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The Church over the Abyss

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Posted By: Moritz55, 9/20/2022 8:01:18 PM

In a recent interview with the Neapolitan newspaper Il Mattino, Pope Francis offered an expansive prescription for the human race. “Planetary injustice,” centered around climate change and Third World debt, must be the focus of the Church, he explained, adding that politics is the “highest form of charity.” Saying that “everything is connected,” the Pope sounded like he was channeling the latest New Age woo-woo philosophy—which in a sense, he is. The Catholic church was once the greatest conservative institution in the West, and not in any narrow sense of the term. In her self-understanding she was the guardian of the apostolic inheritance, the natural moral law, and an understanding

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Reply 1 - Posted by: fhancock 9/20/2022 8:52:36 PM (No. 1283235)
I'm Catholic and Pope Francis lost me at "Hello" back 2012...he seems much more comfortable being around the Castro's, Chavezes, and other commie dictators than around his Catholic brethren...so Pope Francis can pontificate and I will choose not to listen
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Reply 2 - Posted by: JackBurton 9/20/2022 9:02:09 PM (No. 1283241)
The Church has been around for 2000 years. What's an off-pope now and then?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: itsonlyme 9/20/2022 9:05:33 PM (No. 1283246)
The Socialist pope wants you to tithe right into his pocket.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: rochow 9/20/2022 9:08:59 PM (No. 1283254)
He should have run for political office in a socialist country. He has dragged the Catholic Church down to his level and it will be a long time before they can shed the damage he has done!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 9/20/2022 9:14:59 PM (No. 1283265)
His communism is bred in the bone and no amount of Jesus is going to get it out, It's done great things for South America.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Ruhn 9/20/2022 9:39:49 PM (No. 1283294)
No offense, but the Roman Catholic Church is not "The Church". The Church is like a mansion with many rooms and the RC Church is but one of them.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: synchronicity 9/20/2022 9:41:29 PM (No. 1283298)
He would never have been Pope unless there was a majority of cardinals that voted for him after those same cardinals had convinced Benedict it was time to leave "or else". Make of it what you will.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Faithfully 9/20/2022 9:50:05 PM (No. 1283309)
#3 Catholic don't tithe. #2 Now and then?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: TJ54 9/20/2022 11:12:10 PM (No. 1283379)
Pope Libtard the 1st is finishing the job Vatican II started
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Timber Queen 9/20/2022 11:54:38 PM (No. 1283399)
The Catholic Church has survived heresies, schisms, multiple popes, the Borgia popes and the Reformation. We will survive the Argentinian. Jesus Christ founded His Church with the promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against her. He did not promise that that smoke of Satan would not infiltrate. My favorite all-time priest, a convert from Judaism, once said his proof of the truth of Catholicism was that the Faith endured because of the laity despite the clergy. There is the earthly church and there is the Holy Catholic Church in which the effect of the Sacraments are real and lasting; the greatest of which is the Eucharist, the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ made available to us through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and kept reserved for Adoration within His golden tabernacle in every Catholic Church. It matters not who occupies the Chair of Peter, or who holds a bishops staff, the reality of the Eucharist is not affected. The reality of any of the other Sacraments; Baptism, Confirmation, Reconciliation (confession), Matrimony, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick (Last Rites) are not affected by earthly corruption of any prelate. Christ knew He was entrusting His Church to fallible men and that is why the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles and the Blessed Mother in the upper room on Pentecost Sunday. Satan may take some consecrated souls, but he will not take His Holy Bride, the Church. Be faithful until the end. Keep your lamp filled with oil. Be ready when the Bridegroom comes. AMDG
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Reply 11 - Posted by: texaspast 9/21/2022 12:10:33 AM (No. 1283408)
"The Church", the bride of Christ, has nothing to do with "the pope", whoever that may be. They are political heads, and have been for well over 1000 years. They are the 'whited sepulchers'. The spiritual head of the Church is the holy spirit. Francis never met that entity. He is an arm and voice of . . . well, it ain't God.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: petrichor 9/21/2022 7:00:26 AM (No. 1283518)
Third World debt?! What about us? We owe over 30 trillion dollars and it's growing. Can the Vatican bail us out?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: MarkMatis 9/21/2022 8:01:53 AM (No. 1283560)
Bergoglio is instead the anti-pope. Many in the Church have recognized that ever since his installation. May we soon be rid of him!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Wretched Man 9/21/2022 8:17:58 AM (No. 1283579)
The Protestant Reformation identified, in 5 principles, the necessary doctrines of a true Christian faith, to keep the church from drifting into error: Sola Scriptura - Scripture ALONE is the place to find ultimate truth (with other sources subservient to Scripture). No papal edicts or any human-inspired rule trump Scripture. Sola Gracia - Grace ALONE, granted mercifully by God, is to only route to having peace with God. The forgiveness granted by a human priest is not sufficient. Sola Fide - Faith ALONE is the only way to have the righteousness of Christ - the ONLY righteousness acceptable to God - imputed to man. No works of man, or prayers to dead "saints", can replace faith as our righteousness before God. Sola Christus - Christ ALONE is the only mediator between God and man. No Mary; no saint; no pope; no confessional. Soli Deo' Gloria - To the Glory of God ALONE. God will not share His Glory due to Him with any creature, or creaturely organization.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: philsner 9/21/2022 8:36:13 AM (No. 1283597)
Well, #14, the "alone" you speak of seems to be 5 things.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: MickTurn 9/21/2022 8:58:56 AM (No. 1283612)
There's a special place in Hell for Communists, PERIOD!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: smaricic 9/21/2022 10:06:21 AM (No. 1283675)
As a Roman Catholic, I say God bless #14 and all Protestants. One little problem I have with Sola Scriptura is: it's not in the Bible. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not in the Scriptures. Think about that. As to Christ being the only mediator between God and man, Jesus was certainly the only one who was both God and man. But was Moses a mediator between God and man? I'm not a religious expert, and I do welcome intelligent answers to that question.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: MDConservative 9/21/2022 10:59:38 AM (No. 1283758)
Religion in the West is largely a figment, an industry that churns money for everything from "the poor" to the Reverend's new luxury sedan. Protestant and Catholic, no difference in the way the sanctimonious game of true belief is played. The Roman Catholic church claims a level of universality that no other Christian church can. It is, by modern definition, a Big Tent. It needs to be to accommodate "believers". in the US and Europe that means taking a humanist rather than spiritual view, and to practice "flexibility." Dogma is squishy. And it really doesn't sell well in an "enlightened" society pursuing spirituality. Catholics aren't the only Christian squishes, either. It appears that fewer Americans identify with religion than ever before, particularly Christianity. Cafeteria-style faith is the reaction of churches to relate. It fails. It fails in its trappings and its presentation of faith and dogma. Pope Francis, like Joel Osteen and others, is just playing to the crowd to keep his "ratings" up and the money flowing for "good works." His reaction to the incarceration of Bishop Rolando Álvarez and the agreement with the Chinese regarding the elevation of bishops is appalling...and entirely in keeping with his "faith."
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Wretched Man 9/21/2022 11:16:13 AM (No. 1283782)
#17 - Thank you for your response. Even though the words SCRIPTURE ONLY is not in the Bible, there are plenty of references that indicate this truth: "All Scripture is breathed out by God" - 2 Timothy 3:16; "And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God las they were carried along by the Holy Spirit". - 2 Peter 1:19-21; Jesus referred to the Scriptures, not oral tradition, being the only source of authority in texts such as Matthew 4:1-11, Matthew 12: 3, 5, 42. Paul, instructing the Corinthians, not to go beyond Scripture, says: "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another." Don't go beyond "WHAT IS WRITTEN". As for Moses being a mediator, he was a type of the mediator to come, Jesus Christ. "Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God’s house as a son." Hebrews 3:5; "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."1 Timothy 2:5-6 I hope this wasn't too lengthy a response, but your questions deserved clear answers. Blessings!
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Reply 20 - Posted by: JimBob 9/21/2022 12:03:04 PM (No. 1283826)
I was born in 1955 and raised in a Catholic family. As a 10-13 year old, I recognized that something was seriously wrong in the mid-to-late 1960's when the radical leftist 'Berrigan Brothers' priests joined the pro-Communist protests and suffered no punishment from the church administration. Up to that time, I had believed that the Church was working for God, and the Communists were Evil. As time went on, I became more and more dis-enamored by all the bureaucratic nonsense spouted by the church. The phrase "Apostolic Administrator" sticks in my memory to this day. When the pedophile priests scandals started coming to light, one after another, after another, and I realized that this was not an individual 'rotten apple' here and there, but that the church administration, instead of kicking these monsters out, was instead hiding these monsters, shielding them from public view, and moving them from places where they had been exposed to unspoiled parishes where they could (and did) continue to prey on innocent children with decent, unsuspecting parents..... I knew it was time to walk away. These days, with the corrupting, pervert-supporting actions of today's pope, and the activities of the 'Catholic Charities' organization which is apparently doing a lucrative business contracting with the Biden administration in trafficking illegal aliens who have entered the US, I believe that I made the right choice. Although a very long way from perfect myself, with a range of faults and failings, I cannot support the organization that the catholic church has become. They claim to be The Moral Authority, but they seems now to be more a force for evil than for good. Tempering this is that, in my limited contact and experience, there seem to be a good percentage of parish priests who are good, decent people, trying to do good..... but it seems to me that the 'hierarchy', the bureaucracy, is badly rotted. Today I consider myself a Christian..... but a catholic? It seems that the church has left me, and left the values that it held when I was young.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Gina 9/21/2022 12:13:47 PM (No. 1283837)
I was taught that "The Church" was All Christians - regardless of denomination. I'm Missouri Synod Lutheran and I believe that ALL Christians are "The Church on Earth." . I look to Holy Scripture - Sola Scriptura. My brothers and sisters in Christ belong to many church denominations and we all are The Church.
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