If it all goes wrong, with whom will the
police side?
American Thinker,
by
Mike McDaniel
Original Article
Posted By: DVC,
1/3/2024 12:44:12 PM
Should our government decide “our democracy” is in imminent danger and it’s necessary to suppress dangerous insurrectionists like Catholics and soccer moms, would America’s federal, state and local police play along?
It has long been common knowledge Federal agencies have been stockpiling enormous quantities of mil-spec arms, ammunition and other gear. Agencies like the Railroad Retirement Board, Department of Education and Fish and Wildlife Service have automatic weapon-armed SWAT teams. Apparently, railroad retirees, federal education grant applicants and Trout are a greater threat to “our democracy” than anyone imagined. Let’s evaluate the real potential threat:
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
BarryNo 1/3/2024 1:02:37 PM (No. 1628985)
Our freedoms are safeguarded by the blood of patriots. If you want to be free, if you want your children to be free, then be a patriot and prepare to bleed.
"I have but one life to give for my country." That was said by a man about to be executed by tyrants.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 1/3/2024 1:14:17 PM (No. 1628995)
Excellent point, #1. Be armed, be trained, have ammo....perhaps enough patriots ready to defend themselves and the Constitution will convince those 'on the fence' to not go with the anti-Constitutionalists.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Banjo Willy 1/3/2024 1:17:08 PM (No. 1628999)
I am a former cop
I wasn't a good cop
Daily, for about a year, I've watched "1st amendment auditor" videos
on YouTube. A friend with whom I once worked with in uniform, swears that
there is no corruption in law law enforcement, that a few videos of "citizens who audit the police" means they're only doing it to provoke police" and no mention of Constitutional rights. This is classic paranoia on a massive scale. (delusions of severe persecution) I broke off contact with my dense friend today, but it's been coming.
Rest assured, when someone comes knocking on your neighborhood door, demanding that you surrender your 2nd amendment rights, it will be the town cop that you know, who is standing there, in the name of the government.
Please inform yourselves and stay informed
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Strike3 1/3/2024 1:29:56 PM (No. 1629005)
If they are smart they will side with the people they live among. The wannabe hard-chargers will not last long. This is not North Korea or China where everybody claps at every word of wisdom from the insane leadership and has nothing more lethal than a set of chopsticks in their pockets.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Venturer 1/3/2024 2:36:07 PM (No. 1629040)
The families of the Police Officer depend on his salary for their bread and butter. They will do as they are ordered. It's a shame that Patriots will have to fight them, but it could come to that. Eventually Americans who own guns legally will have that right taken away, when that happens the only way to stop it will be to form militia's and fight.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
jasonB 1/3/2024 3:06:33 PM (No. 1629055)
As COVID showed 99% of cops would go along with whatever they were told to do. End of story. They may polish the seats on the train and say they are sorry but, the dream of mass disobedience by LEO's is just that, a dream.
Before anyone responds with "My husband/father/son/daughter would NEVER go against the people" please remember just a couple of years ago when some ones husband/father/son/daughter was locking people up/shutting down business for not wearing a useless piece of paper on their face.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
jimincalif 1/3/2024 3:23:14 PM (No. 1629059)
#6 beat me to it. Our COVID experiences are not encouraging. Cops arresting surfers, playground moms, seed shoppers, etc. In red counties, there may be some hope with sheriffs, as they stand for election on their own. Municipal police? Don’t count on them, they “follow orders”. Here in allegedly red Idaho, a playground mom was arrested by City of Meridian police was and still being prosecuted three years later. It took the statewide election of a conservative AG to get the charges dropped, and the city mayor said dropping the charges was “abhorrent”! And he was just re-elected two months ago! And his police chief agrees with hizzoner. This is why we needed Nuremberg type tribunals in the wake of the pandemic-justified abuses of human rights. Following orders is not an excuse, except that now it apparently is.
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I have a bigger question "With whom will the military side"
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
DVC 1/3/2024 3:58:13 PM (No. 1629076)
Re #8. He goes into his views in the article.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
chumley 1/3/2024 3:59:13 PM (No. 1629078)
All the sides wont matter once the shooting starts. Anyone will shoot back if getting fired upon, no matter which side either of them are on.
This would be a very bad move and I truly hope it doesn't happen. Freedom will win, but the cost will be enormous.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
TXknitter 1/3/2024 4:12:59 PM (No. 1629084)
Just as in 1930’s Germany, plenty of government employees and police had a moral decision to make as Hitler took over the reins of power, Many put pension and paycheck above all else to go arrest Jews and throw elderly Rabbis and children in the paddy wagon. They were just “doing as they were told, and keeping food on their family’s table.” I shudder to think the shame these people had to live with later.
The physicians and scientists who stood up against deadly Fauci-CDC hospital COVID protocols suffered true financial hardship, loss of grants, Board positions, academic posts, hospital privileges after many years building sterling careers. Now that truth is out, how blessed their families must feel that THEIR Dad had the character and integrity to refuse to do harm and never look back!
The police so far have shown us that we are on our own. It is why in my area you rarely see signs standing up for the Blue anymore. It is not that we don’t respect good law enforcement, it is just that we also have our eyes open too and realize how the LE system is working nowadays.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
3XALADY 1/3/2024 4:23:52 PM (No. 1629086)
After watching LEO's standing with their fingers up their butts while BLM and Antifa were burning down cities and police departments with cops inside, I don't need anyone to tell me which side they are on.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
mc squared 1/3/2024 4:29:28 PM (No. 1629087)
I would love to give whole-hearted support to cops, but I can't. From my limited encounters with them, they couldn't tell you what the Bill of Rights is much less how many there are. Younger ones are the worst.
We are our own first responders.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Arrowhead 1/3/2024 4:32:19 PM (No. 1629089)
There are approximately 200 MILLION lawfully owned guns in the hands of legal gun owners and 12 TRILLION rounds of ammo in the US. Let them try.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Geoman 1/3/2024 6:01:19 PM (No. 1629109)
Real Police, pronounced Po'-leece, with accent on first syllable, particularly those serving within state and local agencies, will always side with the people whom they are sworn to protect and serve. You see that a lot in red states and some local mid-sized agencies in blue states.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
hoosierblue 1/3/2024 6:49:13 PM (No. 1629133)
I think it depends of the police. Federal will side with the government. I think state police will have varying splits. Big city police -government. Smaller cities in red states will most likely side with the people. Most Sheriffs will side with the people.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
DVC 1/3/2024 6:49:27 PM (No. 1629134)
Re #14, no offense, and your point is exactly correct, but your estimate is almost certainly low by a factor of at least two. The real numbers reinforce your point.
Background check numbers indicate over 2.5 to 3 million guns purchased every month since 2012. If only half of those are new guns, the rest used guns being resold, that is still about 12 million new guns per year. Even if 2/3 are used guns it works out to perhaps 8 million new guns per year.
In the years prior to 1968 there were many hundreds of thousands per year of guns sold for the last century. Most of those guns are still out there. Many surplus rifles are ex-military rifles, like old Mausers, Springfields, Nagants, etc and such which were prime battlefield rifles for WW1 and WW2. Would a WW2 bolt action rifle be my first choice as a defensive rifle in some sort of a Civil War? No. And many rifles in private hands are hunting rifles, often with scopes, not ideal for the battlefield. But if someone had one and a few hundred rounds of ammunitions, he/she wouldn't be easy pickings for some crew of thug roaming around causing trouble. Those old guns and hunting rifles hit harder than modern sporting rifles like AR-15s and while slower shot to shot, with lower magazine capacity.....the Germans damned near conquered the world with them, and did conquer all of Europe and large parts of Russia.
Reliable estimates are 400-500 million guns in the USA, with that increasing by many millions more each year. ONLY AR-15 types are estimated at above 25 million in private hands. And certainly, AR-15s aren't 1 in 8 of all private firearms, which they'd have to be if we only had 200 million firearms in private hands.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
WV.Hillbilly 1/4/2024 12:19:41 AM (No. 1629222)
Police officers mostly live in the cities and neighborhoods they're supposed to protect.
We know where they and their families live.
They need to remember that.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
EJKrausJr 1/4/2024 1:29:04 AM (No. 1629225)
If ordered to load the Gulag trains, LEOs will obey and be happy to do so. Sad state of affairs.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
mifla 1/4/2024 5:21:02 AM (No. 1629253)
Police and military types will have to choose between a paycheck and persecution.
Sometimes, it takes a lot of courage to do what is right.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
privateer 1/4/2024 7:49:53 AM (No. 1629297)
McDaniel's bio omits two notable credentials: Hopeless Romantic, and President of the Optimists' Club. The attached comments provide balance.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
udanja99 1/4/2024 11:11:23 AM (No. 1629476)
Having lived for a time in Ceausescu’s Romania, I have one thought that keeps me somewhat optimistic. When Nicolae ordered his forces to fire on their own people, they turned on him instead, chased he and his wife down and executed them before anyone could even get the cameras rolling to film the event for posterity.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
woodenleg 1/4/2024 11:42:56 AM (No. 1629510)
If history is any guide, the police will follow whoever controls their pension.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
udanja99 1/4/2024 12:30:24 PM (No. 1629549)
#14, I believe that number is closer to approaching 600 million. Thank God for the wisdom of our Founding Fathers.
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Interesting discussion of events I pray never happen. But, I think he's pretty much on the right track, having had many cops as friends and fellow shooting competitors over the years, including one very good neighbor for the last 40+ years. And one friend was Border Patrol before he became a US Marshal.