Fauci Resurfaces – NIH Panel Recommends
Against Hydroxychloroquine Treatment…
Conservative Treehouse,
by
Sundance
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
4/22/2020 10:18:57 AM
Ever since the COVID-19 effort shifted focus toward re-opening the U.S. economy, National Institute of Health (NIH) Allergy and Infectious Disease, Director Anthony Fauci has been less visible.
This step-back allows Dr. Fauci to better position himself for maximum political damage when the operatives deploy Fauci as an expert antagonist who recommended against re-opening; which frames the soon-to-be deployed ‘dangerous Trump‘ narrative.
This political plan is helped by the virus having a greater negative impact on minorities.(Snip)
with Fauci’s crew working on the Bill Gates objective for global COVID-19 vaccinations; the NIH today recommends against any treatment for the coronavirus using a hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin cocktail.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Alecto2 4/22/2020 10:36:44 AM (No. 387596)
Agree OP. It should be made illegal for the CDC to take donations. $100m from the Gates Foundation would not influence Fauci in the least! /s
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
MattMusson 4/22/2020 10:40:20 AM (No. 387602)
The latest medical paper on HCQ showed that people who got HCQ did not fair better than people not given HCQ.
BUT - in the conclusion they admitted that the people who received HCQ were MUCH SICKER TO BEGIN WITH.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
oldmagnolia 4/22/2020 10:40:41 AM (No. 387604)
I noticed lab rat Fauxi was not in the briefings Sunday and Monday. I wonder why.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
stablemoney 4/22/2020 10:49:09 AM (No. 387618)
I do not like Fauci and would never seek his advice, which I consider not in my interests, nor worth my time or money. It is embarrassing he is on the public payroll. He should be on the DNC's payroll.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Foont 4/22/2020 10:49:49 AM (No. 387619)
Be sure to read the original article and especially the comments. The effort to discourage use of HCQ borders on the criminal.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
earlybird 4/22/2020 11:05:21 AM (No. 387641)
It should be remembered that only those who were in hospital (which meant they were very sick) were allowed to be given HCQ/Azithromycin “cocktail”. Physicians were not permitted to prescribe it for their patients.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/22/2020 11:17:17 AM (No. 387657)
Fauci has a conflict of interest with big pharma. Get rid of this clown.....now.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Jesuslover54 4/22/2020 11:21:56 AM (No. 387661)
Fauci is digging his grave with his mouth. He should dig Bill Gates' while he's at it.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Zarin 4/22/2020 11:25:07 AM (No. 387667)
Read the report - the NIH statement is neutral - the NIH did not recommend nor advise against nor issue a mandate not to use. The subjects of the 'study' were very sick already with underlying conditions. Median age was 64 etc.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
jeffkinnh 4/22/2020 11:35:40 AM (No. 387683)
The potential problem with azithromycin and heart issues was mentioned weeks ago. So a responsible doctor might substitute a different antibiotic in place of azithromycin for patients that might have heart problems. The bureaucrats trying to steer this are obnoxious idiots.
Note the language: "The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation ... QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death."
So there is an "association" with a heart electrical pattern that "increases the risk". Did people actually die from this "complication" or is the study just anticipating it might be a problem? If it were a problem, how often does it occur? One in 1000 uses? One in 2 uses?
Meanwhile, comparing deaths of patients in severe condition given the medication vs. those in non severe condition not given the medication is almost meaningless. The range of affliction for the virus is known to be anywhere from NO to trivial symptoms to severe symptoms and death. Their results could probably be replicated without any medication involved; the more ill patients tended to die more frequently than the less afflicted.
These are professionals doing these studies? These the same guys that botched the testing early on?
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Zarin 4/22/2020 11:37:08 AM (No. 387686)
Just saw this from an email: Patrick Howley on Twitter: "BUSTED: One of the authors of the "study" saying HCQ does not work at VA hospitals got research grant from Gilead, making a competitor drug to HCQ plus azithromycin, deaths not substantial enough to rule out other factors.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Hermoine 4/22/2020 11:46:40 AM (No. 387701)
The reason that HDCQ did no work in the VA study is (a) they were giving it to people who were ALREADY really sick and (b) they were not giving the needed cocktail, just HDCQ -- the cocktail that works best for treatment is HDCQ, azithromycin and Zinc sulfate -- in the proper combination and dosage. An outpatient doctor in NYC metro area has given this drug to 405 patients who PRESENTED with COVID-19. Out of the 405 -- 403 fully covered w/o having to be admitted to the hospital. Two died but from other problems, not related to the drug cocktail.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
lakerman1 4/22/2020 12:03:05 PM (No. 387727)
about a month ago, I suggested, on this site, a relatively simple research project, focusing on the NYC area.
Here it is.
identify, through pharmacy records, those individuals who were taking chloraquine of hydroxychloraquine for lupus or rhuematoid arthritis prior to the outbreak of Kung Flu.
compare those who caught or did not catch Kung Flu in the group to the general population in the NYC area who caught the Kung Flu but were not on the medications.
do a multivariate analysis by age, sex, race, other medical conditions.
The results would help to see if the medications helped to avoid or minimize the effects of Kung Flu. and the research could be done in one month,with the help of some grad assistant science nerds.
How simple would the research be? Even a retired Business professor could do it. (that would be me.)
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Wendybird 4/22/2020 12:26:44 PM (No. 387762)
There were warnings about potential azithromycin related cardiac toxicity long before it was suggested empirically as a combination with hydroxychloroquine. Patients like the “Z-Pack” because it is quick and easy, once a day, short course and usually no adverse effects. Use of hydroxychloroquine was suggested because of the observation that people using it for autoimmune disorder, Lupus, didn’t seem to get the virus. There needs to be a controlled study using only hydroxychloroquine. I don’t see that this has been done. This is inexcusable. The NIH advice is not based on reliable information, and is foolish.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Skeptical1 4/22/2020 1:03:51 PM (No. 387809)
People (including Sundance) are getting too stirred up. Read what the NIH recommendation actually says:
https://covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapeutic-options-under-investigation/antiviral-therapy/
First of all, the recommendation is only pending the results of on-going clinical trials, to allow the risk vs. reward to be properly evaluated.
Second, the recommendation is not against HCQ alone, but only against HCQ combined with Azithromycin. Unlike HCQ alone, the panel felt that the combination with Azithromycin is too risky without better data to justify the risk. And they cite evidence of the risk and describe the flaws with the data. But again, they note that better data is coming, from the clinical trials currently underway..
Trump haters see this disappointing news as a victory, but intellectually honest people looking for an effective therapy don't need to see it as a defeat.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
DVC 4/22/2020 1:06:56 PM (No. 387813)
Hydroxychloroquine is not necessarily any sort of "magic bullet" and we should very much avoid "lashing ourselves to the mast" on this off-label drug use. It is being used at the hospital where a friend works, and as long as docs see it as being effective, it should be available to use, but if there is something better developed, it can be quickly replaced.
In an emergency, you use whatever seems to work.
Seems to me a bit like if you were stuck in the desert with a car that needs repair. You would use whatever tools you had, and might improvise with a straight screwdriver on a phillips screw, which can work, to a degree. But as soon as you get a proper phillips screwdriver, you would stop. It doesn't mean you were wrong to use the tool you had, just that there might be better ones available at some later time.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
earlybird 4/22/2020 1:12:20 PM (No. 387818)
Azithromycin is well-tolerated by many. When a weeks-long bronchitis thing a few years ago was stretching into months, my trusted pharmacist said that Z-Paks were the medication of choice to cure it. It worked for me and I have been able to take it several times since. Unable to take penicillin and the fluoroquinolones (cipro, etc.), I was glad to find an effective antibiotic that I could tolerate.
Medication is a very personal thing. Every med has side effects - some lesser, some greater. It is up to the individual’s physician to know THEM and what they can or cannot be given.
What I’m seeing n the reporting on HCQ this week is the anti-Trumpers blasting the medication that “Trump recommended”.
Important that we read entire articles, not just headlines and intros. Read from trusted sources. Read carefully, and then use your good minds. I see too many drivebys on our threads who haven’t done any of that. Lucianne oldtimers will attest to our not having so many of those around here in the past...
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 4/22/2020 1:47:19 PM (No. 387875)
No Fed agency should ever be allowed to take a private dime from anyone. That makes the agency the minion of the donor, not an agency of Government. Fauci needs to be unceremoniously booted as hard as Trump can kick him from the Trump team. If Javanka is advising Trump to ignore Fauci's undermining, they need to be booted as well. Those two were not elected to anything.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
zoidberg 4/22/2020 1:52:53 PM (No. 387883)
I 'm a proponent of "right to try" but based on the available evidence, I don't think I would take HCQ if I got Wuhan Flu.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
SALady 4/22/2020 2:25:10 PM (No. 387915)
If I am 75 years old, and laying in the hospital having a hard time breathing, and you give me the choice of almost certain death or taking this drug and maybe dying anyway, I'm taking the drug!!!!
Until they come up with something better, this has the best track record out there.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
JackBurton 4/22/2020 2:48:57 PM (No. 387931)
My only hope is that lawyers will sue his sorry butt in years to come...
...when they finally have the clinical trials they demand and those trials confirm all the 'anecdotal' evidence... which is still evidence.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
earlybird 4/22/2020 3:37:44 PM (No. 387982)
What #20 said. This drug is far from being an unknown. Those of us who have followed this for some time now know that it may not have been given early enough. As for off label use, that is so commonly done now that most don’t even know about it. Gabapentin, an anti-seizure med, is routinely given post- some surgeries as it has been found to be effective with nerve pain. Pamelor (nortriptyline), an old tricyclic antidepressant, is given to patients suffering from nerve pain. That is an “off label” use. Most do not have a clue as to how much “off label” prescribing goes on. It is not as sinister as some, lacking medical knowledge, would have us believe.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
Boliver 4/23/2020 12:57:54 PM (No. 388947)
Bill Gates: Sure, my Dad was on the board of planed parenthood - an organization founded by a eugenicist, and yes, I've talked about the need for population reduction for years. And sure, I want you to take my vaccines and get chipped. And ok, maybe India kicked us out after our immunization campaign was blamed for paralyzing 490,000 kids. And yeah, there was that whole 'coronavirus pandemic' simulation my foundation spearheaded late last year which modeled 65 million dead. BUT, hear me out... s/o
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