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How Honest is the COVID Fatality Count?

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Posted By: clayusmcret, 4/9/2020 10:29:12 AM

Dr. Scott Jensen is both a physician and a Minnesota state senator. Yesterday he was interviewed by a local television station and dropped a bombshell: he, and presumably all other Minnesota doctors, got a seven-page letter from the Minnesota Department of Health that gave guidance on how to classify COVID-19 deaths. The letter said that if a patient died of, e.g., pneumonia,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: clayusmcret 4/9/2020 10:31:25 AM (No. 373820)
I've commented to friends about this recently. There's no idea how many deaths are actually being caused by the virus because anyone who dies for any reason WITH THE VIRUS is automatically counted in the numbers. This is a fraud. What are the real numbers? The CDC is lying to Trump and to us.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: DCGIRL 4/9/2020 10:34:28 AM (No. 373827)
It's not accurate at all based on the guidance that CDC has issued to doctors on filling out the death certificate. Exageration: A person that tested positive for the COVID-19, gets hit by a bus and dies. Cause of death: COVID-19. When a person is shot in Baltimore City and dies. But the body is dumped in the water they record it as a drowning.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: MattMusson 4/9/2020 10:36:09 AM (No. 373829)
We have had two people in the local area recently who died from Flu. When families pushed for the deceased to be tested, it turned out that they tested positive for COVID-19. So, some deaths are being missed.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Axeman 4/9/2020 10:45:53 AM (No. 373844)
More than 90% of cases are not even being counted. No one knows how many are already immune. How many CV19 deaths are from medical mistreatment and are coverups? How many are "we need new equipment, inflate the numbers" statistics? When do we declare victory and get on with our lives without being overseen? I'm getting more skeptical every day. And more irritated. One benefit is that it is socially acceptable to wear masks in public now. This messes with all the facial recognition everywhere.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: NorthernDog 4/9/2020 10:54:00 AM (No. 373856)
I don't know about how deaths are reported, but even in the hardest hit states the number of deaths is a tiny fraction of the population. Far less than 1/100 of 1%. You are more likely to slip on a banana peel.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: hammondb3 4/9/2020 11:00:53 AM (No. 373866)
Same thing on a national scale... From a March 24 bulletin from the National Vital Statistics System about a new code for COVID-19 deaths... "COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death." In the bulletin, the phrase "or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death" is in BOLD FACE. AND, if THAT is not bad enough... For ever uninsured person that dies in the hospital from COVID-19, there are Federal dollars from a 100 billion dollar fund. If an uninsured person was to die on a ventilator from influenza, organ failure, stroke, heart disease, other pulmonary disease... the hospital collects nothing. If the hospital, even in the absence of a COVID-10 test (NOT required for death certificate), can code this as an ASSUMED case of COVID-19 that was a possibly contributory factor in the death... they get 39,000.00 from that 100 billion fund. How 'bout THEM apples?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Strike3 4/9/2020 11:03:46 AM (No. 373869)
There is a reason that I feel silly and refuse every time the wife demands that I wear a mask when I go out. My skepticism is finally substantiated.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: bpl40 4/9/2020 11:18:13 AM (No. 373893)
Lets see... The police shoot a bank robber dead. Autopsy reveals he was Corona positive. The death is reported as...?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: DVC 4/9/2020 11:29:54 AM (No. 373921)
It is almost certain that a lot of old people, nearing the end of their lives regardless of whether this virus had appeared or not, were taken over the edge by it. Probably not accurate to include them, but it gets down to splitting hairs when people die with multiple diseases and chronic conditions, at any time. I doubt any particular doc is trying to inflate the numbers, it is pretty much a "which straw broke the camel's back" sort of thing. Maybe some would have lived a few months more without this particular complication, really hard for anyone to know. But watch out for the car accident victims who come in and happen to have it, and get put down as a Wuhan flu death.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Vaquero45 4/9/2020 11:45:30 AM (No. 373949)
This reminds me of the story told to me by one of my old friends about how cigarettes killed his grandfather. His 93-year-old grandfather, he said, smoked a pack of Camels every day. One morning he woke up, poured his first cup of coffee, and noticed his open pack had two cigarettes left in it, and there were no more in the house. He decided to go get another carton of smokes. On his way to the Walgreens in downtown Rhinelander, Wisconsin, he stepped off the curb to cross the street - right into the path of a city bus. My friend ended the story “and that’s how cigarettes killed my grandfather!” Sounds like one of his relatives works at the CDC.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: janjan 4/9/2020 12:17:24 PM (No. 373990)
More and more of these stories are coming out. The State legislators need to step in and get the Governors under control. They are tromping our constitutional rights based on false information. This is all about feeding on federal tax money. And I’m with #7. I do not attend to wear some mask or bandanna when I go out. Silly ineffective nonsense.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: harleynyc 4/9/2020 5:57:58 PM (No. 374351)
At $39K a pop from the feds, I wouldn't put it past hospitals to be dragging bodies off the street. A smart ambulance driver could get in on the action.
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