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Posted By: Big Bopper, 5/2/2020 10:16:02 AM

American universities once attracted students from around the world. Prestige places like Harvard and Caltech did so, but it also happened at good state schools like the University of Illinois, University of Texas and even my own alma mater, the University of Colorado. The scientific education was second to none. Even outside of science, a broad-based humanities program thrived. As an engineering student at CU, my required curriculum included two full years of “Great Books” where we studied Socrates, Homer, Virgil, Chaucer and Milton. But then some interrelated things happened.

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Well. I suppose as a last resort, they could go back to teaching stuff.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: franq 5/2/2020 10:20:14 AM (No. 398427)
Hey, in the interim we could use the dorms to house the displaced subway dwellers. Liberal compassion, let's see it.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: lakerman1 5/2/2020 10:38:54 AM (No. 398450)
there is a click bait on my screen, which identifies the 25 worst colleges and universities in the U.S. Many of those are historically black schools, and some of them I have never heard of. (that., in itself, is unusual, since I spent most of my working life in Hiogher Education recruited for our graduate program, and did mailings all over the U..S.) There are lots of examples of dying schools, in my opinion. Notre Dame College - get it? Notre Dame College in Cleveland Ohio, formerly female, but now coed in a desperate attempt to stay open. Lake Erie College in Ohio, formerly female, for girls and their horses! Both schools mentioned added men's sports, including football, to try to survive. And one of the presidents from Lake Erie College moved on to Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pa., as president, made SATs optional, and has sold off some assets - a radio station, and a satellite campus. the stench of death hangs over too many schools. Survival is the first goal of any organization.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper 5/2/2020 10:44:13 AM (No. 398454)
As usual Glenn is right on.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jesuslover54 5/2/2020 10:44:34 AM (No. 398455)
Easy "A"
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Reply 5 - Posted by: NorthernDog 5/2/2020 10:50:35 AM (No. 398460)
This is a good line- Objective truth requires hurting the feelings of those who believe in things that are false.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 5/2/2020 10:53:37 AM (No. 398467)
Start with Oberlin College.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Highlander 5/2/2020 10:57:29 AM (No. 398473)
In 1972, I had a psychology professor that announced that everybody enrolled in his class gets an automatic “A.” The catch? You had to attend every single lecture, take all the tests and quizzes, to make the effort to hang on to that grade. Miss a class, lose a point or two. Didn’t score well? Miss another point. By the end of the semester, just a few managed to keep the “A” freely given at the start. I thought that was kind of unorthodox but hey, whatever worked worked.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: hotcorner 5/2/2020 11:06:39 AM (No. 398480)
Timely and great article. Not only are their too many colleges and universities, they are way overpriced and teach too few practical skills. How about more trade and industrial programs - real jobs to support the growth of US Industry and commerce being brought back by the President?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: IowaDad 5/2/2020 11:09:33 AM (No. 398482)
The purpose of education is to maximize each student's probability of having a fine career, building a great family and community. None of these objectives is met by indoctrination with para-sexual psychobabble, fake assertions of equality and watered-down Marxism, coupled with endowing students with a sense of entitlement and victim-hood. Universities should only receive public support if they publicly agree with, and actually act on, these concepts
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Reply 10 - Posted by: anniebc 5/2/2020 11:32:37 AM (No. 398505)
Ah, "The Canterbury Tales" and "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight." I had a teacher freshman year who read and spoke Middle English very well; it seemed like he talked that way all the time, though. :)
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 5/2/2020 11:58:39 AM (No. 398538)
All the racist and sexist departments, who create nothing of value, only hate and division, should be eliminated, at minimum. The departments teaching actual skilles, medicine, biology, botany, engineering, materials science, accounting, architecture, and civics, etc. are valuable and needed. Even history and literature - if they stick to the actual great literature of European and American writers, and actual history, not the leftist lies and racist rewrites that the NYT is trying with their 1629 Lie-Fest, are valuable.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: msjena 5/2/2020 12:10:08 PM (No. 398555)
What is the purpose of college? If it is job training, then what is the purpose of 4 years of study? It doesn't take 4 years to complete training for business, engineering, accounting, or even pre-med. College was supposed to be "higher education," where students would be exposed to literature, philosophy, science, --ie, the Great Books. But the cost became too much to justify studying those things in anything but a cursory way. If I had it to do over again with my daughter, I would have had her delay college for at least a year to decide if it was really necessary for what she wanted to do.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Lawsy0 5/2/2020 12:19:36 PM (No. 398566)
Close those hallowed halls of ivy if the institution first started out as a school for the Christian clergy, then turned against said teaching. Princeton. Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, etc., etc. While looking up Harvard, I learned she was first known as Holy Harvard. That particular acorn fell quite far from the tree. She is NOT alone.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: hershey 5/2/2020 12:25:58 PM (No. 398576)
The problem with all this 'inclusiveness', 'diversity', 'liberal arts', 'humanities' is you can't get a decent job after you get that worthless piece of paper...They need to teach Science, Engineering, Reading and Writing....not how to please the LGBTwhatever current 'trend'...
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Reply 15 - Posted by: NYbob 5/2/2020 12:27:12 PM (No. 398579)
Fresh out of Graduate School with my MFA I thought I would teach art or design at the college level. Got an interview at one of the State Colleges of PA. Things were fine during the interview until we got to the question of what would I do if I was teaching an Art History course and I had someone on a football scholarship who took the course as an elective, but didn't show up for class. I stretched my standards as far as I could and said, well if they show up, but don't do the work the best I could do would be to give them a C. If they never showed up for class, I would fail them. The interviewer looked at me and sort of smiled and thanked me for coming, but of course I never got the job. I taught a few art courses as an adjunct professor over the years since, but after realizing there were never more than one or two students in any class, with the talent and ambition to survive using their skills in the world after college, I was done with 'higher' education. Actually teaching someone anything demands a lot of commitment on both sides, with all the support the school can provide. That is a lot harder to find than it should be. The real game is suck the tuition money from everyone you can using any means possible. The idea that you would point to a really high standard of skill required to survive and thrive, that many don't have it or realize they don't want it and that they should change priorities or leave, THAT idea is not allowed at most colleges.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: RuckusTom 5/2/2020 12:35:56 PM (No. 398592)
The government takeover of student loans is just like the government regulations imposed on the housing market in the 90s and 00s. Give loans to anybody and everybody with a heartbeat so they can get a house / college degree (whether they can afford the house, or they're getting a degree in Queer Studies) and the whole house of cards will eventually come crashing down.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Catfur27 5/2/2020 12:53:53 PM (No. 398606)
....HOW is it that universities that used to charge students $200- $400 /year for tuition in the 1970's ( that's what I paid at State Un of NY at Buffalo 1970-74) ....are NOW going broke while charging students $20,000 - $40,000 /year....??.... I don't believe it's all due to "1000% inflation" since the 70's ...?? ...Maybe it's because there are too many, overpaid, professors ?? ( see : Elizabeth Warren...who reportedly gets $400,000 /yr to "teach" ONE class at Harvard ...??) ...Seriously - Why aren't there "independent " studies done on how this has happened ...?? ...But MOSTLY....I think they should close down 50% of the Law Schools....immediately.... really...there are waaaaay too many lawyers already in this country... they are the source of most of the ridiculous laws and restrictions that lawyer-dominated legislatures in every City, County, State, and Washington, DC pump out every year....they are the source of innovation-killing and economy-killing lawsuits ....they are the source of frivolous lawsuits that drive businesses and individuals into bankruptcy... The "hidden added costs" of their laws impacts everything ...and it is staggering ...Also important : ...a LOT of top students going to law school are inherently bright... but they watch/believe TV....where lawyers are good-looking, rich, and do exciting work ....any one of us that has had dealings with those in the legal system knows what a fairy tale that is... BUT...what if these bright kids instead went into science, medicine , or business ...??...wouldn't the Country be much better off ?? ( in theory)
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Rumblehog 5/2/2020 1:19:14 PM (No. 398629)
Glen says what I also believe, that universities are linked with Federal subsidies and also the textbook industry that effectively creates a triad of control... the education-publisher-government complex. Most undergraduate courses do not require a new book every year, or even a book at all. Why can't the professors of the university be responsible for all undergraduate materials? I had one course where the Professor was using us, his students, to proof his manuscript for his book that was being published the following year. That saved me money! Why even kill trees these days? Put everything on-line and available with authentication.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Rumblehog 5/2/2020 1:26:41 PM (No. 398636)
#7, that grading system is how it works in Ranger School in the U.S. Army. Every student starts with 1,000 points, but during the duration of the course, points are taken for all sorts of reasons, and needless to say, it's a helluva lot easier to LOSE points than it is to GAIN them. Eventually, if the student doesn't quit, or get ejected for an egregious act, and manages to retain at least 700 points, he graduates as an Army Ranger.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Mofongo 5/2/2020 1:59:14 PM (No. 398668)
I have come to the unhappy conclusion that the only segment of our society that hasn’t been completely corrupted is Small Business, which must be why the Establishment is always gunning for it.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 5/2/2020 2:13:23 PM (No. 398678)
#7, clearly he was using psychology on the students.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: or gate 5/2/2020 2:29:33 PM (No. 398682)
The virus is helping with closing some Colleges.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Vaquero45 5/2/2020 3:35:15 PM (No. 398709)
Interesting and well-written outline of what’s happened to higher ed in America. Beaton mentioned my alma mater - Illinois. I went there in the early 70’s. They still have first-rate programs in engineering, accountancy, business and computer science; the rest, I think, went the way of every other university. A few years ago, a big panel of “experts”, mostly professors in women’s studies and sociology and other useless disciplines, decided to end the U of I’s Institute of Aviation because it wasn’t “central to the mission of the University.” The graduates of the Institute became pilots, flight instructors and airframe & powerplant mechanics; some (like me) went on to obtain degrees in other colleges of the University and the rest got jobs in the aviation industry and went to work. I guess getting a job isn’t “central to the mission” anymore.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 5/2/2020 3:47:55 PM (No. 398715)
Attended The University of Iowa 72 to 76 on a trumpet scholarship. Loved most of my music classes...although if our Ear Training teacher started drawing butterflies on the board, we left because he was stoned! But...taking classes in Economics, Latin, Literature...my ADD turned my brain Hard OFF! Finally quit the insanity, got a job and never looked back! I can only imagine a Conservative Alpha Male being in class with militant feminists and Soy Boys? Wow!
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Reply 25 - Posted by: DVC 5/2/2020 4:20:24 PM (No. 398734)
I hate to burst your bubble, #12, and I sort of get your point, but I busted my butt in college for 4. 5 years to get a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. It is not really feasible to do in under 4 years and four years only is a REAL challenge. A year of chemistry, a year of physics, three years of mathematics starting with calculus and analytic geometry, going up to matrix algebra, differential equations, partial differentials, and then second course in partial differential equations, several quarters of materials science, two quarters of fluid dynamics, a year of thermodynamics, one quarter of kinematics, two quarters of mechanical systems design, a quarter of engineering economics, several quarters of computer programming, design labs, a quarter in materials selection with lab, and I am sure I missed some stuff here, this is just off the top of my head. Add in the civics, humanities, history, and other "well rounded student" classes and it was a damned full 4.5 years! My understanding is that most students take 5 years to get the bachelor's degree in engineering today. And when I was done.....I was convinced that I didn't have all the learning that I needed to be the kind of engineer I wanted to be, so I went for a master's degree and spent 18 months more on graduate level studies of many of those same topics which were covered relatively briefly in the undergrad courses. I'm sure that other courses of study for "job training" can be difficult to complete in less than four years, too. A MD degree takes four years of undergrad and then four more of Med School, plus lots of training in the residency.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: red1066 5/2/2020 4:44:42 PM (No. 398747)
Colleges were once about turning out well rounded and well read students who were looked upon by businesses as great prospects. That ended about 45 to 50 years ago. Now, unless one is studying in a technical field or a medical field, it's just four years of putting off one's job search costing tens of thousands of dollars.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: Aubreyesque 5/2/2020 5:28:08 PM (No. 398773)
I agree with #25 ... believe it or not there are still some careers where a four year degree is necessary ie sciences. There are junior colleges that handle the more technical careers but the recipients of that training can only get so far in where they can go in the field, engineering and medicine in particular. My daughter is majoring in animal science. She had started out with the goal of just getting certified as a vet tech...but even then she could only get so far in pay scale and position. With a four year degree her options broaden. Universities have indeed become far too bloated by people and politics looking to justify their career as a college student - professors USED TO be looked up to...but I am loAthe to toss the baby out with the bath water.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: doctorfixit 5/2/2020 7:57:26 PM (No. 398875)
And all taxpayer money should be removed from the ones that stay open.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: toddh 5/3/2020 10:03:23 AM (No. 399296)
In the late 80s, helping a friend with remedial algebra, I was aghast that the textbook was "teaching" by telling students what keys to hit on their calculators, and only later going back to show the algebra behind it. IOW, they learned to find quadratic roots using a calculator *before* they learned to complete the square and derive the quadratic formula. The logarithm button does logarithms - whatever those are! This is, *at best*, rote training. It is not education. BTW, it only solidified my opinion that those who don't know algebra don't belong in college.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: franq 5/3/2020 10:35:08 AM (No. 399323)
And that, my friends, is why #25 is one of my most esteemed posters on this board. He did the real heavy lifting and it shows.
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Posted by Judy W. 5/3/2020 8:46:35 AM Post Reply
“Where’s the Beef?” was once just a funny (yet successful) advertising slogan. But now, it could soon be an actual question on the minds of many shoppers. Amid the coronavirus crisis, some are calling attention to the coming meat shortages the United States faces as the virus continues to ravage our economy. Rep. Thomas Massie has been sounding the alarm for weeks, and the Kentucky Republican recently introduced the “PRIME Act” in an effort to address the coming crisis. The congressman is right to be concerned. (Snip) We could soon see farmers unable to keep their farms afloat, livestock killed in mass with no means to be sold, and hungry
Subway closure 'outright disaster'
for the homeless who have few
safe shelter options, advocates say
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Posted by NorthernDog 5/2/2020 9:14:50 AM Post Reply
Homeless New Yorkers will face an even more threatening and dangerous situation when the city shuts down the subway system from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m., according to advocates. The shutdown was announced by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio in a joint press conference on Thursday. Cuomo said closing the subway for those hours would allow the cars to be sanitized every 24 hours during the novel coronavirus pandemic. De Blasio said that it would also benefit any homeless people who ride the subway during that time. "If you're not going back and forth all
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