Reply 1 - Posted by:
DVC 4/24/2020 1:59:11 AM (No. 389559)
Hard to know for sure.
When you avoid something, you cannot ever prove what didn't happen. I'm sure we will have "experts" on both sides of the issue haranguing us endless on why "it was the stupidest possible thing to do" or why "it was the only sensible course of action".
Really, we will never actually know. But I am certain that we will be endlessly told about it by both sides.
I'm sick of it already.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
EQKimball 4/24/2020 2:11:52 AM (No. 389563)
The political tension on this subject in California is palpable. My Democratic acquaintances are fiercely opposed to coming out of our basements in the near future. Some project the lockdown lasting "well into the fall," and then possibly returning periodically "for years to come." My guess is they really mean "four years to come" if Trump is reelected. Fortunately for them, they have high-paying government jobs or guaranteed pensions. Hearing about damage to the rest of the economy is a non-starter and all about corporate profits and greedy investors.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
bighambone 4/24/2020 2:31:52 AM (No. 389565)
Right now the American people are suffering because of a massive overload of information thrust upon them by media talking heads who have run out of things to say, other than repeating the same corona virus information over and over again. A game those media outlets have been playing is to seek out as many variations of opinion and speculation as possible from public health doctors, politicians, and down to unqualified people on the street. The media then uses the data that they have collected to create controversy and sensationalism designed to panic and worry their viewers.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
NotaBene 4/24/2020 3:22:41 AM (No. 389577)
It was a calamity. Fortunately Sweden, where children attend school, will keep US honest. The Déplorables want to work. A place to start is opening the beaches where mothers can take their children play in the sunshine. Sun desinfects and this is springtime. We need haircuts and manicures and pretty women and restaurants o take them out. The Chinese Communist Party virus is a nasty cold caused by an attempted HIV vaccine gone wrong in the Wuhan Institute if Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. The Bill Gates models that caused This cowardice remind US of the Global Warming hockey stick promoted by Francis I.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
JL80863 4/24/2020 3:34:57 AM (No. 389580)
Thank you #1. There may be a few rational people left after all.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
judy 4/24/2020 5:27:11 AM (No. 389599)
Brit Hume, Tucker & Laura Ingram ... the only sensible people on Fox.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/24/2020 6:03:53 AM (No. 389615)
Thank you #4. I see we still have many with logic and understanding of these matters. Some are still pretending that it did not happen, riding the fence or is living in the mushroom farm.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
JimBob 4/24/2020 6:17:03 AM (No. 389619)
"a massive overload of information"
BigHamBone (#3) I must respectfully inform you that you misspelled "misinformation"
(not that I'm that great a speller myself!)
I think President Trump is doing a fantastic job, working with partial information, modifying his position as more information is available, and exercising what I see as a good amount of common sense.
On the other hand we have the Democ'RATS and much of the Media (but I repeat myself) attacking everything President Trump does.
The Media (ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/NPR/AP/NYSlymes/WaPooPoo are doing nothing other than confirming that they are a bunch of lying fools, trying to gain political advantage even if it destroys our beloved Nation.
I fortunately live in one of the less-populated States, we have a smart and competent Governor, and he's doing what I see as a good job.
We have a few local politicians who have gone off the rails, but fortunately for me, not where I live.
I am reminded of what President Theodore Roosevelt said about the naysayers safe in teh viewing stands, but that the credit goes to the man in the arena, who fights, gets bloodied, gets knocked down again and again, but gets up each time and continues to fight.
Thank goodness we have a FIGHTER for our president right now!
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Would somebody wake up TRUMP and tell HIM?? The USA is being destroyed while Trump pleases the ones that WANT the USA destroyed!!!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Urgent Fury 4/24/2020 6:39:09 AM (No. 389636)
If polls keep showing that very few Americans trust the Enemedia, then why are so many people so frightened? I've believed this to be overwhelming hyped media Streisand from the very beginning. The numbers aren't there to support any of this,
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
privateer 4/24/2020 6:43:24 AM (No. 389640)
Great comment! It is hard to think of a more apt description of our fighting President than TR's Man in the Arena. Those naysayers and snipers in the stands are guilty of fanning the flames of destruction. The media are out in the parking lot...breaking into cars.PoSoros owns the concessions.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
PCMM 4/24/2020 6:53:53 AM (No. 389650)
Trump got played and it was obvious from the start. You don’t freakin’ amputate the arm because you’ve scraped your elbow. He sacrificed 20-25 million lives to save patients with a long list of comorbidities. If you want to say the virus is worse than they’re telling us, then that’s on him, too. If it’s truly a bio weapon, then it was an act of war. Whatever the case, Trump’s actions do not make sense (e.g. the CDC guidelines that count MI or TIA deaths as Cv-19) and every little bit of this economic pain (which has turned into the killer talked about here since this website’s inception re: gov control) is on him. Funny how there’s NEVER a “Republican” judge or doctor to the rescue yet when the POTUS does something Dems don’t like, some leftist judge shuts it down. Embrace the suck ... it’s what you get when you take violence off of the table when dealing with an enemy who wants to destroy you.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
ARKfamily 4/24/2020 7:08:11 AM (No. 389662)
Excuse me but I don't think Trump got played. He cares about this country and the people and I will not succumb to that line of thinking. Hindsight is always 20/20 but given who he is, even the deaths that occurred sadden him.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
gone2pot 4/24/2020 7:14:01 AM (No. 389667)
It's here, we've done this to ourselves. The virus is real. NONE of the numbers are real and certainly not the models. Like NYC, give out HUGE monetary rewards for each chicom virus death for hospitals and a mere few days later, there is a hockey stick graph of HUGE numbers of chicom virus deaths at NYC hospitals. Color me skeptical about those chicom flu death numbers. My turnip truck wounds over the War on Poverty and its "wonderful" results healed decades ago. Hence my seemingly heartless concern. The economic disaster to our nation is as real as the virus and MUCH more deadly. But, common sense is certainly not a common virtue anymore and there WILL BE economic consequences like BAD deflation (yes, there is a kind of deflation that is very good. This rapid deflation like oil prices ain't the good kind) followed by huge shortages that may last for weeks or months creating unseen inflation until the shortages catch up with demand.
It's not whether there was an over reaction or not. (there was Rio Lindans). It's what's in the Uncle Sugar mills to mitigate any kind of death they use as a foil to induce fear and panic and their subsequent "solutions" from here on out. Can't wait to see what Uncle Sugar Teet does when July crude contracts are still below twenty bucks a barrel and there's still no pork ribs in the Wally World meat coolers..
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
ARKfamily 4/24/2020 7:17:33 AM (No. 389670)
Have you noticed now when we want to restart the economy the anti-Trumpers are in full gear trying to get people to panic again? I am noticing it. . .
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
FunOne 4/24/2020 7:31:31 AM (No. 389685)
I want this to end because I have had cataract surgery canceled twice in the past month and I need to clearly see what appears on Lucianne.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 4/24/2020 7:47:37 AM (No. 389700)
After this is over people will figure out that we shouldn't have done the devastating lockdown of 2020 and will be very angry.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Rinktum 4/24/2020 7:49:23 AM (No. 389703)
It is doubtful if we will ever know the impact the lockdown has had on society, but what I cannot understand is all the doom and gloom about businesses never reopening. Why would that be? If they were successful before why wouldn’t they be again? People evidently wanted and needed these services so who is to say they won’t be wanted and needed once more? I think it is just a lot of talking down the future economy. I believe if we open up people are going to want to go about their normal lives. They will be eager to get out there and do what they always have done. This whole period of inertia will result in a renewed appreciation of commerce. People will frequent local establishments because they have experienced life without them and they don’t like it and will genuinely want our fellow Americans to succeed. It may be different in the beginning because fear is playing a huge part in our lives at the moment. People will be cautious especially those in the high risk categories, but we cannot continue like this. It is economic suicide. President Trump is right, our country was not built for us to sit and fret. We are doers. We are workers. We want to work and most of all, we want out lives back.
It is shameful that this crisis has been so politicized owing to a dishonest and partisan media. They will be anxious to report anything negative when we are allowed to get back out there and they will blame the President. The death toll will be reported on every nightly newscast. Regardless of this shameful conduct, we have to take the risk. We have seen what tyranny looks like because we are living a form of it now and most Americans do not like it. We are a people who have not lived with the government boot on our necks and it does not sit well with us. Freedom is part of our DNA. Do not tread on me and live free or die have renewed meaning for most of us. All the protests we are seeing is the indomitable American spirit rising up against petty tyranny. We can do this.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/24/2020 7:50:07 AM (No. 389704)
Mister Lefty displays some common sense. That's the big surprise here.
The lockdown across the entire world was something we had to do given the disastrous numbers that the medical "experts" were spouting. It should have been lifted once the truth was revealed, but no, the democrats had their "crisis" and it's not going to waste.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
MickTurn 4/24/2020 7:53:39 AM (No. 389707)
The only silver lining I've seen is the Democraps have proven they should all be in quarantine, not for CV19 but for a variety of bad things...they are ALL Communists, Dictators, Low LIfes, the list is endless! They cannot be trusted for any office or hold any power.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
PCMM 4/24/2020 8:08:48 AM (No. 389723)
There will always be sanctimonious lemmings who’ll follow the leader to their death completely convinced it was the right thing to do. Can’t help but feel the swamp rats and anti-Trumpers in the administration saw this coming a mile away (this isn’t hindsight 20/20 but a no-brainer from the start) and sat quietly knowing that the ONLY person who could take out Trump was TRUMP. The very same people who love to beat on the VHA have embraced the highly-politicized, DEMOCRAT, federal health professionals that Trump is following. Gee, what could possibly go wrong when you take advice from a hardcore Hillary lover that thinks we’re deplorable? Answer: Everything.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 4/24/2020 8:23:30 AM (No. 389742)
My observation over the years is that in the face of a crisis leaders from Congress on down to governors, mayors, and base commanders all feel the need to be seen doing something, anything, and so rush to do the simplest thing they can think of, then stand back expecting a pat on the back for having done something, regardless of how insignificant or destructive their actions may have been. My hat's off to those handful of governors who resisted the urge to join the cattle call to shut down their states while destroying their economies in the process.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
rsgonner 4/24/2020 8:27:15 AM (No. 389748)
In the Spanish Flu we lost 675,000 people in the US. We practices most of the same isolation techniques we have now, as that was the only thing we knew....but we didn't collapse the country. The depression came 10 years later and was unrelated to the virus. The difference was that in 1918 the dems didn't hate our country and actually wanted everybody to recover. That is NOT the case today. Hatred of Trump is stronger than love for our country.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
felixcat 4/24/2020 8:27:23 AM (No. 389749)
I do think President Trump got played by the so-called experts Fauci, Birx (enough with her scarves!), and every other medical expert. He got played because he does care about this country and its citizens and was between a rock and a hard place. Don't listen to the "experts", people die and Trump gets blamed. Listen to the "experts", not so many people die, he still gets blamed but not for trying to help.
I blame Fauci, Birx, etc. They have blood on their hands and have had it on their hands for decades. The CDC support for the Wuhan Bio Lab, etc. I am disappointed that Pres. trump criticized the governor of Georgia but a can of worms has been opened and it's going to get ugly before it gets better. I think Trump fell for his belief that his mere power or personality, etc could somehow fix all this. Remember his eagerness to meet with Mueller 'cause I can talk to anybody, I'll straighten him out, ...? Nope - not going to happen.
I am tired of the daily WH briefings. Yeah, we know, the so called journalists are idiots,. Sick of seeing and hearing Fauci and Birx.
I am still going to vote for Trump in November (assuming the Left doesn't try and shut the elections down somehow - the new seasonal flu!) but it will be with much less enthusiasm because there is no alternative He thinks this economy is going to just bounce back - really? He got played bad on this one.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
msjena 4/24/2020 8:28:51 AM (No. 389750)
Yes, is is calamity but what was the alternative? Or maybe what was the known alternative? What we knew at the time of the shut down was that the virus was devastating Italy and spreading throughout Europe. Even if there was no Federal guidance on the subject, the states were going to shut down. People can talk about Sweden, but it has basically sacrificed its elderly population. Can anyone imagine if we did that here? Many there are also voluntarily staying at home and there are restrictions on large gatherings--no more than 50. So no churches, theaters, sporting events, etc. I am praying for God to intervene in this disaster and hope others will do the same.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
Quigley 4/24/2020 8:31:26 AM (No. 389754)
I have wondered what Trump’s real view of all this is. He shut down the flights to and from china at the end of january; a move of incredible magnitude. S
Sometimes I think he knows this has gone too far and that the dims and their familiars in the media are hoaxing this into a monstrosity. After all, the purpose of the lockdown was to slow the spread while the healthcare system got prepared, not to stop the soread.
But the thing now has a life of its own with governors proclaiming everything is worthwhile if it saves even one life. But no thought to the other side of the equation: i wonder how charitable contributions are doing and the services to the needy that they pay for? I suspect not well.
Yes, when the numbers don’t materialize there will be a reconsideration. George bush was a victim of his own success, with some people believing there never was a threat because of his success in dealing with it.
I don’t know if those who consider the scope of the lockdown to have been too great will blame Trump for having led us into it.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
Urgent Fury 4/24/2020 8:39:09 AM (No. 389764)
I don't believe Trump got "played" per se, but I think when you're the president and you have doctors who are widely considered experts coming at you with the hysterical numbers they started out with, you have to make the safe call. But hey, now start to end it.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/24/2020 8:52:04 AM (No. 389778)
The left has learned much from this virus. To create and sustain a lockdown with no legal authority whatsoever while the left continues to pout about the outcome of the 2016 election.
I, too, question the premise that small business is gone for good. No way this is true. We happy to be Americans and possess the most adaptable economy in the world. But, ok, many businesses have hemorrhaged money during this crisis. But, these very same business will re-assert themselves as our economic engine. After the msm is destroyed...for good, that is.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
StormCnter 4/24/2020 8:54:17 AM (No. 389781)
We all know what is said about hindsight. This pandemic was an unexpected and ill-prepared-for calamity. All a president can do in such circumstances is listen to the experts and try to siphon the information leading to the appropriate actions. George W. Bush had to do the same thing (only more quickly) after 9/11.
There will always be critics. There will be media, and many with a D on their voting records, screaming that Trump listened to the wrong people and jumped in the wrong directions.
We will never really know what moves might have been better or even been worse. What we must do is stand firm in support of the President while we rebuild our country. No one in America can seriously visualize Joe Biden in charge.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
rusino 4/24/2020 9:02:05 AM (No. 389787)
Well it’s started!..for weeks Trump has been called too slow on shutting things down! Now the Jackals are saying Trump has caused a Calamity by shutting things down!
Damed if he didn’t! Damned if he did!
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 4/24/2020 9:08:16 AM (No. 389795)
It was all a panic hoax to 'get Trump' wreck the roaring economy, ruin America all for hatred.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
msjena 4/24/2020 9:09:45 AM (No. 389797)
Thank you, #29.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
Shells 4/24/2020 9:25:07 AM (No. 389813)
Bravo, #18!
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
planetgeo 4/24/2020 9:27:18 AM (No. 389815)
Those Democrats and enemedia who have been enjoying this lockdown so far, and even demanding that it be extended, like some nice long staycation are about to get a giant dose of Karma19. Being stupid, they haven't played out what's about to happen.
Namely, those nice safe government jobs (agencies, cities, counties, schools, colleges, etc.) with their nice regular checks are about to get sucked into a black hole. The first signs of furloughs, layoffs are just now coming in. In about two more weeks, it's going to be non-stop wailing and sirens going off. That's because (for those out there born without the Math gene, i.e., Democrats), if the people who work real, non-government jobs can't work, there are no taxes (Sales, Property, etc., etc.) collected. If no taxes, then no money for all those nice safe government jobs with their nice regular checks.
Boom! Karma19.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
Daisymay 4/24/2020 9:35:09 AM (No. 389824)
I've said it before, and I will say it again. It's high time Trump cuts loose his Advisors. He needs to go with his gut and throw this country open. No more talk about "maybe June" or maybe summer! No, do it NOW! Some will continue to hunker down in their homes until a Vaccine comes out in months and months, and some (like me) will throw open my door, grab the car keys and head for the Hairdresser, nail salon, Bealls and Homegoods! I'm ready! I don't want to be in this house one day after April 30th! My Governor, DeSantis, is on the fence as to when to open. Someone needs to give him a giant shove off that fence and let us get back to normal. Our part of Florida has nothing happening. There is no good reason to keep closed a thriving community that generates millions of dollars to the State. Let the Hospitals take care of themselves. They don't need money. They can re-schedule the surgeries and re-coup that money in no time! Get this country up and running and another stimilus won't be necessary.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
stablemoney 4/24/2020 9:59:36 AM (No. 389860)
Shutting the economy down was a huge mistake. Options were not discussed, or considered, a gigantic failure. I voted for the first 3 years of Trump. This year looks like Hoover and FDR, and I do not support any of it. Trump would not normally be re-elected with 26 million unemployed, now 16% of the labor force. The only thing that will save Trump is Biden and the Democrats, who are corrupt, lying, obnoxious, and 100% wrong. Trump, go back to the policies of the first 3 years. Tell the doctors to go and take care of the sick, rather than spending their days with the media and politicians. With a never ending crisis and separation of people, many industries cannot recover, including hotels, restaurants, retail, gyms, dentistry, optometrists. The energy disaster will take several years to right itself. This is a self inflicted disaster. Leave the bats alone, and quit sending money to China to research bats to kill us with.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
MDConservative 4/24/2020 10:10:48 AM (No. 389877)
This will have reverberations for many, many years. Imagine a young kid today being traumatized because school is cut off, friends are isolated, mother's in a tizzy watching "experts" on COVID-TV 24/7, dad's home and sweating out his job and future...this is like kids surviving the bombings in WW2, or the Great Depression on fatback and dandelion soup.
Government has shown convincingly that it can use "experts" to drive extreme public behavior, to the point of making neighbors snitches. Americans have shown convincingly that their rights are readily surrendered, those few now protesting notwithstanding. We have gone so far that people who ought to know better advocated the expropriation of private property by the President under his specious invocation of the Defense Production Act to manufacture respirators - even to the point to sending in our military to FORCE their production. Let that soak in...and that's not the Dems and Libs, either.
Experts armed with bad models and worse data manufactured this crisis. The government and media provided the other ingredients for hysteria. And now here we are. HEROES, one and all.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 4/24/2020 10:10:57 AM (No. 389878)
Only one response to Brit will do. 'Welcome to the party Pal!' It is about time the media starts admitting they screwed up big time, supporting the panic and fear mongering of Fauci and Birx. Who by the way are being exposed for being the unethical money chasers they are.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
ivehadit 4/24/2020 10:17:02 AM (No. 389888)
While the GOVERNORS are in charge of reopening, it is up to We the People to let them know. It appears that most states can start phase 1 now. And some can go to phase 2. No one is stopping Brian Kemp from opening.
With all this said I will say, I am pleased that we have a President that was NOT willing to risk 2 million lost lives by doing nothing. That is a risk NO politician should ever take, imho. Our president has done a magnificent job as have *some* governors. Silver lining: Much has been exposed for all to see of the stupid social experiments the left has perpetrated on us for years. Down the drain now!
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
msjena 4/24/2020 10:17:10 AM (No. 389890)
What could have been done to avoid the shut down if the states--like Illinois--issued shut down orders? Would Congress have acted to stop it? Obviously not. Did anyone file a lawsuit to be allowed to stay open? Not to my knowledge. The country basically shut down on its own out of fear of the unknown and unknowable.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Red Ghost 4/24/2020 10:18:21 AM (No. 389894)
Trump was caught between a rock and a hard place. He asked at one of the earlier pressers, who started this shut down theory? I never heard him ask it again. I think his gut was to shut down people coming from other parts of the world but not shut down our economy. The early models and catastrophically wrong models showed millions of Americans dying from this Chinese disaster. I don't think he had a choice at that point. When the models started to change the stampeded had begun and doing a 180 for Trump and reopening at that point was impossible. Now Trump says if we didn't shut down the country, millions would have died. I think deep down, he doesn't believe that but now you gotta go with it.
I think it will be very hard to reopen, because people have been so frightened that they are going to die, that even when restaurants and gyms and whatever opens people are not suddenly going to venture out. I have had friends tell me they won't go out just to be a guinea pig. My response is that we have all probably been exposed to this virus since October or November and we didn't get sick. Moreover, I have a number of friends with small businesses. The way the first PPP was crafted, their staff will get paid more if they don't return to work so, many of their staff will not be returning UNTIL their aid runs out. Small businesses that don't rehire their staff by June will not get their subsidies. We can thank the Democrats for putting that additional money piece into the bill. Keep those unemployment numbers high. And that was deliberate.
The Chinese virus has wreaked havoc on the world economy and more pointedly our economy. I agree with Rush when he says the Chinese perhaps didn't release this thing on purpose, but once it was out they weren't going to be the only economy to suffer. With agents for China in our media and our society, (watch Tucker Carlson's interview with a senior partner from McKinsey) the plan now is to depress this economy even further and as Trish Reagan said, this is impeachment number 2. Catastrophe is not a big enough word for what has happened to us all in the last two months.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
usingthebean 4/24/2020 10:36:36 AM (No. 389917)
The ultimate response should be taking a page out of the lefts play book. Never let a crisis go to waste! To be able to
accomplish something you would normally not be able to achieve.
Time to flatten the curve of big oppressive, bloated, bureaucratic government. Start with the Dept. of Education,
and re evaluate how education is delivered. The Dept. of Energy and re think what energy independence means to our county
Go right down the list of the bureaucracy and flatten the curve of our bloated overlords
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
BGray2 4/24/2020 10:42:10 AM (No. 389929)
Well Duh.
Anyone who was going to get and have serious complications from the virus is still going to get and have serious complications. The whole idea behind the lockdown was to try to keep the hospitals from being overrun. Mission accomplished. Its time to start letting life get back to whatever normal we can. High risk people should still keep themselves safe, but the rest of us need to get back to work and get the country running again.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
starboard 4/24/2020 11:04:00 AM (No. 389961)
Many good comments on this thread. I'm of the opinion, it's time to strategically open up the economy starting May 1st and to close down the press conferences asap. Also, no assistance to the states and their preexisting debt.
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Reply 45 - Posted by:
Arby 4/24/2020 11:27:22 AM (No. 389994)
Hindsight is 20/20 but that's not the game we're playing. New virus; new game plan. The trick is to stay on top of things, be prudent, alert and prepared to make difficult decisions. The president is doing a superb job, as always.
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Reply 46 - Posted by:
mc squared 4/24/2020 11:38:34 AM (No. 390009)
I certainly wouldn't downplay the effects of the virus, but we had 10 years of Global Cooling, 10 more of Global Warming and now Climate Change. CV-19 coming as it did when the warmers were out of hockey sticks, the media is far too enthusiastic about the morbidity rate. Why believe ANYTHING they say.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
H.L. Mencken
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Reply 47 - Posted by:
EQKimball 4/24/2020 12:04:21 PM (No. 390035)
A presidential cabinet is a good place for a decision with broad implications and many moving parts. Next to a declaration of world war by Congress, shutting down America is probably the broadest and potentially most consequential decision made in this country since Abraham Lincoln. Medical advisers should have been only one part of the equation. If this was also the advice of the Secretaries of the Treasury and Commerce, they should share ownership and widen the target of criticism.
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Reply 48 - Posted by:
Highvoltage 4/24/2020 12:33:14 PM (No. 390068)
The same people who are vulnerable to the virus will be vulnerable from now on when they come out of lockdown. Don't count on a vaccine to protect us. Flu vaccines are only about 50% effective and some flu seasons less than 30% effective. The people will decide when to open the country, not the governors, not the mayors and not the county judges. If they try to use police force to keep people home they will find there aren't enough police and it will be a catastrophe. The people rule! People that want to stay home will and those who do not won't. Open the country now.
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Reply 49 - Posted by:
4Justice 4/24/2020 1:24:32 PM (No. 390117)
No, the president did not get played. The problem is that there wasn't much he could do considering the situation. Governors and Mayors closed everything down. It was NOT the President. The media fueled the fires and lit more. This was the greatest domestic attack on our country in history. It was the culmination of all the concerted efforts by the left from the last century to destroy the country as it was founded and the one man who they know can save it from their plans to take over. They perpetrated the largest propaganda and disinformation scheme ever in history by taking advantage of people's fears. Unfortunately, Trump had to go along to some extent to save lives. He doesn't want American lives to be lost. Besides, people nowadays would never allow him to make any trade-offs of lives, even though it is unavoidable and weighing the pros and cons is the right thing to do because people will die anyway. So, what do you do when the media AND doctors overinflated the death rates (which doctors are not supposed to inaccurately report) and every death is sensationalized on TV, the Internet, radio and video? How do you go back AFTER the fact and try to correct all the lies being broadcasted 24/7 in nearly every outlet? People are worse than panicked. They are mortified too. They don't want even one person to die, which is unrealistic and unreasonable. On top of it all, this virus keeps mutating and now we are hearing of healthy young people dying, not just the elderly and the people with other illnesses. This virus is not predictable because often it depends on how the host body reacts. The biggest problem is that people will show mild or no symptoms and suddenly their immune systems will go into overdrive and they jump into critical condition or die without a warning. How do you tell people that there is not much to worry about and just go back to work? Yes, we need to get the economy going ASAP, but as many here said, the President is in a tough position and has to walk a tightrope to some extent. President Trump has done a fantastic job regardless of his critics. But the only way to get us back up and running again is to find ways to broadcast the TRUTH everywhere and find a way to expose the manipulators for who they really are. Also, don't let the big companies take advantage of funds that belong to SMALL businesses. Cut them off and penalize them AND the banks who made loans against policy. Stop creating stimulus bills and paying off states for their COVID losses. Let businesses who want to open do so. People are protesting (thank goodness) and I think more will start speaking out if we don't start up more soon. Will the economy rebound? It can, but it will depend on how soon we start behaving normally and stop printing and doling out money at every turn.
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Reply 50 - Posted by:
RedWhite&Blue2 4/24/2020 1:45:12 PM (No. 390137)
You can whine that President Trump “got played” (a racist term if there ever was one) but the truth is that he has handled this beautifully!
And he will slaughter Bite-me Biden in November!
And the economy will roar back like never before!
Despite all the moaning hear we will ALL be smiling in November!
Get over yourselves!
Veterans for truth
Veterans for DJT 2020...and beyond!
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Reply 51 - Posted by:
Citoyen 4/24/2020 2:43:21 PM (No. 390218)
I'm afraid President Trump did get played. Among his assertions early on that stick in my mind is that the virus had to wash through the country. As Sweden is on the verge of proving herd immunity is necessary especially when there is no possibility of a vaccine any time soon. The rapid rise of infection in New York city and the crisis in Italy helped change his mind. He then, disastrously but very understandably, turned the matter over to the "experts." Never in history have medical experts had such a pernicious effect on public policy. It's small comfort that nearly all the rich countries on earth also made the same mistake as the USA. Sweden, despite universal condemnation, including Trump's, wisely went its own way refusing to shut down its economy and ordering its people to hide at home. When the dust settles it will be impossible to deny that the Swedish way is superior to what our country and Western Europe put their people through. I don't completely blame Trump but I strongly suspect he knows that he erred. He's not the only one to have put his trust in the "experts" to his and the country's detriment.
President Trump has a tightrope to maneuver to rectify the catastrophe. Since the shutdown is what his political enemies wanted it will be difficult for the Democrats and media to attack him on that level, although it could be possible. What Trump needs to do is push Fauci politely aside and bring in people who know that the goal must be to attain herd immunity and to reach that goal the shutdown must end immediately and the citizens given the opportunity to work towards normalcy. Concentrate on the few hot-spots. Bad-mouthing Georgia's governor for beginning that process is not a smart move and seeking to print more money for his hobby horse of infrastructure spending must cease. I'm sure he can change course and get this country back on track.
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Reply 52 - Posted by:
TaxGuru 4/24/2020 2:44:03 PM (No. 390221)
I believe that Trump gave more power to Fauci and Birx than he really wanted to in an effort to counter the "anti-science" label that he has been branded with ever since he refused to go along with the man made global warming hoax. Unfortunately, he did end up putting too much trust in scientists who are obviously as objective and unbiased as the pretend journalists in the MSM.
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Reply 53 - Posted by:
kono 4/24/2020 2:49:37 PM (No. 390224)
"Possibly" and "Colossal" seem like major understatements in Hume's characterization.
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Reply 54 - Posted by:
LadyHen 4/24/2020 3:48:12 PM (No. 390280)
Our local doctors in Nashville have been on the news pleading with people to come to the hospital if you need emergency care of any kind. The hospital censuses are rock bottom and their precautions are thorough but people are terrified of hospitals. One doctor said he has had 14 cases ranging from strokes to head wounds to broken bones NOT come to the ER until hours later due to fear of Covid overrun hospitals and the possibility of getting infected by the virus itself at the hospital.
This careless, thoughtless panic-demic created by "experts" and spread by the media has and will continue to kill people who need medical care!
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Reply 55 - Posted by:
Deplorable G. 4/24/2020 4:26:28 PM (No. 390321)
I live in the Rogue Valley is southern whoregon. People are coming out as traffic seems to be back to normal. The parking lot at our local wally world seems to have about the same amount of cars as they did before all this happening. Yup we are on a lockdown order,so what. I don't know anyone who has received a 'stimulus check yet either. Just sayin'... check'
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Reply 56 - Posted by:
Kafka2 4/24/2020 4:33:01 PM (No. 390327)
Brit Hume is correct. Looking back, avoiding crowds, washing hands often and social distancing was, and still is a good idea. So is wearing face masks in public. However, the lockdown, imposed by many states, as opposed to the more moderate mitigation efforts – is a colossal public policy calamity. At the time, the "scientific experts" were projecting ten times the number of cases requiring hospitalization and deaths from the virus. A lockdown seemed justified at the time. However, many ridiculous and draconian restriction were implement that did nothing to slow the spread of the virus. Later facts revealed that most of the "flattening of the curve" was due to the more moderate mitigation efforts.The only thing the lockdown did was do major damage to our society and the economy, Businesses were closed and jobs lost, many never to return.
We are now trying get out of the hole created by the lockdown.
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Reply 57 - Posted by:
red1066 4/24/2020 5:48:06 PM (No. 390459)
I guessed from the start this was going to be a disaster. Governors were given the power to close down everyone's life with no guidelines or consequences for their actions. Remember, this shutdown was promoted as a two week action. Then it was another two weeks with no real ending date. Meanwhile, all of these doctors appearing on TV were handing out conflicting information with different goals to end the shutdown, and each day the goal to get back to normal changed. It took awhile, but I'm talking to more and more people who are fed up with the shutdown and willing to take the slight risk of getting this virus.
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