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Could EVs Compete In A True Free Market?

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Posted By: RockyTCB, 4/19/2024 2:37:30 PM

It seems we’ve reached “peak EV,” with sales in trouble and assembly line workers losing their jobs. The hard truth is electric vehicle sales would have never reached the level they have if the government had not trespassed into private matters. The EV troubles are all around. Sales are slowing. Unsold cars have piled up in lots. Surveys plainly indicate that fewer Americans want them. In response to dramatically slowing sales, Ford announced last fall that it was delaying $12 billion in EV investments. Which should surprise no one, considering that the company lost nearly $73,000 on each EV it sold in the second quarter of 2023.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: franq 4/19/2024 2:43:05 PM (No. 1702400)
They can't even compete in a rigged market.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DVC 4/19/2024 3:04:20 PM (No. 1702412)
Nope. That's why the government won't let anything remotely like a free market exist for automobiles. We have almost NO CHOICES LEFT in automobiles. They have essentially outlawed ordinary cars, the government regulations push medium large SUVs as the only thing that they don't put punitive taxes on, YET. The gas mileage rules penalize ordinary sedans and small vehicles by requiring them to get insanely high fuel economy numbers....or pay huge penalty taxes by the maker. The fuel economy rules for "trucks" are different, and when the whole, COMPLEX equation is looked at for vehicle size, weight and the MANDATORY fuel economy calculated, a medium large SUV gets the easiest treatment. So....why does a Toyota RAV4 or Honda CRV nearly double in size over the last ten years? Because the government would require double the gas mileage for the small ones compared to the large ones....so the car makers respond to the penalties. There is absolutely NO free market in vehicles any more in the USA. You CANNOT buy what you want, you buy what is left as the government slowly bans everything with fuel economy regulations which are insanely tight and UNNECESSARY.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 4/19/2024 3:11:53 PM (No. 1702415)
EVs have no chance. Consumers look for what delivers the best bang for the buck. Vehicles powered by batteries that catch on fire unexpectedly, don't provide adequate heat for winter driving, have worthless AC in the heat of summer, only go 250 miles at best on one charge, can't tow a heavy load, and soon will not have AM/FM radios/CD players do not bring value.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Luandir 4/19/2024 3:14:13 PM (No. 1702419)
EVs of one sort or another have been available for more than a century. I'll repeat that: more than a century. In that entire time they have not made a significant dent in the market.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: bpl40 4/19/2024 3:16:08 PM (No. 1702421)
EV battery has a life of ten years. At which point the rest of the car is worth less than the replacement of the battery. So, resale market is zero. Case closed!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jalo1951 4/19/2024 3:40:34 PM (No. 1702436)
EV will need to be better on some level. As of now they are not better on any level. It's a government control scam. Everyone know that. FJB
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Reply 7 - Posted by: JHHolliday 4/19/2024 3:56:36 PM (No. 1702448)
#3 is correct. Maybe in 15-20 years technology will have found a better battery....longer range, less fire hazard, etc. but I won't live to see it. I am old but can fill up my ICE Camry in 15 minutes and drive 350 miles with full AC on and fill up again in another 15 minutes. Right now, EVs are virtue signalling toys and not practical for most people's needs.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: philsner 4/19/2024 4:42:35 PM (No. 1702469)
Captain Obvious is laughing.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 4/19/2024 5:53:13 PM (No. 1702512)
Re #7, while I never say never, the field of chemical batteries was well plowed by Edison in the late 1800s to early 1900s, and there have only recently been a few developments which have helped batteries get lighter, basically conductive polymers. IMO, batteries are to the point where the available tech improvements are getting to be very small. And what is needed is a battery with 100 times the energy density, while the possible improvements are most likely in the range of 5% or 10%, when 10,000% is needed to compete with gas cars.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: downnout 4/19/2024 8:38:50 PM (No. 1702598)
I couldn’t care less if someone wants to own an EV but don’t force me to subsidize it.
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