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Germans Have Given Up On “Green” Energy

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Posted By: DVC, 4/9/2023 11:49:52 PM

Not the German government, which continues on a collision course with reality. But Germans have figured out that the green dream is turning into a nightmare. This report is on a survey of Germans done by forsa: An overwhelming majority of the German population is of the opinion that a successful energy transition is not realistic. According to a Forsa survey, 88 percent of respondents share this view. 88 percent! That is stunning.


Unfortunately, too many Americans are still buying into this fairy tale story which is actually a scam.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Californian 4/10/2023 12:18:43 AM (No. 1444634)
There's nothing wrong with adding a little solar or wind as a side show in places with lots of sun or high winds. But having either as primary energy is crazy and trying them in more northern or less windy regions is ridiculous. Having a few solar panels and a small battery can keep your house going through short outages and save everything in your fridge/freezer if your local power isn't stable. I've lost thousands in food over the years before I got some solar in place.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: NYbob 4/10/2023 1:17:52 AM (No. 1444640)
I think the coal industry underestimated the power of 'green' advocates and the emotions of the general public. Coal is very efficient at generating heat. The ash from power plants is actually a kind of rare earth ore. The exhaust gases should be viewed as a resource, Any non CO2 gases can be stripped out and the CO2, in concentrated form at a specific site, has value. The usual economics of a coal fired power plant did not warrant any of this, but IF the industry had pursued a carbon negative loop 20 years ago, the world would be much more secure. Greenhouses burn propane to generate CO2 for enhanced plant growth. The company CleanO2 uses CO2 to make soap. Other companies see it as a useful, profitable, gas. Not a problem. Corsa and any other coal company still in business really ought to build a demonstration, scalable plant to show the world how easily this can be done. Corsa has about $3 billion in coal rights in southwestern PA that they may never be able to turn into profits. Our government and a poorly educated public are on the verge of shutting them down. PA just closed a coal power plant near Indiana, PA for mush worse power options.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Trigger2 4/10/2023 4:34:43 AM (No. 1444669)
Yet, Joey is selling the same snake oil as the uber elite of Germany does.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DiegoDude 4/10/2023 5:19:37 AM (No. 1444679)
Nothing like seeing windmills stopped or solar panels failing in extreme cold and freezing your ass, for a reality check.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rather Read 4/10/2023 7:25:33 AM (No. 1444710)
I work with a bunch who are green, green, GREEN!! I am the only skeptic and the only one in the bunch that has a background in science. I am also the only one who was not on board with Fauci and the lockdowns.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Paintman 4/10/2023 7:34:58 AM (No. 1444714)
Local sports news this morning; Climate change is causing an increase in home runs. Today may be another 'not listening to talk radio today, day.' White Sox play at noon, then Relevant Radio Catholic station, then find a game I can tune in.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: privateer 4/10/2023 7:39:12 AM (No. 1444715)
The 'Green Dream' is actually the 'Red Dragon'. Notice that the materials for the batteries, solar panels and most green devices are made in.....China. And what are they doing to meet their future energy needs? Building coal plants galore. Only an idiot could not see this . Hello Joe, Xi's dimwitted Pekinese.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: ThreeBadCats3 4/10/2023 7:43:54 AM (No. 1444717)
Reply #1 is exactly correct, as anyone with common sense can see. Every attempt to get “free” energy has required huge subsidy, yet remains unstable and unreliable. There is no more optimistic plan in sight. Those who deny it are either foolish, or uninformed. Nuclear energy is everywhere, unlimited, and can be made safe and cheap. This will happen, assuming that our “leaders” don’t destroy us with its unsafe and totally destructive potential.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Clinger 4/10/2023 7:48:34 AM (No. 1444720)
If the German people have awakened to the national destruction that the Green quest represents yet their government has not, how long is it going to take them to do something about their government?
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Reply 10 - Posted by: bpl40 4/10/2023 7:57:30 AM (No. 1444724)
Come to their senses is the expression I would use. 21st century technology when applied to coal/gas and nuclear results in far cleaner, cheaper and safer output than the 1950s stuff the Greenies are using as a foil. This is the smart way to go until fission energy makes all this (including old solar panels and the Don Quixote contraptions of windmills) completely redundant. Studies are already showing the world population is peaking This is good economics. Which means it is bad politics!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: LLAMA 4/10/2023 8:23:01 AM (No. 1444745)
CO2 is necessary for life on earth. The Greenies know it - at least the grownups. But the green movement's real purpose is to create a worldwide crisis that will justify or even mandate world government. 'Climate Change' is a convenient vehicle for them to achieve that goal.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: NamVet70 4/10/2023 8:35:40 AM (No. 1444757)
I have known for many years that the global warming scare is a hoax. I remember when the "nuclear winter" scare was used to push through legislation that eventually forced the addition of very expensive baghouses onto coal power plants to remove the particulate emissions. The green crowd thought they could force the shutdown of power plants, but engineers found a solution to make coal plants much cleaner. Here is a good discussion of the truth:
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Reply 13 - Posted by: mariboo72 4/10/2023 8:36:40 AM (No. 1444760)
When are the Greenness going to understand what an environmental disaster "green" energy is going to be for both the land and wildlife? It will take millions of acres to be cleared for solar and wind farms. We already know how the earth is being raped for the minerals to make batteries, not to mention the slave labor being used. Ford Motor (along with a Chinese partner) will be clearing over 900 acres in Michigan to build an electric battery company. Our young people have had it drummed into their heads that wind and solar are the way to go. They have no idea of the environmental cost.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Butch 4/10/2023 8:47:47 AM (No. 1444769)
It´s no wonder the Germans are feeling insecure about their energy supply, given their cold climate and their huge industrial base, especially after Joe Biden boasted about blowing up the Nordstream pipeline. That would be an act of war against both Germany and Russia, but "Good Ol´Joe" has a reckless streak that just won´t quit.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: felixcat 4/10/2023 8:57:00 AM (No. 1444781)
Re #2 - if only the American Petroleum Institute, etc would run ads explaining what you wrote. I get so frustrated when a rep from the API or another fossil fuel company or association is on one of the business shows and they do such a poor job of explaining how clean their fossil fuels really are, the difference between a permit and a license to drill, etc. What good is "clean air" when all the forests are cut down, the earth dug up with huge strip mines, death of our wildlife, birds, bats, etc?
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Reply 16 - Posted by: smokincol 4/10/2023 9:13:56 AM (No. 1444803)
the thoughts were when Germany was re-united they would be the standard of anti-communism, having been subjected to communist domination since 1945 but, alas, it is not so as is shown with communism being the dominant political thought
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Reply 17 - Posted by: udanja99 4/10/2023 9:55:43 AM (No. 1444846)
Not to mention that, despite Trump’s warning which they laughed at, they decided to depend on Putin for their traditional energy.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: NorthernDog 4/10/2023 10:26:06 AM (No. 1444883)
I recently saw a mile-long freight train carrying nothing but coal. The amount of energy it will produce is astounding. The windmills and solar panels cannot come close to competing with coal as an energy source.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: franq 4/10/2023 10:42:16 AM (No. 1444898)
Our loving Lord has blessed us with abundant, efficient energy sources. I mean oil, gas, and nuclear. The last 100 years have proven their worth. But along come the fools and thieves who push a "better" way. SMH...
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Reply 20 - Posted by: franq 4/10/2023 10:42:40 AM (No. 1444899)
Yes, I would include coal too.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: MDConservative 4/10/2023 11:03:26 AM (No. 1444907)
Years ago a popular bumper sticker in Germany showed a caveman with the words, "Steinzeit? Nein, Danke!" I bet they become popular again.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Dannee 4/10/2023 11:05:42 AM (No. 1444909)
It took nature millions of years to create the energy (oil, gas, coal, nuclear) that "we" are now using for all things that require energy. The Greenies think that "man" can create enough energy, in a matter of a few years, that nature took millions of years. Naive and foolish thinking will cause untold damage to the world environment that cannot be repaired.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Msquared112 4/10/2023 11:08:09 AM (No. 1444913)
Leftist lunacy always eats its own. There is no reason, no logic, no real data, just good intentions. And we know what road that leads us down.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: privateer 4/10/2023 11:10:57 AM (No. 1444915)
Apropos 21, when I was in Germany, I saw a poster that depicted the typical yellow happy face...with one central eye, and a caption reading (in German) 'Mutants For Atomic Power. I think it was at a University.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Zigrid 4/10/2023 12:01:32 PM (No. 1444956)
China wants everyone off oil...they aren't able to mine that...but batteries is their specialty ...and Ukraine has the largest deposits world wide along with Africa of lithium and cobalt...hence china's involvement in the Russia fiasco....and the alliance with the saudis is about keeping their supply of oil flowing to generate their factories....WE can stop them in their tracks if WE Americans stop buying products from china because America is the largest consumer of goods and our economy fuels china's market....
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Reply 26 - Posted by: rochow 4/10/2023 1:58:13 PM (No. 1445016)
They started removing wind mills some time ago because they were not efficient and killed thousands of birds. The jackass resident of the WH continues to put them up. Well, he was never very smart.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: RWPollock 4/10/2023 5:10:32 PM (No. 1445132)
I am always amazed that a simple glance at the issue at hand with an application of some intellect and a lot of common sense does not stop people and governments from spending so much time, money, and effort on such sure-to-fail ventures. Again common sense tells you such ludacris ideas will not work.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Faithfully 4/10/2023 8:46:42 PM (No. 1445276)
Wait, what? We were told that the bombing of the gas line would put poor Europe in the dark. What is truth?
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