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Debunking Theories About the WWII Use
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Posted By: earlybird, 8/11/2025 8:11:11 PM

After the film “Oppenheimer” released in July 2023, the national conversation returned to whether or not the development of the atomic bomb was prudent, and, furthermore, if dropping the nuclear weapon twice on Japan was necessary. These are not new conversations. The questions posed now were posed by prior generations dating back to 1945. Some of these arguments will, perhaps, remain perpetually and be discussed for decades without any consensus, but some of these arguments have been fully debunked. Barrett Tillman, World War II scholar and the author of dozens of military works, including “When the Shooting Stopped: August 1945,” discusses a number of these issues on a The Sons

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Reply 1 - Posted by: jalo1951 8/11/2025 10:16:40 PM (No. 1989573)
They started it and we stopped it. In the process millions were probably saved. Japan could have surrendered but refused. Even after the first bomb was dropped they thought they could carry on. Bad decision on their part. Physically invading Japan would have been so much worse. I have no problem with the decision that Truman made.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: chillijilli 8/11/2025 10:21:57 PM (No. 1989576)
I lived and worked in Tokyo for 6 years. I speak, read and write Japanese and understand the culture. I was stopped countless times by complete strangers who figured I must be American. They would give me a deep bow (saikeirei) and THANK me for "stopping the war by dropping the bombs"---as though it was a singlehanded effort on my part. Although I realize my observations are only anecdotal, incidents like this happened so often in 6 years that when searching for the truth I found myself relying more on my interactions with Japanese than on what my US history books told me. FWIW.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 8/11/2025 10:22:58 PM (No. 1989577)
People living today who second guess the use of the atom bomb didn't face the challenges of those living in 1945. The country was weary of war, the Japanese were clearly defeated yet refused to surrender, preferring to use suicide squads of kamikaze pilots. If Olympic, the operation to invade Japan, had kicked off, US troops would've been facing whole villages of civilian kamikazes determined to fight to the last man. Compared to the deaths caused by the A bombs, Olympic casualties on BOTH sides would have dwarfed Hiroshima & Nagasaki. But those who like to point fingers at the US would have preferred millions of dead compared to a hundred thousand or so simply to satisfy their so-called 'moral code'. Yep, the A bombs were bad, but so is war. We didn't start it, we just finished it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: joew9 8/12/2025 1:44:00 AM (No. 1989601)
Imagine Truman didn't drop the bomb. The war continued. 50k more dead Americans. Then we find out about the bomb that could have ended the war in a day. The parents and friends of the dead would have hung Truman.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: SweetPea3 8/12/2025 3:40:37 AM (No. 1989606)
Do some homework on Unit 731. Estimates of 300,000 to 500,000 prisoners were hideously murdered there by the Japanese during the war. Chinese, American, Australian etc prisoners were used for horrific medical experiments, and often, just for the amusement of the Japanese there. Torture, starvation, vivisection, (anesthesia was never used) and unspeakable acts of cruelty were done to there poor souls whom the Japanese referred to as "logs". These Japanese ghouls made Mengele look like a piker. If you want to boo-da-hoo about racism in dropping the Bomb, look no further than the Japanese, who preached their own racial purity and superiority, viewed the Chinese as inferior, and especially looked down on Americans as "mongrels.' Blacks especially were viewed as no better than knuckle-dragging apes. Because these prisoners were taken captive and did not fight to their deaths made them beneath contempt in the eyes of the Japanese, and therefore they deserved to be treated as inhumanely as possible, often for amusement, just because their Japanes captors could. Read up on the Rape of NanKing and the Comfort Women in the Japanese rape camps which the Japanese routinely provided for their troops. The Japanese were a vicious, racist and inhumane people, who, in my opinion, deserved everything they got, 1000x over.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: chumley 8/12/2025 7:26:42 AM (No. 1989639)
In 1945 they didnt have the luxury of 70 years of hindsight or countless self appointed experts. They had to make the decision based on their values and priorities, and the best information they had at the time. Thats what they did. Like #5 pointed out, these were not the sweet docile Japanese we know today. They were more evil, more brutal than the nazis in Europe. They slaughtered entire populations of women, babies, and old people who were no threat to them. They did it because they were evil and they enjoyed it.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: BarryNo 8/12/2025 7:33:27 AM (No. 1989643)
Millions survived to have families, who would have died if the bombs were not dropped. Japan and Germany were exploring Atomic energy with the idea of making city-crushing bombs. You think they would have held back, or agonized over the moral consequences? The bombs were the right action at that time. It was the politicians who corruptly spread the information for building the bombs to our enemies to continue the age old, Us/Them System of government - The age old Feudal excuses for ruling tyrannically over your people by blaming your excesses on protecting against other people's aggression!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: thethirdruffian 8/12/2025 8:20:13 AM (No. 1989652)
Couple of points: 1. Japan had two nuclear programs of its own in conjunction with Germany and was six months to a year away, far end. Some think they actually tested a bomb in its main facility in Korea (now NK). It planned on nuking San Francisco, LA, etc. The USA intercepted a German sub with 535lbs of U235 just in the nick of time. 2. Does anyone really think Germany was not the primary target of the Manhattan Project? It was majority staffed with Jews who fled Europe. 3. Kokuro was the primary target of the second bomb. Bad weather saved it. (Hence the phrase “luck of the Kokuro in Japan.) 4. As noted in the article, the only thing that saved millions was the Emperor broke with his war cabinet. This required massive destruction and shock.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: JHHolliday 8/12/2025 9:10:47 AM (No. 1989668)
Great article. I saved it and are sending it to others including a relative who says we were cruel and never should have used it.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: kidsmom 8/12/2025 9:26:44 AM (No. 1989682)
Once again, some people watch a movie (Oppenheimer) and suddenly they're experts on something that happened 80 years ago when the whole world was completely different. They lament the loss of Japanese lives; but what about the loss of both Japanese and Allied lives if we had had to invade? What about the lifelong horror of Allied survivors knowing that they had killed women and kids in hand-to-hand combat? Talk about PTSD....the bombs were a hard decision but this Army brat blesses Truman for making it.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: crashnburn 8/12/2025 9:42:38 AM (No. 1989689)
I agree we needed to us the bombs to end the war before millions were killed and the US was forced to commit genocide on the Japanese (because they were planning on fighting to the last man, woman, and child). Also, it's not appropriate to use the lens of today to judge the past. True, the destruction wreaked by the two nuclear bombs was worse than one incendiary bomb, but already 60 cities had been destroyed by conventional weapons. Without the nuclear weapons, the entire island would have been reduced to rubble before the invasion commenced. I have read the reason the Japanese didn't surrender earlier was because they wanted to prolong the war long enough for the Allies to get tired of fighting and leave Japan' government intact. Obviously, they didn't understand Western (especially American) culture of they would never have launched a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor in the first place.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Zigrid 8/12/2025 10:12:30 AM (No. 1989707)
As young as I was when Truman dropped the bomb...I felt it was the right thing to do...to save our soldiers from having to fight and die in Japan....I believe that Truman had the courage he needed to make a tough decision...and he did....much to the upset Washington liberals who....to this day...always want American to bow and screp to our enemies....beg forgiveness for being self reliant and mostly gun carrying freedom fighters...just as the Japanese general said...."we can't invade America...there's gun behind each blade of grass"...damn straight!!
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Old Army Vet 8/12/2025 10:12:36 AM (No. 1989708)
We did what we had to do, it's what you do in a war. The fact that Russia declared war on Japan also had an effect on them surrendering.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: sanspeur 8/12/2025 10:27:59 AM (No. 1989715)
My Father , who was almost 100 when he died , was one of the B 29 pilots who flew with the 330th Bomber group based in Guam . Their group was “The Empire Busters “ and that’s what their mission was , fire bombing the enemy where he lived .Growing up brat i had many discussions about his career and craft . ..His entire remaining ( “boys “as he called them )( the l enormous drop at the very end of that runway was a notorious Killer ) wing flew over the actual surrender ceremony aboard The Missouri . He Never regretted participating in US Air Force actions against an enemy who would not have surrendered without such forceful proof of our intent .
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Reply 15 - Posted by: mc squared 8/12/2025 10:56:34 AM (No. 1989726)
Why are we still debating this? Every August it's the same whining from people who didn't live through the war. It's hell and unfortunately lives are lost, but we need to save as many of our own.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Timber Queen 8/12/2025 11:04:29 AM (No. 1989731)
I'm grateful the bomb was dropped. My father was in the Army, stationed in Hawaii, waiting to participate in the invasion of Japan. His brother was in the Navy, a Seabee, that served the entire war in the South Pacific. He knew the fanaticism of the Japanese first hand. I never met a veteran of WWII that did not support the dropping of the atom bombs. As a trained historian, I know subsequent generations never know the whole story, nor can anyone "not there" ever understand a situation not lived.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Kate318 8/12/2025 11:37:35 AM (No. 1989745)
I watched the movie Oppenheimer. I was dismayed, but certainly not surprised, to see them frame Oppenheimer as a man who was actually working for peace and that the mean, old US government took his creation and used it for destruction. He was shocked, shocked I tell you.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: franco 8/12/2025 1:28:37 PM (No. 1989778)
Couple of things I always come back to when this topic comes up: 1.) In early 1945, the War Department estimated that deaths from a home islands invasion would be 1 million Allied soldiers and 10 million Japanese citizens. (That's 10 million of a population was around 80 million at the time.) So lots of Japanese living today would have had their family trees wiped out by an invasion. 2.) The Soviet Union had plans to "assist" in Operation Downfall by invading and occupying Hokkaido island and as much of the northern part of Honshu as they could. The U.S. advised them *not* to do that, and the Soviets were ultimately dissuaded by the "message" sent with the nukes. That Tillman today has post-war historical documents showing the Soviets would have had a tough slog doesn't mean they didn't have plans to try. And some War Department planners at the time feared that the Soviets would make to the outskirts of Tokyo before meeting resistance sufficient to stop their advance. I do, though, plan to read his book to understand the post-war intelligence corrections to Soviet lift capability. That doesn't change the circumstances of the moment in August, 1945, however...
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Reply 19 - Posted by: rikkitikki 8/12/2025 3:38:10 PM (No. 1989810)
The Japanese running Japan in 1945 were similar to the mullahs running Iran today, in this one regard: they shared a code of behavior that prominently featured martyrdom for their "cause" - personal honor, in the case of the Japanese, or religious devotion, in the case of the mullahs. In both cases, however, those leaders did not care how many innocent Japanese (or Iranians) were/are killed as a result of their policies. The relative inhumanity/barbarity of their collective death wish was never considered.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DrOstrow 8/12/2025 9:11:08 PM (No. 1989886)
Just two points. There are those that say that the second bombing was unnecessary. I disagree and say that the second bombing was necessary to prove to the Japanese leadership that the first bombwas NOT a fluke or an accident and that we could do it over and over and over again, if necessary !! Second, wish I could remember the movie where I heard this. I think it is the most concise description of what an invasion of Japan would be - paraphrased - The Japanese will eat rocks before they'll give up that island !!
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Reply 21 - Posted by: JHHolliday 1/13/2026 7:38:42 PM (No. 2054442)
Per other posts posters. My dad, (2nd lieutenant) unit was being staged for the invasion. I was born in 1942 so would have been born if he had been killed but my three younger brothers wouldn't be here. Massive lives were saved on both sides when the bombs were dropped. Rest in Peace, Harry, you made the right decision tough as it was.
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