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Posted By: Pluperfect, 8/28/2020 4:27:48 AM

Let’s stipulate starting out that Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old from Antioch, Illinois, who has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting two people during the Kenosha riots two nights ago, should not have been present at the scene with a semi-auto rifle. That’s no place for a 17-year-old, even if he is a regular at the gun range. And resorting to vigilantism is a sure path to a breakdown in the rule of law and perhaps even open civil war. We’ll hold off a recitation of Lincoln’ Lyceum Address on this point for some other time, as well as scoring the appalling negligence of Democratic political leaders in Wisconsin.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: chumley 8/28/2020 5:30:31 AM (No. 523395)
As soon as I see the word "vigilantism" I stop reading. Since there is no law enforcement willing to stop the crime wave, either the people stop it with their own weapons or they just roll over and die like they do in Europe. It is not vigilantism when there is no law.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: hoosierblue 8/28/2020 6:50:24 AM (No. 523421)
Perhaps putting a seventeen year old in that situation wasn't prudent but something needed to be done. The police were not allowed to do it, and the snowflakes on the right haven't decided that they have had enough of the riots yet, to stand up. Upon watching several of the videos, it appears that Mr Rittenhouse handled the situation as best anyone could have, being in that situation. He was in a position of being attacked and it and if fear of his life and did what he had to do. Add: I went to see if someone had set up a legal fund site for Mr Rittenhouse on "Go Fund Me" and there was one there , that had just started up. I was called away for supper and returned later to the site link I had made and found that his fund was missing. I went to the search option on the site and and put in his name and it took to a fund for one of the protesters involved in the conflict with him. Later yet I went back in and searched again and found another fund for Mr Rittenhouse and there was a statement on the site that said several of his funds had been taken down by GFM. I donated to him and then about an hour later I received an email from GFM that stating that my donation would be returned in 3 to 5 days. It gave no reason for the return. I checked this morning and the site I donated on was gone, and a new site was start with only $25 in it. I will never donate on GFM again.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: MattMusson 8/28/2020 7:39:28 AM (No. 523466)
If the Police had been there, the 17 year old would not have. Now, he is being wrongfully prosecuted to prove a point and intimidate others.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Roy Davis 8/28/2020 7:45:02 AM (No. 523479)
Kyle is a hero!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: BarryNo 8/28/2020 8:13:38 AM (No. 523508)
I do not quite consider Kyle a hero. Defending yourself is necessary, not heroism. But he was there, all day, in a dangerous place Why did the police stop him from returning to the group he had attached himself too? Who fired the shots? Both the muzzle flash described in the account, and the other shots heard while Kyle's action was going on. Did anyone check to see if the man shot in the arm, who was carrying a pistol, had fired shots? It might explain why he did not shoot Kyle at close range, if he'd already emptied his gun (I seem to recall glock have 13 or 15 rounds in a clip) was he shooting at Kyle? I've heard of veteran police officers who, in a tense situation, emptied their guns at a suspected assailant because a car backfire set them off Kyle was being aggressively attacked, after he was separated from the militia by the police. Was that a deliberate act in an attempt to put a rookie out as easy pickings for the demonstrators? I hope people ask these questions.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DW626 8/28/2020 8:39:36 AM (No. 523536)
This young seventeen year old man represents all of us. ...and I did the same thing as #1, only to scroll and see the comment, lol! Anyways, if there’s no one around that’s sworn in and authorized to protect us, it’s our duty and right to protect ourselves.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: greyseal 8/28/2020 8:47:01 AM (No. 523543)
I was watching the live-stream Monday night and saw Kyle immediately before this incident (didn't know who he was at the time) talking with LEOs and standing with the crowd at the gas station being harassed by the rioters. I've seen pictures of him earlier in the day with others scrubbing graffiti off of a building in Kenosha. It's worth noting that the last person shot (in the arm) who had pulled his pistol on Kyle while he was lying on his back in the street later said at the hospital that he regretted not emptying the whole clip into him (Kyle). I wonder if that was the same person firing the handgun before the first shooting (as noted by the NY Times). greyseal
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Reply 8 - Posted by: RuckusTom 8/28/2020 9:51:07 AM (No. 523618)
This was self defense. However, crossing state lines to engage in armed anything is a bit of a problem. See the case of the Hatfields and McCoys that went to the Supreme Court regarding bounty hunters crossing state lines to capture "suspects" in one state and take them to another. It would be a real big issue if Illinois called up their National Guard to send to Wisconsin to quell riots occurring in Kenosha.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: earlybird 8/28/2020 10:25:09 AM (No. 523667)
Good article. I had to shake my head at the bit near the end about police driving by Rittenhouse, who walked toward them with his hands up, as they were on their way to assist the shooting victims. Some called it “white privilege” - don’t we see masses of photos and videos of these “protesters” and they always have one or both hands up… Absurd.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: bigfatslob 8/28/2020 10:36:51 AM (No. 523685)
Let's clear this right now these are not peaceful protests it has escalated to gun violence while one group destroys property and commits arson these are not the acts of decent citizens. Next you wonder who can go out nightly and commit heinous acts in city streets. Maybe Rittenhouse was there to protect a business of a friend or even hired by the owner of the business people do hire armed body guards it's not illegal. On Facebook social media yesterday the two dead thugs were not upstanding innocent people. The man shot in the head had pedophile charges against himself. The new weapon of choice is a skateboard the man swinging the skateboard was the aggressor when he was shot in the chest. The man shot in the right arm was holding a handgun while clutching his mangled right arm. I didn't know the sequence of events until now but I can tell you, this is not 'vigilantism' this is preservation and it's all coming our way. These people are anarchist in the streets not upstanding protesting citizens while most liberal cities don't have adequate police anymore, Yes we are on our own and this proves it this was a righteous kill if you ask me this could happen to me and you or loved ones.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 8/28/2020 10:40:04 AM (No. 523694)
Somebody had to stop the arsonists, the police were just letting it happen. He needed more people with him, a better trained team, and a few other "procedural problems", but IMO, he was there for the right reasons. And I am not unhappy that two thugs who were attacking him are dead. He deserves to walk away with no legal consequences from this.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: HotRod 8/28/2020 11:16:26 AM (No. 523766)
I take Rittenhouse's side because I have seen that rioters murder people, including police! He had every right to defend himself, and if the rioters who wanted to hurt or kill him suffered, it's their own fault!
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Geoman 8/28/2020 1:00:08 PM (No. 523873)
I do not agree with the author's stipulations. He was doing what many adult Americans have long threatened but have thus far failed to do.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 8/28/2020 4:06:38 PM (No. 524050)
FTA: "That said, there appears to be a decent case that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Who says this? Sit down for the answer: a team of reporters from the New York Times. I’m starting to think someone from Fox News has spiked the water at the Times, as this story makes two sensible news stories in one day from the Times. Or maybe the panic is that high at DNC headquarters." That is amazing. NYT? Wow. IMO, Mr. Rittenhouse is very likely going to be acquitted. The prosecutor has stupidly WAY overcharged at First Degree Murder which is completely not supported by the video evidence. The shots fired by someone before Mr. Rittenhouse fired seem to have escalated the situation into a likely self defense situation. Once you think someone has fired at you, you are on real alert, and further attacks which can be identified are more likely to get a gunfire response, especially at night, with the difficulty see exactly who is attacking, which makes errors more likely. And apparently the aggressor who was shot in the head had attacked Mr. Rittenhouse, some reports are that it was with a Molotov cocktail....described as lit or unlit by various sources. Clearly a lit Molotov cocktail is a deadly weapon. Even an unlit one is very close, only a spark is needed if you are drenched in gasoline. The attack with the skateboard, and that person apparently grabbing the rifle (hard to see, needs to be looked at frame by frame, ultimately) is a real invitation to get shot. Someone taking your weapon in a life or death struggle is completely impermissible, and the standard training is to "shoot them off the gun", which seems to have happened. Grabbing a rifle with the muzzle pointed at your body and pulling is a really predictable way to get yourself shot. Even if the shooter isn't intending, that action can get an accidental shot fired...into the attacker's body. He died after a couple steps, predictably. And the final person is reliably reported to have approached Mr. Rittenhouse with a handgun visible, apparently attacking. THAT is a very clear self defense situation. And training shows that the weapon of an attacker becomes a visual fixation in a gunfight, so hitting the attacker in the arm with the bullet is a common situation....the weapon itself is often hit. You shoot at what grabs your attention. I hope Mr. Rittenhouse will be acquitted. And I hope a lot of these fake tough guy Marxists think again about going out and doing crimes where people may be armed to protect property. They need to understand that this is just the beginning and may very well happen again, and next time with a older, wiser and more skilled shooter, although it appears that Mr. Rittenhouse is a fairly decent shot. Tip to future folks protecting property.....have a team of at least 3, preferrably 4 as a MINIMUM, all skilled, level headed adults. Cover each other's backs, too.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: DVC 8/28/2020 4:07:43 PM (No. 524051)
Actually, #1, Vigilantism is SPECIFICALLY what happens when there is no law. The history is clear.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: NYbob 8/28/2020 4:29:21 PM (No. 524066)
All 3 'victims' had criminal records and were scum. They attacked him with a handgun and a skateboard. Stupid people saying the aggressor was 'only' armed with a skateboard are welcome to let me attack them with one and we would soon see how their opinion changes, if they survive. You will NEVER find this information about the attackers in most media. Thank heaven for the internet - https://themadtruther.com/2020/08/27/kenosha-all-three-anarchist-rioters-shot-have-violent-criminal-histories/
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