Deal With the Devil?
Vatican Caves to China’s
Demands on Bishop Appointments
American Spectator,
by
Evan Maguire
Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself,
9/2/2019 5:30:45 AM
This week, Bishop Antonio Yao Shun was installed as Bishop of Jining in northern China. There are thousands of Catholic bishops, but Shun’s installment was a groundbreaking event. Bishop Shun was approved by both the Vatican and the Chinese government. In the past, the millions of Chinese Catholics have been divided between the state-sanctioned “Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association” and the underground and persecuted Catholic Church, which is loyal to the Vatican. Shun is the first bishop to be appointed since a deal was made in September of last year, which gave both the CCP and the Vatican a say in appointments. While the deal is said to be a compromise
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Sunhan65 9/2/2019 6:44:39 AM (No. 169164)
Yep, good ole Pope Francis. The misses just keep coming.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
La Dotta 9/2/2019 6:48:49 AM (No. 169166)
With all due respect, #1, the church will never be relegated to the dustbin of history. Francis' papacy, however, is another story...
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
HisHandmaiden 9/2/2019 7:01:24 AM (No. 169169)
Very sad news.
Prayers for the persecuted Believers...
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
WhamDBambam 9/2/2019 7:12:17 AM (No. 169174)
So, this "Pope" hopes he'll be eaten last?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
4poster 9/2/2019 7:50:40 AM (No. 169195)
So, we must ask....What happened to Apostolic Succession?
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
rsgonner 9/2/2019 7:51:20 AM (No. 169196)
Things like this really make the case that Francis is the "False Prophet" of Revelation......
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
chance_232 9/2/2019 8:28:16 AM (No. 169232)
Once upon a time the "church" would raise armies and fight for its dogma. Once upon a time, the church" would cause nations to go to war. Once upon a time, a pope would have had an "accident" after a public heresy like this.
The "church" has drifted even further from its founding principles than the US has from it's founding principles. Never in my lifetime would I have ever imagined that large percentages of the US population would embrace communism and that the "church" would allow non-believers to determine it's bishops.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 9/2/2019 9:17:19 AM (No. 169272)
A man or an office approved of by BOTH the Vatican AND the Chinese government. Look for about a gazillion new encyclicals.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino 9/2/2019 9:23:07 AM (No. 169279)
Very simple - - when you vote for a commie - - you get a commie.
Thanks, Pope Cheech - - for confirming who you really are.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Moritz55 9/2/2019 9:25:46 AM (No. 169282)
The thing is, Shun himself May be a very good bishop. It’s the way he got appointed that’s objectionable. This is how the Chirch operated in the Middle Ages, and it was a disaster. “Those who ignore the lessons of history are bound to repeat them.”
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Strike3 9/2/2019 9:27:29 AM (No. 169285)
As far as Frank is concerned, Communism is the determining factor. It's well past time for him to go. American Catholics should be able to get him ousted because I'm sure our money is the majority of support for the Vatican.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
LC Chihuahua 9/2/2019 9:33:39 AM (No. 169296)
Does this mean the Vatican will no longer support the house church movement in China? There are thousands of them. The Chinese State Catholic church says nothing bad about the government. Do they even use the bible? Taking bibles into China is an arrestable offense, and the bibles are confiscated. In spite of that, China has the largest growth of Christians in the world.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Jackie 9/2/2019 9:46:56 AM (No. 169318)
How long before Pres. Xi Jinping will decide he will be Pope? Not laughing. Never thought the Communist would get into the Catholics business of picking Bishops. This Pope's actions make me believe even more , the old Pope did not resign, he was ousted.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
spacer 9/2/2019 10:01:28 AM (No. 169339)
Caves?????? Frank and the boys are in cahoots with them.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
little guy 9/2/2019 10:18:15 AM (No. 169356)
Apparently the Pope's television in the Vatican isn't carrying what is happening in Hong Kong! Once you let the camel's nose in the tent, his whole body soon follows. This is terrible news on so many levels! This new bishop has the power now to "make" more priests by laying on of hands. What good Chinese Catholic would confess his/her sins to such a government plant? I'd stay underground myself if I was there.
We Catholics went through a number of dark periods in the last 2,000 years. For awhile we even had Anti-Popes sitting on a different chair of St. Peter over in France and claiming the Faith. I guess we're in another such dark time. But, hold faith, and remember that The Master, Himself, said the gates of hell will not prevail against My church. (Sorry to disappoint number 1 above) Therefore, the faithful must patiently wait while He takes care of it in His usual way.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 9/2/2019 11:08:38 AM (No. 169410)
The Soviets destroyed the Church by having all the priests and other officials members of the KGB.
China is following in their footsteps, and Communist Frank is helping them out.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
MindMadeUp 9/2/2019 11:14:24 AM (No. 169423)
Back to the Middle Ages. The issue of who appoints bishops, the Pope or the king, was once a big point of contention in Europe. Around the year 1100 or so. Eventually, one of the Popes caved, after much bloodshed. Communist governments have much more in common with ancient dictatorships than with modern democracies.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
GO3 9/2/2019 12:25:26 PM (No. 169482)
Francis should have stayed in the elevator.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
NotaBene 9/2/2019 12:28:16 PM (No. 169485)
Papa Francisco, affectionately called Pancho, is himself a Peronista with Marxist training. Jesuits are extreme leftists. Pancho now betrayed the Catholics in China so the Chinese Communist Party can appoint its own Bishops. Just in time for the defeat of Communism in China under the expert steering of our Donaldus Maximus. Communism was not even mentioned during the Vatican Council II by previous Agreement by leftists Saint John 32 and Saint Paul 6 with the USSR. Pope Francisco is belatedly completing the designs of the 1964 Council (going for married and female priests now). This arrangement with Communists comes too late. The Communist Chinese are now being exposed (thanks in part to the wonderful Epoch Times, highly recommended) as digital dictatorship with social points, one million Muslims in concentration-re-education prison camps, Dalai Lama Buddhists exiled, Falun Gong practitioners turned into unwilling organ donors, Hong Kong enslaved, economy in recession. As usual, Peronistas corrupt everything they touch. Even the Church.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Javelin 9/2/2019 2:15:54 PM (No. 169550)
Francis is an Argentine and, apparently, believes that the fascism seen in that country is "capitalism." His papacy has been, to put it kindly, unfortunate.
The Church will survive, but it is in a troubled state under his leadership.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Wary American 9/2/2019 2:37:38 PM (No. 169567)
There is NOTHING spiritually enlightening at the vatigan. The pope? Who is he? Where in the scriptures is there a 'pope'...no where. And THIS ONE is a LOON of proportions unseen in y lifetime.
I was born in catholicism...never felt God. Now I read the Bible EVERY day and pray...and I have witnessed many great things happen...Pope is a DOPE.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
kono 9/2/2019 3:53:10 PM (No. 169632)
Old news if it's even news at all any more.
Still looks like a betrayal of the Chinese Catholics who risked their lives for years to stay loyal to Rome and Apostolic Succession.
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