a good idea to deify a man, or to lift him up above the status of just another stupid sheep. Jesus spoke of people as being 'sheep' for a good reason. They are stupid and they lose their way in a heart beat. The Pope is just a sheep in a pointy hat when you boil it all down.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Yuban 9/12/2019 9:03:47 AM (No. 177832)
It is real simple. Follow the money.....
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Reply 10 - Posted by: udanja99 9/12/2019 9:30:22 AM (No. 177867)
I converted to Catholicism almost 30 years ago, received communion from Pope JPII in Vatican Square and have been very active in my local parishes to the point of hand embroidering altar cloths and vestments. Now, Francis is the reason that I rarely attend mass anymore. As I’ve been saying since he first opened his yap on political issues... Shut up and pray! (And bring back Benedict!)
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Reply 11 - Posted by: jacksin5 9/12/2019 9:48:18 AM (No. 177887)
The whole idea of Confession and Forgiveness was the concept of changing one behavior once forgiveness was granted. Now the Pope's ideas of Mercy and Compassion is that the non-sinner must turn the other cheek to lifestyles and actions that are in direct conflict with Biblical Teachings. I am grateful to the Church for teaching me the Catechism and installing a moral compass I have to this day, but I left the Church when the new priest arrived with long hair and a guitar.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: couchguy 9/12/2019 9:49:23 AM (No. 177889)
The Soros/Clinton pope.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: swarfer 9/12/2019 11:40:32 AM (No. 178010)
Fear not. The overwhelming number of people living today will witness at least two new popes, possible three in their lifetime. Francis will be forgotten as quickly as he makes headlines today. With one stoke a new pope could oust all errant cardinals and bishops. For those who can't wait, consider Benedict the real Pope and ignore Francis. On another point, the pope is only considered infallible when it comes to the Church's catechism, not anything else. He can wreck the Church and maintain technical infallibility. No Catholic has to agree with anything a pope says or does outside the Church's catechism.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: JackBurton 9/12/2019 5:50:23 PM (No. 178270)
The Church was instituted 2000 years ago. I figger we can afford (as much as we try to avoid it) and off decade now and then.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: doctorfixit 9/13/2019 7:27:50 AM (No. 178594)
Socialists are fools at best.
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