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U.S. needs to do these 3 things to ensure
majority of new cars are electric
by 2030: Michigan congresswoman

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Posted By: NorthernDog, 9/16/2021 9:29:45 AM

Earlier this month, President Biden signed an executive order with a lofty goal: he wants over half of all vehicle sales to be electric vehicles by 2030. The CEOs of GM (GM), Ford (F), and Stellantis (STLA) attended the White House event and threw their support behind the measure, pledging to put billions of dollars into manufacturing EVs and to work with Democrats to have American workers produce them. “There’s no turning back. The question is will we lead or fall behind in the race for the future,” Biden said on Aug. 5. Rep. Debbie Dingell (D., Mich.), who represents

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They leave out that the power grid and the electrical service panel in most homes are ill-equipped to handle cars being plugged in for hours at a time. There will be black outs and electrical fires on a daily basis.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: sanspeur 9/16/2021 9:34:26 AM (No. 916250)
Here’s a real idea ..what with the chip shortage and cost that inflicts upon our autos ..Make a simple car again .. no chips , big complex motor few can work on at home fewer silly bells and whistles .. As for the ridiculous electric hog engine that weighs more and goes less ..Why ?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: RuckusTom 9/16/2021 9:37:21 AM (No. 916257)
Are they going to include building nuclear power plants for the massive increase in electricity that will be needed to keep all the cars running when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow? Can our current grid take such an increase in kw's without melting / blowing up the transformers? I'm sure a nuke plant will be aesthetically pleasing right next to Mt. Rushmore and in the middle of Yellowstone.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: petrichor 9/16/2021 9:40:24 AM (No. 916262)
I believe many households would need two vehicles. One gas powered for longer trips and one electric to putt about town. Maybe some kind of co-op for car sharing for people who need to travel.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Lesthanzero 9/16/2021 9:51:23 AM (No. 916279)
It's not a race for the future, unless you define the future as impoverished totalitarianism. There is no significant threat from CO2 or climate change that mankind can do anything about; CO2 remains a beneficial greenhouse gas that will stay in the same concentration whether cars are powered by petrol or anything other than nuclear-based electricity. And forget about the batteries; none will last as long as a normal car does now, will cost $40k or more to replace, and will not be recyclable. Market-savvy entrepreneurs could really make a bundle by skirting frivolous and unnecessary environmental regulations.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Quigley 9/16/2021 9:53:18 AM (No. 916283)
FTA: “There’s no turning back.” Such profound reasoning. It’s like Absentia of cortex saying “I cant think of any reason no to.” Well, there it is. There’s no turning back. Why is there no turning back? Turning back from what? How does turning back differ from veering in a different direction? The Gullibles are so easily satisfied in the field of predigested precepts.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: singermom9 9/16/2021 9:54:55 AM (No. 916286)
I can't wait for this. CA can't keep the lights on now. TX wind turbines froze in the cold because they were so short sighted they did not add the de freezer to the turbines. Hey lib dummies. They use COAL to make electricity. If you get rid of coal what are you gonna use? They think they flip a switch or plug something in and voila instant electricity.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: planetgeo 9/16/2021 9:57:02 AM (No. 916292)
What perfect timing. Yesterday there was an article from the UK that described how the government was already cutting power to those homes that had electric vehicles between certain hours in order to keep the grid from going down! OMG. Is that the perfect preview for what's going to happen here or what? Dead little Priuses and Teslas as far as the eye can see... My eyes are tearing up just thinking about it (with laughter).
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Reply 8 - Posted by: rikkitikki 9/16/2021 10:01:14 AM (No. 916300)
I stopped for lunch yesterday across the street from a vehicle charging station the other day...made a mental note of which cars were charging when I sat down, ordered lunch, at lunch, and left...not a single charging car had finished its charge. Eight morons with their electric cars evidently had the time to wait over an hour to charge their cars. The only people I know with that kind of free time are on some kind of assistance....govt, trust fund, parental, etc. Nobody that works for a living has that kind of free time...every day.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: chance_232 9/16/2021 10:07:06 AM (No. 916306)
Democrats haven't figured out yet that the cost of higher wages. Vacation time. 401K's, healthcare, OSHA regs, environmental regs, compliance regs taxes, tarrifs and legal fees are all included into the cost of any product. That the democrats are bent on increasing the cost of all of the above seems to be lost on them. The end result is a BOOMING Chineese economy. Because that's where most of the manufacturing will end up.
22 people like this.

Reply 10 - Posted by: Bassman1911 9/16/2021 10:15:46 AM (No. 916313)
They better figure out how they’re going to dispose of all the toxic chemicals in the batteries. That’s a catastrophe in the making. Hell, they haven’t even figured out what to do with nuclear waste yet.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Otis Gill 9/16/2021 10:16:41 AM (No. 916315)
Why this infatuation with electric cars which are powered by electricity, electricity which comes from fossil fuels, including at least 30% from coal burning plants? And it cost more than $10,000 to replace a Tesla battery and the batteries are hazardous waste. Liberals love chaos. In the future, they'll be mandating electric cars that are ultimately more harmful to the environment.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: paral04 9/16/2021 10:19:00 AM (No. 916317)
Does this idiot know where electricity comes from? There is a lot of logistics that come into supporting an all electric transportation system, not including how to handle a nationwide power outage. The human race, whatever that is, because to the best of my knowledge Race refer to the 4 species, like Black, White, Asian and Indigenous which are included in the biological species called Homo, will survive. It has for many thousands of years. For a quick look at the climate, our prognosticator should know that our temperate here comes from the sun.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Sanchin 9/16/2021 10:20:29 AM (No. 916319)
A great example of low-level thinking with the inability to see beyond the immediate. As OP mentions no electrical grid anywhere would be able to handle such an increase in electrical demand on top of the current demand, costs would skyrocket. In addition, battery production and disposal have a much larger negative impact on the environment on multiple levels.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Ribicon 9/16/2021 10:29:28 AM (No. 916329)
Electric cars, because everyone in New America has a garage in which to charge these things overnight, instead of outside in the rain using a giant extension cord. What, you don't have a four car garage like our government class does? Tough luck, Charlie.
20 people like this.

Reply 15 - Posted by: Nimby 9/16/2021 10:30:40 AM (No. 916330)
Bah! Humbug
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Reply 16 - Posted by: downnout 9/16/2021 10:34:54 AM (No. 916335)
It’s going to be fun watching these woke snowflakes when they discover the electrical grid can’t support their green dreams.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: skacmar 9/16/2021 10:44:53 AM (No. 916348)
Do electric cars get less Miles per Charge (MPC) in really cold weather? If so, I'm sure they will love the electric cars in rural Northern Minnesota, Alaska, North Dakota, and all of the other colder climates and can't go anywhere or constantly run out of charge.
18 people like this.

Reply 18 - Posted by: bad-hair 9/16/2021 10:57:10 AM (No. 916361)
Am retired now but as a field engineer it was not uncommon to get a call at 7 PM to drive from Houston to Mobile, Alabama. This would be during the time that normal folks would have their cars at home charging. This would also be the time that the sun don't shine on a nice calm day. What do you suppose my chances would be to make it past Lake Chares Louisiana ?
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Reply 19 - Posted by: LanceLink1 9/16/2021 10:58:38 AM (No. 916364)
The UK was going down this road until they realized there isn't enough lithium in the world for the batteries to support their island nation going electric. So is there enough for Ford/GM/Chrysler et al for the good 'ol USA? And don't get me started on the power grid.I If the end goal is to curtail travel and get people off the roads say so. Stop building cars altogether and shut down half the gas stations. The earth will cool and everybody will be happy happy happy.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: davew 9/16/2021 11:04:38 AM (No. 916369)
If you want to understand the problems with electric vehicles and have access to Apple TV you should watch the "Long Way Up" series with Ewan McGregor. Ewan and his friend decide to ride electric motorcycles from the tip of South America to Los Angeles supported by two prototype electric SUVs. Even with millions of dollars of manufacturer support they continually have to be bailed out and recharged from the diesel generator truck that follows them. The problem is that Level 1 power charging and battery efficiency is totally dependent on temperature. If you live in a cold climate and leave your electric vehicle outside it takes forever to charge and has a very limited range. The main excitement of the series is watching them try to stretch their range to make it to the next charging station. Unless you like a lot of drama in your life you should forget about electric vehicles anytime soon.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: NYbob 9/16/2021 11:11:46 AM (No. 916380)
The approaching perfect storm of money tied to unworkable debt, completely corrupted 'elections,' Red Chinese bio-warfare and the rat planned and implemented parasite invasion, will fully realize this nightmare one way or another. Either we will have the kind of Orwellian dark age he warned us about or every person everywhere will have to decide will they stand and risk everything for freedom or be a slave to madmen?
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Reply 22 - Posted by: bighambone 9/16/2021 11:15:55 AM (No. 916382)
Why not just have the US Government purchase a new electric automobile and charging device for all Americans, with “disadvantaged” minority Americans being given priority, who certifies that he or she is a leftist, liberal, or socialist Democrat supporter. While all other Americans and especially Americans who are identified as Trump Supporters, including all the “White Supremacists” out there across the country be required to pay full price plus a premium to cover the costs of the US Government program outlined above.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: columba 9/16/2021 11:19:03 AM (No. 916384)
This article if from Yahoo News. Reading anything from Yahoo News is like drinking poison. Forget it.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: columba 9/16/2021 11:21:59 AM (No. 916390)
I have a world map which shows the major contributors of CO2 emissions. North America continent is not the major emitting place.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: EJKrausJr 9/16/2021 11:25:31 AM (No. 916399)
Oh my, Dingell Debbie - the infrastructure for charging all those EVs is not in place. Provide it in 9 years, yeah right. And if Government is involved add on at least 30 years because of the red tape and corruption that would be created.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: DVC 9/16/2021 11:28:22 AM (No. 916405)
I may keep my existing vehicles until I die. If the only vehicles available are electric, I won't be buying them, under any circumstances.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Historybuff 9/16/2021 11:56:47 AM (No. 916436)
Pol Pot ordered water to flow up hill in Cambodia. That didn't work out either.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: red1066 9/16/2021 12:05:58 PM (No. 916446)
Dumb stupid people. Electric cars will not be the majority of vehicles on the road by 2030 no matter what they want. The resources aren't there to make the cars. The infrastructure isn't there and is not being built, and unless there is a major break through in battery technology that lets an electric car get 400 plus miles per charge, and the ability to recharge in minutes, they just won't be practical for most people.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Phantomll 9/16/2021 12:16:20 PM (No. 916455)
These idiots never consider what would happen when a hurricane comes through knocking out power for several weeks and there's no way to charge the :EVs. Or during a hurricane evacuation when there is gridlock on the highways and :EVs get stuck when their batteries run down. Take your EVs and shove them!
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Reply 30 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 9/16/2021 12:21:10 PM (No. 916462)
Dingell, the eminent automotive engineer. Everybody point and laugh at Dingbat Debbie.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: sw penn 9/16/2021 12:25:31 PM (No. 916467)
I think folks are missing the point... They can "make electric cars the majority of car on the road" anytime they want. Biden has a "pen and a phone." They will just make your car illegal! Don't think they will? See also: The head of the European Central Bank discussing how fast they can boil the frog before the frog revolts... You're the frog. And you're armed. Start acting like it. Just say No! These people think the planet is their playground and all the people everywhere will just confirm to their vision of how the world >should< be. Sooner or later they will have to be told how the world >is
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Reply 32 - Posted by: jinx 9/16/2021 12:31:55 PM (No. 916475)
What is going to happen to all of the cars on the roads today? Car graveyards are ugly and cannot be removed. These are the same people who tell us plastic is bad for the environment. Are they going to force all airlines to purchase new electric planes? What will the politicians and Hollywood celebrities do without their black SUV's and private jets?
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Lawsy0 9/16/2021 12:38:42 PM (No. 916484)
''U.S. needs to'' stick its interest in electric cars where the sun doesn't shine until Biden and MIlley take Fauci up in one of those electric powered Air Farce One planes. BTW, does Hillary have a pilot's license?
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Reply 34 - Posted by: DVC 9/16/2021 1:00:38 PM (No. 916507)
Yesm #17, they do. Batteries put out less power in cold weather, and the cars require more power because of the lubricants in the wheel hubs being cold and stiff, and there is added power required to heat the vehicle.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: mc squared 9/16/2021 1:04:08 PM (No. 916513)
#3; ever seen what happened in cities where there were bicycle co-ops? I guess a car would be too heavy to throw in a river after you've used it, though.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: rochow 9/16/2021 1:39:12 PM (No. 916552)
Dingell has always been just a dingeling with a matching brain!
8 people like this.

Reply 37 - Posted by: KTWO 9/16/2021 2:00:51 PM (No. 916579)
Debbie sees no problem with mandating electric cars. Everyone she knows can afford a couple.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: john56 9/16/2021 2:43:56 PM (No. 916617)
Our local electric co-op put a charging station outside of their offices. It's about a half a mile off Interstate 10 between San Antonio and Houston, even got a billboard on the interstate promoting the charging station. A couple months ago, they had an article in their monthly magazine about the success of the charging station. I forget the total numbers, but I think in an average month, they had NINE different vehicles use the charging station (some of those nine could have used it multiple times). Now yeah, we're not in a heavily urban area, but we aren't in no-mans-land either. Lot of expense for nine people to charge up their Tesla. Somewhere I once was told the infrastructure (not including, of course, the infrastructure cost of the allied diversity program coordinators, consultants, and child care agencies) to power a gas-station sized recharging station would be ennormous.
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Reply 39 - Posted by: skacmar 9/16/2021 3:07:22 PM (No. 916641)
So people need to buy expensive electric cars that do not go very far. They will need to stop often to charge up their cars. How long will it take to get going again? A 400 mile weekend trip may no longer take just a weekend once you add in an extra16 to 24 hours of charging time. How about driving from NY to Florida for a vacation? No more 24 hours straight through with stops for gas. Add multiple long stops at the charging stations so you trip now takes 4 days each way and you never get to Florida. People will be trapped doing local travel only unless battery technology improves. Is this all a move to control people's movements?
9 people like this.

Reply 40 - Posted by: rikkitikki 9/16/2021 4:42:22 PM (No. 916724)
For me, I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to explain the last few ice ages and subsequent warming periods. Until they do, the case for electric cars (ostensibly to reduce CO2 and its hypothetical impact on climate) has no basis in science. If anything, electric cars will increase overall CO2 output due to energy inefficiencies of first generating electricity from fossil fuels and then transporting it to charge all of those cars, after having generated even more CO2 by building batteries and charging stations in every home and on every street corner, instead of them just burning gasoline.
5 people like this.

Reply 41 - Posted by: Venturer 9/16/2021 5:01:16 PM (No. 916736)
When VW first came out they were a 55 gallon drum on wheels. I bought a Mini. It had a piece of cable on the door to open it and the windows slid to one side. It cost me $1200 Dollars, and got 40 miles to the gallon. Now the Mini's are $30,000 and get 25 MPG if you are lucky. Remember when Pick-up trucks cost $1700 dollars and had rubber rugs and a radio if you ordered it optional?
5 people like this.

Reply 42 - Posted by: John Moses Browning 9/16/2021 5:04:31 PM (No. 916741)
Drop dead, Debbie.
5 people like this.

Reply 43 - Posted by: rocket-j-squirrel 9/16/2021 5:12:11 PM (No. 916745)
I'm working on a design that will repurpose a Tesla or Prius to be able to attach a harness and Singletree to accommodate that there hay burner you'll be needin' to buy from rocket's natural born engine farm.
4 people like this.

Reply 44 - Posted by: qr4j 9/16/2021 5:25:53 PM (No. 916755)
Who is getting rich off the batteries in these electric vehicles? I am not just talking about the components, but the waste disposal when they go bad. What are the ecological impacts of disposing of car batteries? There are many other questions, some of which others have already asked here in this thread.
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Reply 45 - Posted by: MickTurn 9/16/2021 8:00:21 PM (No. 916882)
SO when the Electric Car I MIGHT buy catches fire and blows up, are YOU going to be there to cover my losses?
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Reply 46 - Posted by: Kumoan 9/16/2021 8:41:55 PM (No. 916941)
Let's not forget that the primary goal of the running dog left in the west is the total destruction of our culture, and this is just another knife thrust. Not intended to be logical or workable...
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General Mark Milley on Friday defended his calls to his Chinese counterpart during the final months of Donald Trump's presidency as 'perfectly within the duties and responsibilities' of his job as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.Milley made his first public comments on revelations he called Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People's Liberation Army to reassure him the U.S. was not going to suddenly attack China. The general was blasted by the former president and several conservatives for his conversations, including being accused of 'treason'
New York outlaws selling new gas-powered
new vehicles by 2035
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Posted by Come And Take It 9/17/2021 10:35:04 AM Post Reply
Abill signed into law last week by New York Gov. Kathy Hochul effectively outlaws the sale of new gas-powered vehicles in less than 14 years. The law, Senate Bill S2758 and Assembly Bill A4302, sets a goal that 100% of all passenger cars, trucks and off-road vehicles will be zero-emission. The goal is 2045 for larger vehicles, such as medium- and heavy-duty trucks and buses.
Shock: Milley *Confirms* Reporting on
How He Undermined Trump, Committed Treason
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Posted by Imright 9/16/2021 12:26:55 AM Post Reply
On Wednesday, General Mark Milley confirmed reporting of his two conversations with the Chinese military where he committed treason by promising to notify them if then-President Donald Trump were ever to launch a military strike.Milley broke the chain of command in these calls as he took matters into his own hands, breaking the law and committing treason.In a shocking statement on Wednesday, Milley confirmed the reports of his conversations but claimed everything he did was legal and “within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution.”
Virginia Tech professor is slammed by
students after 'apologizing' to them
for being a white, straight female
- and saying that racism is
'innate within the reality of white people'
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Posted by Imright 9/16/2021 2:19:34 PM Post Reply
A Virginia Tech professor is under fire after she allegedly apologized to her students for being a straight, white woman.Dr. Crystal Duncan Lane, who taught human development and family science, is accused of using her Human Development 1134 course syllabus to push her students into addressing inherent biases and racism, according to Campus Reform. 'I am a Caucasian cisgender female and first-generation college student from Appalachia who is of Scottish, British, and Norwegian heritage,' Duncan Lane, whose Virginia Tech faculty page has been deleted,
COVID Politics Takes a Dark Turn, Biden
Administration Takes Control of
Monoclonal Antibody Drugs in Order
to Block Treatments in Red States
and Ration Equitable Treatment
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Posted by earlybird 9/16/2021 12:14:54 PM Post Reply
When Joe Biden’s Health and Human Services made the announcement earlier this month (LINK) that they were taking full control over Monoclonal Antibody drugs (mAb) in order to begin rationing the highly effective treatment for COVID-19 infection, several people sounded alarm bells as there was the potential for rationing of COVID treatment based on political ideology. Representative Chip Roy of Texas was one of the first to raise concerns (link). The change in HHS approach followed republican governor Ron DeSantis of Florida promoting the use of mAb and opening up dozens of treatment centers throughout his state. Other governors quickly took notice of the effective action plan
Furious China issues bone-chilling warning
subs deal could 'make Australia
a potential target for a NUCLEAR strike'
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Posted by Imright 9/17/2021 2:48:38 AM Post Reply
Chinese state media has warned Australia will become a 'potential target for a nuclear strike' after it acquires nuclear-powered submarines.As part of a new three-way alliance with the UK and US, Australia will be given the technology to build at least eight nuclear-powered - but not nuclear armed - submarines as the West counters China's growing assertiveness in the Indo-Pacific region.Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the 'AUKUS' alliance 'seriously damages regional peace and stability, intensifies the arms race, and undermines the Treaty
Something wicked this way comes -- the
midterms will be a Democrat apocalypse
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Posted by Big Bopper 9/17/2021 3:56:41 PM Post Reply
t will be a catastrophe of Biblical proportions. Think fire and brimstone. The Four Horsemen of Joe, Kamala, Nancy and Chuck riding off a cliff. Cats like AOC sleeping with dogs like Bill Clinton (OK, that’s not odd, but it’s sure icky). Locusts. Hillary’s persistent pestilent pantsuits. The first midterm elections during a presidential term are a test that he/she/they/it usually fails. Democrats do particularly badly, since most Democrat voters are not aware of midterm elections of their House and Senate representatives. Heck, they don’t even know who their representatives are.
Nearly 200 People To Be Released From
Rikers Friday After Gov. Hochul Signs
‘Less Is More Act,’ Calls
N.Y.’s Incarceration Rate ‘A
Point Of Shame’
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Posted by NorthernDog 9/17/2021 1:59:12 PM Post Reply
NEW YORK — Gov. Kathy Hochul signed the Less is More Act into law Friday, giving more leniency to parolees. “New York State incarcerates more people for parole violations than anywhere in the country. That is a point of shame for us, and it needs to be fixed. It’s going to be fixed today,” Hochul said. (Snip) Lt. Gov. Brian Benjamin and state Assembly member Phara Souffrant Forrest, who co-sponsored the bill, celebrated its signing, along with other elected officials and criminal justice reform advocates. “When women rule, how things can change, how we can find compassion and understanding and
GOP Redistricting Group Names Chris Christie,
Mike Pompeo and Karl Rove
to Leadership
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Posted by earlybird 9/17/2021 11:39:37 AM Post Reply
Just because the buttons on the GOP vending machine say Coke, Diet Coke, Sprite, Fanta and Root Beer, doesn’t mean the machine slots are filled with anything except diet ginger ale. Cue the audio visual demonstration…. WASHINGTON – […] The National Republican Redistricting Trust (NRRT), in an announcement shared first with Fox News, said that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will serve as national co-chairs of the organization, with longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove joining the group in the role of senior adviser. NRRT president and executive director Adam Kincaid highlighted that Pompeo and Christie “will be tremendous assets as we raise
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