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Unsafe At Any Speed? Electric Cars Keep
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Posted By: RockyTCB, 6/2/2022 6:06:43 AM

In Vancouver, Canada, in late May, a Tesla Model Y burst into flames while the driver was waiting for a light at an intersection. He had to kick out a window to escape. Around the same time, a new Tesla burst into flames in Brooklyn, Illinois, and a week before that a Model 3 caught fire in California City, California, while it was parked in a driveway. In April, a deadly lithium-ion battery fire occurred in a Tesla car crash in Houston. Last year, a Tesla caught fire while charging overnight in a garage, which the Washington Post described as “one in a string of recent examples

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Reply 1 - Posted by: rytwng 6/2/2022 6:38:46 AM (No. 1173303)
Let's all chip in and buy Biden one.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: F15 Gork 6/2/2022 6:44:15 AM (No. 1173312)
Joseph Robinette Nero fiddled while America and her I’ll concieved electric cars burned......
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Reply 3 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/2/2022 6:44:34 AM (No. 1173315)
Let's require EV's in DC. Admittedly, I want to get rid of the lot of them. As these vehicles age, they will be fire bombs wherever they exist.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Corndoggies 6/2/2022 6:45:42 AM (No. 1173317)
I think electric cars are stupid and not green at all. Buuuut. My conspiracy brain wonders if this is being done on purpose to ruin Elon Musk.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: BarryNo 6/2/2022 6:56:01 AM (No. 1173330)
I only hear about Teslas catching fire. Are the other brands simly not reported? Where do the batteries come from? Are they U.S. made or imports? If the latter, from where? If imported, does that country have a reason to commit sabotage?
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Reply 6 - Posted by: SkeezerMcGee 6/2/2022 7:25:50 AM (No. 1173353)
Sooner or later one of these EV batteries will burn in a tunnel. The EV will melt, and the tunnel will fill with toxic fumes.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40 6/2/2022 8:15:13 AM (No. 1173405)
I don't even park next to a Tesla as far as possible.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: cor-vet 6/2/2022 8:22:57 AM (No. 1173412)
Strange coincidence, Musk buys Twitter and almost immediately, the media finds stories of his products endangering people. Apparently, not a single Tesla burned before he bought Twitter.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: bigfatslob 6/2/2022 8:32:31 AM (No. 1173427)
Golf carts belong on golf green courses not on interstates or in parking garages. EVs are the dumbest trick ever played on mankind. Only a low IQ braindead leftist believes in the EV silliness.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Aubreyesque 6/2/2022 8:50:14 AM (No. 1173449)
Paging Mr Musk… was this a detail your on site employees missed or were you just too busy supporting the Defecating Actress or creating more babies with women you werent married to? Yes Msk has been SAYING all the right things lately but his actions are kind of alarming. I withhold my admiration for him untilI I can SEE what good he does. And dont give me the “its da jobs” trope either. “Da jobs” are creating these fiery disastrrs and promoting environmentalism.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: paral04 6/2/2022 9:03:50 AM (No. 1173468)
Why are these things allowed on the streets? These idiots that are ramming this technology down our throats are evil and power mad. We have other options such as hydrogen that is much safer if you want to go "Green".
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Reply 12 - Posted by: DVC 6/2/2022 9:09:43 AM (No. 1173480)
The batteries are fundamentally unstable. Unlikely to be ever cured, it is the nature of that material.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: RuckusTom 6/2/2022 9:50:34 AM (No. 1173551)
Here they come for Elon Musk and Tesla.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: red1066 6/2/2022 9:58:13 AM (No. 1173562)
This seems to be a Tesla bashing article. I wonder why? Tesla isn't the only electric car catching fire. Earlier in the year, a ship carrying millions of dollars' worth of cars caught fire, and eventually sank while being towed back to port. The culprit in that fire was an electric Volkswagen. The fire suppression system on the ship wasn't made to put out battery fires from lithium batteries. Plus, the thousands of other cars had gas in them. Not a full tank of gas of course, but just enough to have them driven off the ship and to the inspection facilities. The crew of course was immediately evacuated from the ship, and efforts were made to put of the fire by navy vessels.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Californian 6/2/2022 10:10:23 AM (No. 1173579)
Why did I buy a Tesla? It's super fast off the line. Faster than my 2 seater sports car. Wooosh! Their on street support and maintenance is awesome. I don't pay -anything- to charge it. The seats are incredibly comfortable. I park it in the driveway, never inside, just in case it catches fire. If it burns, oh well, they owe me a new car and driveway repair. It isn't green. I don't care.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: ByteGuru 6/2/2022 10:10:25 AM (No. 1173580)
Remember, 96 out of 100 EVs are still on the road. The other four made it home.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: David Key 6/2/2022 10:30:21 AM (No. 1173601) it only Tesla that's catching fire? If so then Tesla needs to be examined. If it's all ev's. Than perhaps it's the whole concept that's got a problems.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: marbles 6/2/2022 11:06:30 AM (No. 1173636)
The article also talks about Chevy Volt's and Bolt's
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Reply 19 - Posted by: mc squared 6/2/2022 11:48:51 AM (No. 1173686)
#15: I don't pay -anything- to charge it. You plugging it into your neighbor's house?
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Reply 20 - Posted by: DVC 6/2/2022 12:01:12 PM (No. 1173696)
The problem is ALL lithium batteries, not just Teslas. Your laptop computer has literally, exactly, physically interchangeable, once you open the plastic outer housing, the same batteries as the Tesla. These are called 18650s and are about 2.5" long by 3/4" diameter cylinders, looking somewhat like an overgrown AA battery. These were selected for the Tesla because there were pre-existing large factories turning them out in large numbers for laptop computers, which prior to the first few electric cars was THE primary market for lighter and more compact storage batteries. So, a Tesla has literally thousands of these small "overgrown flashlight batteries" as the battery pack. There have been multiple fatal airliner/ freightliner crashes due to lithium batteries being shipped by air. I don't believe it is legal any more to ship significant quantities of lithium batteries by aircraft. There has already been tremendous research time and effort and money spent reducing the propensity of this battery technology to burst into flames. Most of the control has been to use more sophisticated charging systems, but the fundamental problem of their own chemical instability and the extreme flammability of the raw materials that the battery is made from cannot be eliminated entirely. IMO, we are looking at a statistical risk. One single 18650 battery, which I have on my desk in front of my, used in a special kind of very bright flashlight, has a pretty low chance of bursting into flames while not being charged. While it is being charged or being discharged the chance of that one single 18650, 2.5" x 3/4" battery bursting into flames is moderate. BUT each of these little 18650s are individual, separate "chemical bombs" and when you put more and more and more of them into a larger package you MULTIPLY the chance that one of them will go unstable and burst into flames. Then this will set off the adjacent 18650s, since they are very tightly packaged into large bundles to fit them into the cars. Larger battery capacity....more individual 18650s, each one a "lottery ticket" for a fire. Buy enough lottery tickets and your chances of "winning" increase directly in proportion to the number of tickets....or 18650 batteries in your battery pack. Longer range.....more chance of a fire. Your laptop has maybe 5 or 6 individual 18650s in the battery pack. A Tesla has, I don't know, perhaps 2,000 or 4,000 or more. That's a much greater chance of one of those being the "jackpot" battery that catches fire and sets all the rest off. One cell does NOT burn by itself, it sets off all of them.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 6/2/2022 12:02:27 PM (No. 1173699)
Here is more info on these 18650s.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldoc 6/2/2022 12:10:38 PM (No. 1173711)
While parked in homer ak, I watched my laptop burst into flames in front of me. Luckily I was able to throw it out the door before catching my rv on fire. Buy an electric car? You've got to be sh....g me.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Winstonsmith 6/2/2022 12:27:08 PM (No. 1173735)
And how many gasoline powered cars caught on fire on that day in the USA and Canada? I’m guessing hundreds. Teslas are probably the safest cars on the road. It’s open season on Elon now that he is trashing the Dems.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: DVC 6/2/2022 1:02:12 PM (No. 1173780)
Actually, #23, you've been watching too many movies where cars almost universally burst info flames in any crash....courtesy of the special effects department. I was on a volunteer fire department for a few years, and went to exactly one car fire. I'll bet that normal gasoline car fires are way less than 1 in 10,000,000 per year. I have known a lot of people in my lifetime, and I know of exactly one person who had a gasoline powered car catch fire. Oh, and one HUGE difference. If you have a $25 fire extinguisher in your trunk, you can usually put out a car fire in a few seconds. Unfortunately, not many people are very well prepared, so they let the insurance company buy them a new car. But, you cannot extinguish a lithium battery fire by any ordinary means. Water makes it worse, chemical fire extinguishers have no effect at all. I expect that even CO2 fire extinguishers would have little or no effect as the burning lithium would pull the oxygen off of the CO2 and use it. This is much like titanium, used in some aircraft structures. Not trivially ignited, but once titanium is lit, CO2, water, even pure nitrogen atmosphere will NOT stop it from burning. It strips the oxygen off of the CO2 quite happily, switches from using the oxygen to make titanium oxide in the fire to using the nitrogen in a pure nitrogen atmosphere to make titanium nitride, still burning furiously. Some chemical fires are nearly impossible to extinguish.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: Winstonsmith 6/2/2022 2:48:47 PM (No. 1173897)
Actually #24, I live in California and see burned cars on the side of the road often. Probably mostly electrical fires or cigarettes, but aside from the few fires a year, Teslas are way safer. It is very difficult to crash a Tesla because of all the built in safety automation. “For the drivers who were using Autopilot technology (Autosteer and active safety features), the company recorded one crash for every 4.97 million miles driven in Q3 (new all-time record) and one crash for every 4.31 million miles driven in Q4 (new quarterly best).” In 2019 there were almost 7,000,000 auto accidents reported to police. Very few were Teslas and, of course those that were made national news headlines. So I think the trade off for a few fires that burn for a long time is worth it. They will only improve over time unlike, 100% human judgement dependent vehicles. Remember computers don’t drink or take drugs.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: MickTurn 6/2/2022 3:43:54 PM (No. 1173959)
Well the drivers need to stop throwing their cigars into the back seat!!!
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Reply 27 - Posted by: cheeflo 6/2/2022 4:43:23 PM (No. 1174013)
I read about a Tesla that caught fire after it hit a viaduct (two men died, neither was found behind the wheel). It took 20,000 gallons to extinguish the fire because the lithium battery kept re-igniting and burning until it was spent. Internal combustion engine car fires typically require 200-300 gallons to extinguish.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: Faithfully 6/2/2022 10:04:21 PM (No. 1174313)
Those electric skate boards from the '90's burned down a few houses.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Californian 6/3/2022 1:26:53 AM (No. 1174428)
19, free charge at work. I know this isn't the standard situation but it is my deal and is part of why I got one so it's fair to mention. I do sometimes charge elsewhere though. For example today to go from under 20% to 80% was $25. Compared to my decent mileage 2 seater cost me over $100 for a full tank a few days ago.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 6/3/2022 1:39:20 AM (No. 1174433)
Don’t want an EV, ever! I would NEVER trust my car to drive itself! I have seen too much software written and “tested” before having to back out the new “upgrade”! I don’t want the dial on my Electricity Meter spinning cherry red hot and catching my house on fire! My house was never wired for EV charging! I have 220 in the garage for my table saw and other tools! But they don’t have batteries yet! I don’t support China by importing 100’s of thousands of tons of Carbon for batteries every year! There is enough oil for 400 years in a shale field in PA! And that’s just one spot! Don’t need no stinkin EV! EVA!
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Mushroom 6/3/2022 1:59:46 AM (No. 1174438)
I feel for you #4 but my personal experience follows this pattern. Decades ago I used Lithium batteries for portable electronics. MUCH larger than a cell phone but smaller than a car battery. They were sealed in plastic but, with a good wack you could crack the case. You could then toss it into a small lake/pond and it would burn. If the crack wasn't real big it would explode. The reason we even did this is although we could bring them TO the area we might be working, we could not get approvals to RETURN via acft with depleted batteries. I noted there was soon a fuse installed int he battery case. I am sure this practice is no longer used. My point is we are reasonably new at this in the civilian world and there will be safety based protocols as they are developed. Think of how many early cars just burned up before the concept of exploding gas was tempered by procedures and standards.
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Posted by ladydawgfan 6/28/2022 1:59:46 AM Post Reply
The United States Army has dropped its requirement that recruits must have a high school diploma or a G.E.D. degree in an apparent attempt to increase the number of troops. On Thursday, the Army announced the changes. Recruits must be 18 years old and eligible for a job in other areas of active duty and they also must score at least a 50 on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) to test their academic ability, according to The military outlet also noted, “The Army and its sister services have scrambled this year, offering increasingly generous benefits and policy tweaks in an effort to improve recruiting numbers.
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