The CDC Confesses to Lying
About COVID-19 Death Numbers
American Thinker,
by
Matthew Vadum
Original Article
Posted By: Magnante,
4/9/2020 5:11:50 AM
Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?
It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us. (snip)
That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.
We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
mizzmac 4/9/2020 5:25:54 AM (No. 373504)
I doubt that the lies surrounding this "pandemic" (starting w/ China, then the WHO, then the CDC, then state and local officials and agencies) will ever be unwound. Yes, a novel disease reached our shores. Then we were bamboozled into committing societal suicide.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
franq 4/9/2020 5:54:15 AM (No. 373513)
Well they're not letting up. Drudge informs me a single cough can infect an entire store. Have to get my temperature taken at the checkpoint this morning before I am allowed in to work. My company is in it hook, line, and sinker. But this is the same company that thought it was important that I know the VP of Human Resources is gay. Happy days are here again.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 4/9/2020 6:18:42 AM (No. 373531)
Let's keep those numbers UP so that CDC, Drs. Fauci and Brix can add some legitimacy to those flawed models that they used to tank our economy and push the panic button.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Gruntmedic 4/9/2020 6:57:24 AM (No. 373545)
He lives in one the prettiest places on Earth.
He's the second Dr to bring this up.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
planetgeo 4/9/2020 7:24:48 AM (No. 373564)
Biggest. Medical. Panic. Hoax. Ever.
The human race has not yet advanced beyond the "shaman" era. Still being scared into doing stupid things. Just different techno-voodoo now.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
The Remnants 4/9/2020 7:29:03 AM (No. 373570)
The more we are learning about the so-called "experts", the more we question their motivations -- and their responses.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Bur Oak 4/9/2020 7:31:55 AM (No. 373571)
Here's a link to the CDC guidance document for certifying Chinese virus deaths. Read it for yourself. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
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Sadly, we have to remove the awe previously associated with "scientist" in our mind.
These people are political hacks with fancy degrees as their weapon and statistical models as their tool.
I use the teenage model here: If they will lie to you about one thing, they are probably be willing to lie about everything to cover their first lie.
They are telling lies about deaths, vaccines, safe testing, spread of the virus, origin of the virus....all to accomplish their goal. One world government, 10% tax...
I guess FDR was right with that "nothing to fear, but fear itself".
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
ROLFNader 4/9/2020 8:09:24 AM (No. 373613)
It is worth the time to watch the YouTube video of this brave woman as she explains what is going on with the CDC. This is a U.S. government organization like so many others that take it upon themselves to dictate to us- and we are to just sit here and take it. There is little difference between the CDC and the WHO as is the case with so many of our federal agencies and their international counterparts.Must be something in the water in Kalispell. Those of us who have the good fortune of visiting this site for decades will remember Frank Miele of the Daily Inter Lake ( currently with Real Clear Politics) .
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
dst4life 4/9/2020 8:10:21 AM (No. 373615)
Of course, lying goes on in the medical field. I am a nurse, and I've seen it. Doctors sometimes doctors fudge progress notes so they can keep patients for extra days. Otherwise, the census drops, and staff must be sent home or asked not to come in. Then they lose money, particularly if they don't have vacation time.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
BeatleJeff 4/9/2020 8:12:23 AM (No. 373617)
I saw a meme on Facebook a couple days ago that quipped "a skydiver who jumped out of his plane without out his parachute died of COVID-19." accompanied by a picture of a man jumping out of a plane wearing just a speedo. It was both funny and dead serious in how it nails the bureaucrats for labeling COVID-19 responsible for every death whether it was or not.
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And who among us did not suspect this was the case all along? I once knew a man who contracted the "flu" (who knows what strain because once again autopsies are not routinely done), struggled mightily with it for 18 days, but finally succumbed to it and died. The doctors put on the death certificate that he died of the flu. That was what I am sure was entered into the national data base. Yet, this was also a man who had already deteriorated from as many as 12 years of Parkinson's disease. All deaths are tragic but what national purpose does it serve to hide the truth regarding Wu Han flu case deaths that also have severe underlying causes? There's an ulterior motive here and I suspect it is shaping up to be a massive CYA project.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Rinktum 4/9/2020 8:32:02 AM (No. 373648)
Let’s just go with the assumption that every agency in our government has been politicized and none in favor of Republican policies and we will not be surprised when this kind of thing happens. It appears that science and math is not exempt from partisanship. These unelected bureaucrats fervently believe they are there to make the rules and enforce them regardless of the will of the people. We expect numbers from the CDC or any other agency to be free of political bias, yet here we are. Everyone in government appears to have an agenda and it is not one favorable to the American people. We are becoming more and more like the citizens in the movie, The Hunger Games, who slavishly produce whatever the elites desire and then must fight to the death for their entertainment. I do not trust or like the government. It has become secretive, tyrannical, and oppressive and as a freedom loving American that is abhorrent.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
gone2pot 4/9/2020 8:38:25 AM (No. 373657)
My tin foil hat take is; Russia flopped, Kavanaugh flopped, Ukraine flopped, impeachment flopped, 24/7/365 Orange Man Bad flopped. All the while, Trump rally size and Trump enthusiasm, NEVER reported by MSM, NOT ONCE, EVER had to be stopped somehow, some way. Enter a lethal virus from China, at first denied by the Marxists that they ALL (CDC, WHO, MSM, Democrats) said was nothing to worry about and to worry about it meant you were a racist zenaphobe including Fauci, to make Trump look bad (when he DID prepare and plan for it as early as January with Pelosi and Schumer openly calling him names for doing so) until it was time to reverse that opinion in a nanosecond. At the Marxist reversal point, EVERY player (CDC, WHO, MSM, Democrats) then condemned Trump for doing EXACTLY what they were doing seconds before their switch yet Trump NEVER did what they did. At the reversal point, the immediate need to destroy everything the American people did in the past three years with Trump at the helm was the ONLY thing the Marxists did. And, of course, who follows the Marxists along like lap dogs yapping for a Milk Bone? EVERY Republican leader. RINSE, FREAKING REPEAT. I must say, using a deadly virus and releasing it on the entire globe to stop Trump, ultimately stop YOU, and destroy the world's economic engine is impressive.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Dodge Boy 4/9/2020 8:48:45 AM (No. 373671)
It's because the CDC is run by a never-Trumper. Cooking the COVID19 stats was designed to instill the panic that the msm was all too happy to create and spread. If Billary had managed to get elected, today's virus pandemic would be regarded as just another bad flu season.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
MickTurn 4/9/2020 8:50:48 AM (No. 373673)
The WHY they did it is simple Leftist Dogma...Never let a crisis go to waste, if we have to blow it up to make it look worse, better for us. If you catch us, so what, the MSM will cover our sorry rears!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
pros7767 4/9/2020 8:53:42 AM (No. 373679)
#14, I agree with everything you said except it is not impressive. It is DESPICABLE, SICK, AND DEMENTED!
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
JackBurton 4/9/2020 8:57:30 AM (No. 373684)
Follow the money.
Doctor on TV last night (Ingrahm Angle) reported that Medicare pays $13,000 for a patient admitted who is recorded as having the Wu Flu. Pays $39,000 if the patient goes on a ventilator. I'm guessing that they pay a lot less for Flu patients, pneumonia patients, patients with accidental amputations, etc. So, why not pad the figures?
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
czechlist 4/9/2020 9:07:23 AM (No. 373696)
Regardless of CDC recommendations, normal mortality rates are known. At the very least they should be subtracted from current rates .
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
walcb 4/9/2020 9:12:49 AM (No. 373709)
Yes death certificates need to be taken with a grain of salt. I do genealogy research and read many death certificates and have never read one that says "the doctor or nurse screwed up, patient died". In one case I know a guy was murdered based on newspaper reports. The death certificate read cause of death: "shotgun wound". The doctors who fill out these certificates can be as specific as they want to be. Most certificates, if not all, have lines that state cause of death followed by contributing factors--this needs to be filled out accurately if we are to learn anything of value.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
Strike3 4/9/2020 9:18:38 AM (No. 373715)
We have been on to them since the beginning. Anybody who questions the almighty elites are called conspiracy theorists. Their deceit is not necessarily lying, it is human nature to be as large and important as you can be to gain attention.Some want fame, others want money but it's the same story with the UN, the Green Weenies, the scientists who have been studying cancer for a hundred years, our universities. It's much easier to do when people like Greta Thunberg are scared. There are many useful idiots with their faces on TV every day. Most of these people are small and irrelevant until they get a chance like this. Our outrage should be commensurate with the deception,
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
24tea@Mag 4/9/2020 9:19:10 AM (No. 373718)
Great article. Another way to control the populace, get more money for cities and states (specifically NY), make headlines.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
seamusm 4/9/2020 9:37:16 AM (No. 373737)
On one hand she is right - the death certificate cause of death is most often some caregiver's best guess based upon either the current symptoms and/or past medical history. Test results or autopsy findings are hardly ever available to know the cause of death for sure. That doesn't make public stats lies or the CDC a liar. That is also why it takes years of analysis before data is understood - why 2017 US flu deaths are still years later surprisingly imprecise. No one seems to understand that yearly influenza mortality is simply the number of deaths during the flu season which exceed the usual monthly baseline average of death from all causes. It is just a simple presumption or explanation why more people die during the months we know flu is circulating. And we know that most of the flu deaths aren't directly related to influenza alone but the stress that getting the flu places upon people already at risk from heart disease, etc.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
hershey 4/9/2020 9:39:07 AM (No. 373738)
'Highly respected' my conservative posterior...obammie did a number on them like a lot of other gummint offices...and now they admit they LIED...is there no honor, no morality, in the government????
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
kono 4/9/2020 9:40:35 AM (No. 373741)
Who 'says he lives in one of the prettiest places on Earth', #4? Nothing in this article refers to where anybody lives, or whether it's pretty or not.
And why is that even salient to this discussion?
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
thehutchcom 4/9/2020 9:44:07 AM (No. 373746)
Has anyone compiled all of the various stories of a person dying and then the relative comes back and they've been relabeled as death by COVID-19? There have been a number of them. A good idea for an investigative report, there.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
marbles 4/9/2020 9:45:36 AM (No. 373748)
Died OF corona virus or died WITH corona virus. Big difference. Major difference when it comes to insurance reimbursement....thousands and thousands of dollars are involved. And the skewing of the statistics.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
marbles 4/9/2020 9:47:13 AM (No. 373751)
My mistake, million upon millions of $$$$$$$$$$$ are involved.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
bigfatslob 4/9/2020 9:59:03 AM (No. 373765)
I saw stupid displayed on tv last night, Dr. Brix. I wouldn't consult with that person for one second. Doctor of what?
A fake death toll to keep us scared and wreck the economy it's a leftist America and President Trump hating dream come true.
If the left can't have America for themselves then wreck it so nobody wants it.
I wouldn't count deaths world wide just in United States and give accurate numbers but this is ridiculous to keep a lie going. What next a Jimmy Carter style daily 'misery index'?
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“There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics.”
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Bohallx 4/9/2020 10:32:56 AM (No. 373823)
Amazingly, almost none of the 35,000 regular posters on the internet has ever bothered to look at a signed death certificate.
There are spaces there roomy enough for attending physicians and coroners to indicate many "causes of death" ~ that is "co-morbidities" ~ You could have both influenza and corona infections plus a heart attack, massive strokes involving both a femoral blowout and an aortic dissection, and AUTO ACCIDENT!
That does not mean you didn't "die with corona".... you had it, you died, you go into the corona count as well as all those others.
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
Trapper 4/9/2020 10:38:08 AM (No. 373833)
They are also lying to us by selectively releasing information. For example, 70% of deaths are Black. Then they jump directly to the unsupported conclusion that it is related to diabetes and heart disease. But nowhere do they tell us how many of those who died had sickle cell or other blood related conditions. Their failure to disclose that is highly suspicious, because if there is a relation to sickle cell that indicates that this is a blood issue, not a lung issue, and all the emphasis on ventilators is completely misplaced and outright dangerous.
If the deaths are NOT caused by the lungs failing to process oxygen, but by the blood's failure to receive it, then we have been on the wrong track. Similarly, the deliberate attempts to downplay hydroxychloroquine would also indicate we have been on the wrong track, since HCQ acts on the blood's ability to carry oxygen, not the lungs' ability to transfer it.
Question everything. We are being lied to about a lot of things.
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
VirtuDawg 4/9/2020 10:38:35 AM (No. 373834)
Can someone tell me anything what this "expert" Dr. Fauci has been RIGHT about over the past three months?? Anything????
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
Skeptical1 4/9/2020 11:24:48 AM (No. 373914)
So the official death count is an upper limit. That's good to know, because the per capita COVID death rate in California is much lower than most other countries I've looked at, including Sweden. Are other governments better liars than ours? Odd that Sweden would be exaggerating its numbers, because it's supposed to be a place that's trying to take the epidemic in stride.
I would imagine that most COVID deaths occur in the hospital, so a lot of the uncertainties surrounding death certificates that Doctor Bukacek describes in her video may not apply to this disease. It would be interesting to know how many hospitalized patients are tested, and when not tested, how difficult it is for a clinician to differentiate COVID from other respiratory illnesses.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
DVC 4/9/2020 11:38:30 AM (No. 373941)
"Lies"? Overwrought. People are really getting way overwrought on this whole thing.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
LadyVet 4/9/2020 12:09:14 PM (No. 373983)
Re #15, 19:
Yes, the situation definitely encourages hospitals to over-report, even exaggerate, the numbers. Keep in mind also that "elective" surgeries and procedures have been halted and that such surgeries provide a lot of profit to hospitals as it is easier to predict the exact cost of them and to avoid costs associated with negative outcomes. That is another reason hospitals will NOT send patients to the Navy ships; the hospitals need the revenue to make up for the revenue lost on all those profit-making electives.
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There is a crude but reasonably accurate way to reconcile the CDC’s claims of Covid-19 deaths to the actual deaths attributable to the virus:
1) calculate the average number of deaths (from ALL causes) per day in the US for any lengthy recent period, say, March 15, 2019 to March 15, 2020,
2) then calculate the average number of deaths per day (again from all causes) in the US from March 16, 2020 to present which corresponds to the window of Covid-19,
3) the variance between those two numbers multiplied by the number of days in the second calculation will approximate the number of deaths specifically attributable to Covid-19 unless there is some other significant factor affecting average daily death rate in the US. No such factor has ever been adduced by Fauci et al so this method of reconcilation should stand up to audit.
Fauci would not like this way of checking his claims...too easy for the peasants to understand!
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
PCMM 4/9/2020 1:45:57 PM (No. 374112)
Just one more reason to hate Hillary Clinton. Her Secretary of Health and Human Services and CDC are as corrupt, anti-American, and foolish as any leftist bureaucracy imaginable.
Wait ... what? I thought we elected Donald Trump?
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
Chuzzles 4/9/2020 2:38:41 PM (No. 374189)
Since this has been a politically exploited club to beat Trump up with, we kinda knew all along they were going to play silly buggers with the numbers. Now that they have the economy on the ropes, they do not care about anything else except OrangeManBad and their TDS.
The questions an honest media would ask would all involve Fauci/Birx and their ties to the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates is the one with the self admitted Millions invested in finding a vaccine. Hence the efforts to quash the malaria cocktails that are saving lives.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
Italiano 4/9/2020 2:44:11 PM (No. 374195)
Coronabeeess.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Robert Jones 4/9/2020 6:02:07 PM (No. 374355)
I saw a survey from Russia measuring the trustworthiness of various people. Doctors and religious were very highly rated. Politicians and car salesmen were pretty far down. Scientists were very poorly rated. Now I know why. They are just political tools like many we see here.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
watashiyo 4/9/2020 9:34:18 PM (No. 374508)
We are so messed up. Shrink the government now by 50%! Eliminate the IRS and implement across the board flat tax on everything. Term Limits for all elected officials! And finally, mandatory 3 years military service between the ages of 17 and 25 for all biological male and females. (wishful thinking)
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