The Diamond Princess, a floating Chinese
Virus palace, provides suggestive data
American Thinker,
by
Andrea Widburg
Original Article
Posted By: DVC,
3/19/2020 2:53:46 PM
What's frightening about the Chinese Virus is the overwhelming amount of inconclusive information. We're inundated with media speculation and hyperventilation, Chinese disinformation, and data that change daily thanks to the treatment and quarantine initiatives governments are trying around the world.
The fact that the disease has different rates of contagion and mortality in different parts of the world makes things more confusing. We can understand why it exploded in China, a place of censored information, pollution, smoking, and primitive socialized medicine. But why was it so virulent in Italy?
Surely, Italy's socialized medicine is better than China's.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Illinois Mom 3/19/2020 3:18:33 PM (No. 351202)
Very interesting. This cruise ship data is very hopeful.
I have felt all along that comparing the general health, hygiene practices, and with the excellent medical care that most of us have had over our lifetimes with these communist/ socialized medicine countries is comparing apples and oranges. Getting good treatment for everyday medical issues in these countries is so different from what we experience here.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Kate318 3/19/2020 3:30:36 PM (No. 351206)
Great (and hopeful) article. Should be a must read.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
LadyHen 3/19/2020 3:50:38 PM (No. 351227)
This is what many of us who cruise and follow the cruise industry said. Most of the folks onboard the ship despite the closed and confined condition DIDN'T GET IT. And of those that did, most had little to no significant illness. In both case, "Why?" a very big question science will be puzzling over for decades.
We know that those of our ancestors who were subjected to countless plagues and pestilence have passed onto us their genes that grant us less susceptibility to those plagues. Could this virus, while novel to us modern people, not be completely novel to humankind and the genes for immunity and susceptibility our ancestors gave us as an inheritance? Just a thought.
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DVC 3/19/2020 3:51:28 PM (No. 351229)
Another interesting tidbit from the article.
"For example, sixty to sixty-nine-year-old passengers stayed healthier than teenagers."
OK, since that is my age group....I'm rooting for "my team".
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
DVC 3/19/2020 4:00:42 PM (No. 351233)
Perhaps so, #3, but I tend to lean towards the difference between a health person with a robust immune system of any age versus those with the often-stated 'underlying health problems'.
And as to young folks getting it, frequently they have very 'naive' immune systems which have seen relatively few viruses and bacteria, where us healthy oldsters have 'been through the wars' (virus wars, at least) for many decades, and perhaps, as you say, have some earned immunity to something which is at least vaguely similar to this little beastie, and can get cranked up and responding just that little bit quicker. In exponential growth, every tiny head start is a huge big deal in slowing the end point.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
LadyHen 3/19/2020 4:20:05 PM (No. 351251)
I think when it is all analysed we will see a few trends.There seem to be racial, sex, and age disparities in not only susceptibility to but also the virility of the infection. I think cleanliness and food handling hygiene and proper comprehensive and modern Western medical treatment will both also once again prove to be life saving. And the presence of comorbidities that make a patient more susceptible to all infection, not just this Chinese virus, will also prove a huge factor.
The wisdom of the old comes to mind. My grandfather said of the high mortality of the old and vulnerable at this time of year "Winter chills them and Spring kills them." The harsh realities of life and death prior to our modern comfort are a lesson we should not neglect to teach future generations.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Strike3 3/19/2020 4:53:20 PM (No. 351294)
"But why was it so virulent in Italy?"
As I commented yesterday, Italy has a much higher percentage of senior citizens due to the year-round perfect environment. People spend more time outside and families are culturally closer. Not good when a serious disease moves in.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
DVC 3/19/2020 6:52:59 PM (No. 351390)
A lot of Italians greet each other with a kiss on each cheek. A really GREAT way to transmit a virus.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
JackBurton 3/20/2020 9:47:29 AM (No. 351957)
Some people have suggested that some people will get it with exposure, some people won't, and when you run out of people in the first group, the disease numbers stall and drop.
The Flu virus is everywhere. But out of 330 million people, only about 30-40 million people get it. I had a doctor who told me that you ONLY were affected by the omnipresent viruses when you got run down. I would add stressed and manlnourished (stress always did it for me). You're LEAST likely to be stressed and malnourished on a cruise ship. Add to that Spring started and all the 'self quarantine' activity... Far fewer than 17% are going to get it. Say, 50 million in the U.S.
Raspberries to those who say the numbers will be 210 million or 150 million.
150 million people died of gun violence since 2007 and we hardly noticed. Wot? s/off.
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Lots of good info - some really odd factoids. Despite no clue that the disease was present for days, and infected staff, and a majority in 60-79 age group --
-- 83% of them never got it
-- almost half who got it had NO symptoms
There seems to be some good news here. Seems like just not living in a Chinese hellhole, and using normal USA hygiene helps a LOT.