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California’s High-Speed Boondoggle

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 7/18/2025 12:27:43 PM

Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy has terminated the remaining $4 billion of unspent federal funds for California’s beleaguered high-speed rail project. The move is well justified. In 2008, California voters approved a ballot measure that would allow the state to issue up to $9.95 billion in bonds to support an ambitious plan to build a high-speed rail system. But the state has not lived up to the promises made to its own voters who approved the measure and to the federal government. When it was sold to Californians 16 years ago, state rail officials presented a business plan that envisioned a sprawling 800-mile

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Reply 1 - Posted by: earlybird 7/18/2025 12:54:17 PM (No. 1979299)
I did not vote for it. A native Californian with a relatively wwell= functioning mind, I believed it was ridiculous. It made no sense. It never would have. I have traveled all over Europe on its Aural system and am also familiar with computer trains in NE USA where it does make sense They were trying to get us out of our cars. That will never work in this very big state with very varied terrain.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird 7/18/2025 12:55:45 PM (No. 1979300)
Correction:Eurail system.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: earlybird 7/18/2025 1:03:19 PM (No. 1979302)
FTA: Rail enthusiasts like to cite European countries for having high-speed rail, but such systems transport riders from one densely populated and walkable city to another. You need a car in our cities which tend to sprawl.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: mc squared 7/18/2025 1:17:41 PM (No. 1979308)
It was never meant to work - a promise that seemed palatable to those who believe everything. It was a cash cow for contractors, politicians and in-the-know people who bought cheaper land in anticipation of the rail line purchases.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: itsonlyme 7/18/2025 1:21:27 PM (No. 1979313)
July 17, 2025 "The entire San Francisco-to-Los Angeles project was initially supposed to be completed by 2020 for $33bn, but has now jumped from $89bn to $128bn." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/16/trump-california-high-speed-rail-project-funding The electorate sheep say Baa, Baa
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Reply 6 - Posted by: earlybird 7/18/2025 1:59:21 PM (No. 1979319)
Obama promoted it, Biden promoted it Newsom promoted it. The (CA majority) Dems voted for it. The rest of us had no interest in it. Believed it was aa boondoggle from the get-go. Hoping to see it gone.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter 7/18/2025 2:05:09 PM (No. 1979321)
This was a voter-approved initiative sold to the naive voters during the Arnold years which Moonbeam then catalyzed during his 8 years of "leadership". Brylcreem's now trying to cobble together what's left of the original plan, albeit for no one but his union base. No rails, but you can follow the cleared path on Maps that scars Central Valley farming fields and see the completed viaducts standing in the middle of nowhere. Kind of spooky. ...demand is likely to be lower than the 55 million riders initially projected by 2030 (which assumed they would be able to keep fares at half the price of airplane tickets. To provide some context, Amtrak reported 33 million riders last year - for the entire country. My wife just priced a trip from Norfolk VA to NYC (360 miles) - 8 hours by train, 1 hour by plane for half the price.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Starboard_side 7/18/2025 4:03:29 PM (No. 1979382)
They lied and knew it would never be done for the prices they originally projected. It was part of the scheme to fool voters into approving the voter initiative as most in CA are gullible for the "green" anything. They even believe their $4.50-5.00 per gallon gasoline is the reason the air is a little better than it used to be 30 years ago and that "big oil" is fixing the prices. Yet the same barrel of oil is refined and sold in most parts of the country for $3.00 - $3.50 per gallon today. People should sue them for misleading voters and presume bond holders. The cynical part of me sensed they really just wanted to develop the farm land with workers for the elite who would bask in the Coastal areas. If they could somehow get transportation into the Central Valley with low-cost housing where the residents would use the high-speed rail to commute to their jobs in the Coastal areas. Many drive 2 hours from the Inland Empire area to jobs in San Diego (to the South) and Orange County now. It's water friendly as residential units use significantly less water than farm land too.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Venturer 7/18/2025 4:20:06 PM (No. 1979396)
I don't understand why they do not connect the Washington DC subway with Baltimore's.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: DVC 7/18/2025 5:03:02 PM (No. 1979418)
This is a very interesting drone tour of the route of the high speed rail. It gives a real insight into how massively disruptive this has been, and this video is several years old. Huge disruption, billions wasted on a 'train to nowhere' that only fools wanted. At both ends you need a car, but won't have one. Stupid idea. I found this very interesting when I watched it a couple of years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIa4uAnVVw
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Reply 11 - Posted by: mc squared 7/18/2025 5:04:14 PM (No. 1979419)
#9: Because the DC riders don't want the rabble from Baltimore coming in.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: whyyeseyec 7/18/2025 10:30:41 PM (No. 1979429)
CA voters actually believed the high speed train from SF to LA would be built using the $10 billion dollar bond measure borrowed money. We're now 17 years into the 30 year bond measure. By the time the original 10 bil is paid back with interest, it will have cost 20 billion - with nothing to show for it. Also, keep in mind, voter fraud is rampant in CA, so we never know if these useless bond measures on our ballot every 2 years actually pass legally, or 'pass' via fraud. Every bond measure, no matter how crazy in CA, always seems to squeak by.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: KTWO 7/19/2025 12:34:30 AM (No. 1979437)
A bit late and off topic for today but I still remember my serious reservations about some project decisions made 15 years ago. i.e. We were told that everything was to be engineered anew. And all the successful European and Asian high speed rail experiences and equipment wouldn't be good enough for us in America.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: mifla 7/19/2025 6:23:57 AM (No. 1979461)
Big Dig 2.0. These large projects are never completed on time and on budget. They exist to funnel money to unions, donors, politicians, and other government employees.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Strike3 7/19/2025 7:30:02 AM (No. 1979485)
It would be interesting to map the expenditures for this Obama-approved project from day one and see who profited or became very rich from it. The good news is that now they won't have to rip up any rails and sell them for scrap - there are no rails.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: JHHolliday 7/19/2025 9:48:03 AM (No. 1979542)
Even in areas that generally have high commuter ridership, trains are a losing proposition. Amtrak loses over a billion dollars every year. Trains can be useful in some situations. Hauling massive cargo or some specialty scenic touring by rail but that's about it. I am no fan of our clogged roads and freeways and maybe technology will come up with a better plan but, for now, passenger railroads are an anachronism. I would love to ride the refurbished luxury Orient Express from Paris to Istanbul but at about ten grand for the trip, it's more than a little for most of us to afford.
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