215 pairs of tiny shoes are laid at Catholic
Church-run 'Indian residential school' in
Canada where mass children's grave was
found: PM Justin Trudeau brands it
'shameful' as ex-student recalls how
classmates would simply vanish
Reuters & Daily Mail [UK],
by
Staff
&
Bevan Hurley
Original Article
Posted By: Imright,
5/29/2021 12:51:58 PM
The remains of 215 children, some as young as three years old, have been found buried at a former residential school for indigenous children in Canada. Those youngsters were students at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia that closed in 1978, according to the Tk'emlúps te Secwepemc Nation, which said the remains were found with the help of a ground penetrating radar specialist.None of them have been identified, and it remains unclear how they died. Survivors fear more bodies will be found at the same site - as well as at the 80 other former residential school sites across Canada. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted his horror
Reply 1 - Posted by:
4Liberty2020 5/29/2021 1:23:22 PM (No. 800141)
Shameful .
God bless these little ones whose only fault was being who they were.
May a millstone be put around the necks of those who did this to God's little children.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
DVC 5/29/2021 1:24:24 PM (No. 800142)
Assuming foul play is just wrong. Absent modern medical vaccinations, childhood diseases wreaked havoc on children until relatively modern times. A large fraction of children just died of flu, mumps, scarlet fever, and a whole range of 'childhood diseases'. A mother who birthed 6 babies was lucky to see 3 or 4 reach adulthood.
While there may be malign forces at work, it may also be just relatively normal attrition in pre-modern medical care conditions.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Geoman 5/29/2021 1:54:59 PM (No. 800165)
Re: #2 - I agree about not assuming foul play. As a geology student in the late '70s, my geology professor took the class on an extended field trip to a few very old cemeteries in Central Texas, mainly to look at tombstones in consideration of the technology of the times. Before sophisticated stone-working tools were developed, tombstones were typically made of relatively soft limestones and sandstones, as they were easier to shape and carve. As technology progressed over time, tombstones were made of harder marbles and granite. While observing the tombstones and the carvings on them, especially the dates of birth and death, one couldn't help but notice the vast number of buried occupants were young children. The professor addressed the issue by pointing out that the early settlers had a shockingly high rate of mortality, with few life span averaging as low as 40 years and with a shockingly high rate of infant and child mortality. There were many causes but a high percentage of the early deaths were simply due to waterborne illnesses caused by various pathogens, like bacteria and viruses.
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As poster #2 and #3 point out, the article fails to present any evidence which suggests foul play or neglect. Without some idea of how many children were in these schools over the same time period, and what death rates were at other residential schools, we can form no valid opinion that any wrong was committed. They just want you to assume that this was an atypical number of deaths for such an institution and that deaths were high because the children were indigenous, that the deaths were because of racism.
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I have a lot more Cherokee bloodline than Elizabeth Warren, and I do not assume this is racism.
But I do assume that for a very very long time the Catholic Church has been doing as they please with children, who are not being observed by their parents.
Did previous posters, who want to assume the best, read how the children were forcibly removed from their parents and that survivors told of the physical and sexual abuse?
This is horrific!
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Catherine 5/29/2021 3:00:33 PM (No. 800218)
Both Canada and Australia have a history of taking newborns away from indigenous people. They were usually placed in schools, raised there, then returned to the strangers who were their parents after they were grown. I imagine babies didn't get a lot of attention in these 'schools' and if they got sick, most died. So sad.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 5/29/2021 3:14:33 PM (No. 800229)
Not trying to be a Pollyanna, but also not assuming mass murder when there isn't any evidence.
I have no doubt that the standards of care at a large institution may not have been even the best available at the time, and this was when "the best available treatments" still resulted in high infant mortality.
I have, like #3, visited old cemeteries in Virginia and even run across forlorn grave markers in deep forests in the Appalachian mountains of the Great Smoke Mountain Park. Hiking well off of trails, literally many miles from any road and we saw a bright white stone slab ahead in the dense forest. A real surprise, no hint of any habitation at all remaining. We, detoured, dropped packs and spent some time reading of three children who were buried there by their loving parents, none over age four, one, IIRC, and this was over 35 years ago, was just 'infant girl' a few days old. IIRC, the dates were in the middle 1800s. Death came frequently and easily to children in the 1800s and even into the early to middle 1900s, regardless of care. With less care, I'm sure death was more common, but even the wealthy lost many children "under the best possible care".
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Lawsy0 5/29/2021 5:00:09 PM (No. 800287)
Now here is a REAL inconvenient truth. Their fingerprints are engraved on Our Father's heart.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
chance_232 5/29/2021 5:26:15 PM (No. 800319)
Re#6. The US isn't exactly blame free regarding the treatment of native children. Native children were removed from their families and raised by the government and given a "proper" education.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
pensom2 5/29/2021 9:22:50 PM (No. 800473)
One of Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln's sons died of typhoid fever contracted through the water piped in--untreated--from the Potomac River. Upstream from the White House, one of the Union armies was encamped. Their human waste was emptied from chamber pots into the Potomac. Outhouses had been dug and erected close to the river as well.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
LaVallette 5/30/2021 9:08:41 AM (No. 800735)
The sensationalism of Our Media Masters:
"The remains of 215 children, some as young as three, have been discovered on the grounds of a former residential school set up for indigenous children."
"It was operated by the Catholic Church on behalf of the Canadian government from 1890 to 1969."
"In the meantime, the tribe is working with the coroner and museums to try to shed further light on the horrific discovery and find any records of these deaths."
The "horrific discovery", in context, is that an institution "with up to 500 students registered and attending at any one time" and where "the principle (sic) in 1910 had raised concerns that federal funding was insufficient to properly feed the students, according to the Tk’emlups te Secwepemc statement." the school over 80 years, lost an average of 2.5 children a year! Wonder what the relative child death rate was among the children left in the Indian reservations and In Canada generally over the same period of time.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
bighambone 5/30/2021 8:15:26 PM (No. 801205)
This is reminiscent of what is said to have occurred at a Catholic home for unwed mothers and babies at Taum, County Galway, Ireland years ago. A few years ago that Irish case was the subject of a UK movie. In that case the nuns were effectively, without telling the unwed mothers, were selling children born at the unwed mothers home, to rich Americans who then took the children to America and raised the children as their own. Apparently up until the 1960s in Ireland an unwed mother had two choices, have the baby at a Catholic home for unwed mothers with the nuns then keeping the child, or going over to the UK to have the child after which the mother got to keep the child and live there indefinitely.
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