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Posted By: Judy W., 9/8/2021 8:02:28 AM

The Wall Street Journal has a long feature up today on the fact that in larger and larger numbers men have decided not to go to college. But despite its length and depth, the story is too chicken to investigate what may be the leading cause of this trend. Let’s take in some excerpts: Men are abandoning higher education in such numbers that they now trail female college students by record levels. (Snip) But the really interesting detail is conveyed in this bit: Enrollment rates for poor and working-class white men are lower than those of young Black, Latino and Asian men from the same economic backgrounds. .

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Some of these men are in the statistics for drug overdoses. Others have established businesses or become skilled in well-paying trades. The government doesn't care which.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: ROLFNader 9/8/2021 8:21:58 AM (No. 907593)
There's five minutes I'll never get back.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: grumpy3491 9/8/2021 9:13:35 AM (No. 907648)
The fact is that you do not need a college degree to open a small business, become a carpenter, electrician or plumber. Most of the "required" classes in college have little bearing on your future earning potential. I have a BA and an MBA and most of what I was required to learn has had very little impact on my lifelong earning. I worked in non-residential real estate for fifty years and had competitors who did well with no more than a high school education. Of course, way back then the HS education was actually worth something.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: PeteRieck 9/8/2021 9:23:17 AM (No. 907659)
I totally agree, #2. I am in same situation. I've watched people without college degrees, but technical and trade skills become some of the most prosperous, in-demand professionals. I'm not feeling sorry for myself, as a white male, but it gets damn tiring hearing how we are to blame for all the ills of the world and have all of the privilege. I see an "Atlas Shrugged" movement happening.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: red1066 9/8/2021 9:24:11 AM (No. 907660)
The last paragraph sums up I've been saying for years. The educational system in this country is all about helping girls. It's geared toward girls. Boys are an after thought.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Heil Liberals 9/8/2021 9:26:52 AM (No. 907666)
Why go to a place where a) education does not take place; b) you are vilified; c) there is palpable hatred for you based in immutable characteristics determined by DNA, not social construct.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Birddog 9/8/2021 9:29:24 AM (No. 907674)
Perhaps...just perhaps,,,,it has something to do with whyte menz noticing that those that DID go to college now have a "House" worth of debt(owed to the Govt) are still relegated to working side by side and at the same wage as those that did not incur that debt. "The numbers have dropped 50% from 5 years ago",,,because from 5 years ago and back 8 years before that there were few JOBS, particularly for younger folks and to massage the unemployment numbers, everyone, their brother, their cousin'n'them, were pushed constantly and continuously to enroll in every kind of educational "business" in existence(many were brought into existence just to harvest that largess) Many of those people maxed out loan availability, maxxed out time allowed, maxed out their parents patience...and never actually matriculated. Those that did now sheepishly find that framed sheepskin on the wall less valuable than the mirror next to it for hiring probabilities.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: reefdiver 9/8/2021 9:32:13 AM (No. 907681)
Living in a University town (200,000 people), I have watched for years university grads (other than those going into medicine, law,etc,) struggle to earn enough to pay back student loans. Men who go into the trades, however, do very well. Those in the building trades (home builders) are mostly millionaires in a few years. No wonder so many men chose a craft rather than college .
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Reply 8 - Posted by: red1066 9/8/2021 9:33:26 AM (No. 907684)
One more thing. Think of medicine as the education system in this country. It's geared toward women. Back in the late 1800's men out lived women by about five years. The medical community set out to find the reason why, and decided to teach doctors how to treat women with better medical practices. This has resulted in women outliving men by about eight years. If women today were dying earlier than men, it would considered a medical crisis, and billions of dollars would be spent trying to fix this. Apparently the same need to help men live longer isn't a national crisis. There are men's hospitals, but there are women's hospitals that treat women's health issues everywhere.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua 9/8/2021 9:39:58 AM (No. 907694)
You have to be very poor or very rich to go to college. College is expensive. That kind of limits who can attend. Also, how much do colleges set aside seats for woman and minorities? Also, how good a job does public school do getting children ready for college? All of this leads to plan B: Trade school.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: smokincol 9/8/2021 9:50:36 AM (No. 907715)
one does not have to attend a 4 year college to become a plumber, carpenter, pipefitter, truck driver or any such honorable trade which enables our country to function - even in outer space the physicists will plan and execute the mission but it will be up to tradesmen to make it happen - we forget that when someone says they don't want to go to college and study liberal arts, which doesn't prepare anyone to bang a nail or tighten a pipe or regulate how our gas and oil fired furnaces heat our homes - liberal arts education is a luxury for the rich and those who do not want to work with their hands, which is how things really get done in our country
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Reply 11 - Posted by: stablemoney 9/8/2021 9:55:43 AM (No. 907726)
If you want to be free, you have to start a business. The communists don't want you to be free, which is why the first thing they do is put small business out of business. Right now, the pandemic is being used for that purpose, as small businesses have been decimated. We will soon have nowhere other than Amazon, Walmart, and Home Depot. The communists will partner with those businesses to force their ideology down every one's throats, as they are doing now.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: clayusmcret 9/8/2021 10:21:47 AM (No. 907773)
Forget sending your young men and women to college. Instead, help them for life and send them to a trade or technical school. They'll learn a skill that'll pay to raise a family, with the added benefit of not indoctrinating them into communism.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Aubreyesque 9/8/2021 10:22:06 AM (No. 907774)
All good points fellow Ldotters but... you STILL need a degree for ENGINEERING and MEDICINE and OIL/GAS and ARCHITECTURE and all those hard sciences that have helped create the infrastructure and conveniences we are so happy to live with. These things are NOT theoretical and as wonderful are the people who are willing to handle the grunt work (plumbing, electrical etc) are in their fields, there is STILL the need for people who take up the the more advanced aspects of these disciplines. What needs to happen is for colleges to be geared to TRAIN and NETWORK with the private businesses and NOT put a student through course work that doesnt serve their purppose of GETTING A JOB. If the college cant find jobs for the degree they offer then they should no longer be allowed to offer it.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: chance_232 9/8/2021 11:19:05 AM (No. 907840)
I'll never forget when I was contacted by a university trying to sell me on a degree in project management. My response was "so you want me to pay you $36,000 for a piece of paper that says that I'm qualified to do the job that I've been doing for 15 years?" In my opinion, only engineering and the sciences should require a degree. Everything else can or should be an OJT or certification program. Colleges are only interested in maximizing profit and prestige.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: wilarrbie 9/8/2021 12:01:06 PM (No. 907879)
Sidebar off topic but musician Sturgill Simpson has a song called Turtles All The Way Down, and this reminded me of that very fine piece of music. ;-)
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Reply 16 - Posted by: raspberry 9/8/2021 12:38:41 PM (No. 907905)
I just paid a plumber for a day's work more than I earned in a day at the top of my field with two degrees and 30 years experience. But the intellectual attainment can make a degree worth it.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: kono 9/8/2021 2:46:23 PM (No. 908005)
College has evolved into a setting that reduces the risks involved in the transition between adolescent dependence to adult independence. Kind of like training wheels of life. Degrees are of secondary importance, except possibly for those from tech schools (where applicable work skills remain a major focus).
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Reply 18 - Posted by: grumpy3491 9/8/2021 4:49:26 PM (No. 908088)
A few people have insisted that a degree is necessary for engineering and medicine. Ever wonder how the Greeks and the Romans managed to construct all those big buildings without four years of sitting on their butts in an expensive glass cage? Then there is Chinese medicine. The Greeks had a bit of such knowledge too.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: doctorfixit 9/9/2021 4:07:28 AM (No. 908497)
The academic cartel must be broken up. It is unconscionable that we allow taxpayer-paid communists to deny the right to earn a living to millions of young people - especially European-American males - in their ongoing genocidal race and sex war. From the day boys enter preschool they are beat down by feminist banshees. Enough. Nurture the underground economy. Find opportunities for young European-American males. Nurture them, coach them, mentor them. Remove taxpayer money from colleges and universities. Let the communists pay their own way.
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