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Three reasons Trump-Russia hasn't turned into Watergate

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Posted By: Pluperfect, 6/19/2019 5:07:32 AM

Why haven't efforts to impeach President Trump gained Watergate-style momentum? The lack of energy has created a sense of bafflement and disappointment among some of the president's most determined adversaries. But there are some simple reasons for it. Here are three: 1.) The facts are different. In Watergate, the underlying crime was a break-in at Democratic National Committee headquarters, perpetrated by burglars paid by President Richard Nixon's reelection campaign. The scandal proceeded from there. In Trump-Russia, the underlying crime was the hacking of the DNC's and John Podesta's emails — a crime committed by Russians in Russia. Special counsel Robert Mueller, who indicted a number of Russians and Russian entities

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Reply 1 - Posted by: PChristopher 6/19/2019 5:16:22 AM (No. 101206)
4) As much as the Commucrats and their Lapdog Press might like it to be, it is still not a crime to get elected by way of the Electoral College while not being Hillary Clinton.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Truth Czar 6/19/2019 5:23:22 AM (No. 101208)
What a worthless article! Is Byron York a simpleton?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: winmag 6/19/2019 5:43:25 AM (No. 101214)
Byron needs to read the news before he writes such a stupid article. As of a few days ago, there is absolutely no proof that the Russians hacked anything. It was all made up by the DNC. The FBI was not allowed to forensically analyze the DNC servers and hard drives.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Locarno 6/19/2019 6:12:31 AM (No. 101222)
I always had given Byron more credit than this. Byron, this is not a case of waiting to see where all this leads. This was a lie and a fraud perpetrated by the Clinton campaign. If you're looking for a crime, look at the Dnc and the intelligence agencies that illegally supported them in their character assasination attempt on POTUS. FTA: 'In Trump-Russia, the underlying crime was the hacking of the DNC's and John Podesta's emails ' . Byron, we don't know that for sure. Podesta and the DNC refused to allow the FBI to see this so-called 'hack' of their computer system. We only have their word for it. Apparently, as long as its democrats, thats good enough for our corrupted and duplicitous CIA/FBI/NSA cabal to swing into action and go after the Republican. If you're looking for a crime, Byron, write an article on the DNC/Clinton/Obama axis that nearly perpetrated the greatest hoax on the American people in history. Then I might be interested in what you have to say.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: PostAway 6/19/2019 6:12:50 AM (No. 101223)
I have to disagree with the above posters. This article contains a distillation if underlying facts that were illuminating to me. If someone had asked me what touched this whole thing off I would have said the golden showers memo, maybe something to do with Papadopoulos, etc. Whether Trump and his campaign were exonerated is immaterial. I still would not have known about the Podesta hacking. I can be thick but this article was helpful to my set of knowledge. It also compared Watergate, the template for this whole fan dance, with what is going on now. It is a useful marker for how the news business and the country have changed.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 6/19/2019 6:18:30 AM (No. 101224)
"But it was a limited set of facts" back in the 70s, and it is NOT now. Byron should recognize that applies to him as well. It is far from clear that Nixon was involved in the cover up. Certainly not at the beginning. Dean, the supposedly primary witness, had no evidence that Nixon was involved and never testified to evidence that he was. He "assumed" Nixon "must have" known but had no direct knowledge. Certainly some of Nixon's administration DID know and perhaps Nixon could have avoided impeachment if he threw them under the bus? We will never know. Also, as others point out, the Russian hack of the DNC continues to be under question. Mueller, like the FBI, accepted Mickey Mouse evidence from CrowdStrike that the DNC server was hacked but the FBI never did an investigation of the server themselves. Considering all the disinformation from the dems, that info is simply part of the narrative. Byron should KNOW that by now and write a better informed story. The biggest difference between the 70s and now is that the real crime was committed by the other side and it was as devious as it was enormous. BO's administration was illegally spying on their political opposition using FBI contractors to query NSA databases. When their scheme was uncovered, they ginned up a false cover story using foreign resources and a broad group of counter intelligence resources to push the elements of the cover story into the media and into other areas of government. This totally fake cover story was the "Watergate" aspect of the current events. It as if there never was a Watergate breakin; it had been made up by the dems to smear Nixon and they used rogue government resources to develop the plot. The crime lies with the devious dems and they corrupted the government to pull it off. We are creeping closer to proving that and that the media, drunk on their own self importance, desperate to regain past Watergate glory, and full of hate for Trump who has exposed their venality and fakeness has played a major role in perpetuating the lies and protecting the truly guilty.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: sparky joe 6/19/2019 6:20:05 AM (No. 101225)
Gee, I hope that the DNC ALLOWS AG Barr to have access to its Servers or to Question People That He’d Like To Question
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Reply 8 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 6/19/2019 6:58:52 AM (No. 101240)
Sorry but the underlying crime was not anything to do with the Russians. Anyone with an ounce of tech knowledge would tell Byron that the hacking was an inside job. It had to be just based on volume alone. We all know who we suspect but Mr Rich is in no condition to testify and his parents apparently have been warned to call off any meaningful investigation into his death which the DC cops are certainly willing to comply with. Much like Mary Jo's parents, there seems to be a strange lack of curiosity about who killed their son and why. But then things like that don't happen in this country do they? Yeah right, just read a few interesting books like A Man Called Intrepid and you will have your eyes opened about what really goes on behind the scenes. Another book to open your eyes is Clever Girl. Truth is just sometimes less believable than fiction especially for the naive among us.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: FleetUSA 6/19/2019 8:02:12 AM (No. 101277)
Remember Nixon fired his Attorney General (and campaign director?), John Mitchell, as soon as he heard of the botched break-in. The rot set in with the further cover-up and tapes.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: JackBurton 6/19/2019 8:17:30 AM (No. 101289)
Good article. Byron is not 'taking a side' but merely pointing out that the weaponized press doesn't have the monopoly on news it had back then. And, of course, it doesn't have a crime to yap about.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: lakerman1 6/19/2019 8:17:54 AM (No. 101290)
Herr Mueller indicted 18 Russians, believing that none of them would show up for trial, but one wants to show up, and I believe demanded a speedy trial. Herr Mueller's Gestapo guys were shocked, and protested the move, in court. Why would Herr Mueller's team protest? Because a trial would shame them. A defendant has the right to see best evidence. But Herr Mueller's thugs never saw the best evidence - the server -and computers. They took the word of Crowdstrike, who worked for Lady Lucifer and her campaign. I have a hunch that Seth Rich was in the mix.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Clinger 6/19/2019 8:23:02 AM (No. 101297)
Watergate was payback for Nixon's role in convicting Alger Hiss. The break in was the cover story. On its own the break in was essentially SOP, politics as usual. Not that I endorse that by any means. It isn't hacking when access is gained to an account where the only firewall is the word "Password." It is clear that the DNC and Hillary (two separate instances) were serving information to Russia on a silver platter. The spying started before Trump was a candidate. This, the real story, is about the discovery that every intelligence resource in the federal government was turned into a political goon squad just as the ATF, IRS, EPA (I know Im forgetting others) had been. When Admiral Rogers caught them they turned to abusing the FISA court. This is about one party, those calling themselves democrat, entering a new phase of American politics by abandoning any pretence of following the rule of law and having their coming out party as a lawless totalitarian force with no intention of participating in the American two party system. Rather than accept the loss in 2016 they launched a coup. As I mentioned above there had been a wink wink nod nod acceptance of certain illegalities within both parties, a set of informal rules they used to play by. That sliver of an opening to the door of lawlessness was swung wide open by Obama. While so much of America was enamoured with the concept of a Black POTUS we turned our backs and gave him licence to "fundamentally transform" the nation. He did his level best to do what Frank Davis Marshall would have wished him to do. The common tie to Watergate is that they are both driven by communists. In Watergate it was revenge for outing the communist infiltration of our government and now it's about the complete fulfillment of the communist takeover of the United States. Think I'm nuts? Look at the players involved and their open public indisputable communist ties. Dig a little deeper Byron, you are in the tissue paper wrapping level and haven't even opened the package. .
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rumblehog 6/19/2019 8:34:21 AM (No. 101309)
In the 1970's the dinosaur media was still believed by the masses. Today they're just the predictable Party Organ of the Democrats and untrustworthy. Also, it's important to note that Nixon won re-election by a landslide, and never needed to know about Daniel Ellsberg's meetings with his "shrink" anyway. What is ironic here is that then, as now, the FBI and CIA (former agents then) were in cahoots to dig up dirt on someone to publicly discredit them.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden 6/19/2019 8:40:32 AM (No. 101318)
No, Byron, as most of us here already know, “In Trump-Russia, the underlying crime was the hacking of the DNC's and John Podesta's emails — a crime committed by Russians in Russia.” 1.) Podesta, himself, responded to a phishing email, and 2.) DNC hacking was from within [perhaps an unnamed DNC-Bernie supporter ? who is no longer with us, but I will not name], proven by the speed of transfer [to a thumb drive?]. KAG
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Reply 15 - Posted by: gobushcheneygo 6/19/2019 9:02:54 AM (No. 101332)
Thank you, #14. I was screaming at York after reading the first paragraph. Good grief, man, how long have we known that Podesta's computer was NOT hacked? He responded to a phishing email! Poor job, Byron. And the FBI never investigated the DNC's supposed hack. They allowed Crowdstrike to do it and turn over the supposed 'evidence'. We know from how fast the info left that computer, that is was likely downloaded to a thumb drive from an insider. A hack was impossible at that speed. Pure partisan cover up. Selective outrage dispersed to the fake media. All of it is a lie!
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 6/19/2019 9:40:02 AM (No. 101372)
The main reason is that the msm is dead and has no credibility anymore. The msm can't spoon-feed us today with its propaganda like leftists such as Walter Cronkite used to do. We have other ways now to understand the truth and ignore the lies.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: stablemoney 6/19/2019 9:52:05 AM (No. 101381)
No one has been allowed to examine the DNC server, nor do we have any idea who hacked Podesta's email, as it was done with an ordinary fishing link, and Podesta used a password like password. Right out of the box, York assumes a false fact, and writes an entire column based on a false presumption that it was the Russians, offering not a shred of evidence. Not one "scintilla of evidence" has been provided as to who did anything to the DNC server, or Podesta's email. Journalists, you call yourself one, Mr. York, please do your homework. It is embarassing, or should be to you, Mr. York, that you haven't.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 6/19/2019 10:22:10 AM (No. 101405)
#2 - - Please remember that Yorkie speaks to the crustless triangle-sandwich crowd - - which relies on him for news analysis. His columns are not written for thee and me - - but strictly for them. Thus he provides vital information to people who otherwise can't see beyond their cucumber and watercress treats. In his own sphere - - Byron is an asset for us.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: DVC 6/19/2019 10:44:07 AM (No. 101432)
Byron, Byron, Byron....there WAS NO HACKING by ANYONE. The hard fact that the data was downloaded at a speed which is impossible on remote devices, so it HAD TO BE an insider with a hard drive or mem stick directly plugged into the server has been well established for several years. An insider did it, and it was almost certainly Seth Rich, and he was murdered for his inside job. Note that Donna Brazil has said several times that she was frightened by the Seth Rich killing. She KNOWS who did it and it scared the hell out of her, as she knew that if she ever 'crossed the line' with the Clintons, they would kill her like tossing a used kleenex. Byron is either not nearly as intelligent as I had thought he was, or is willfully blind to this mess, intentionally "not seeing" a lot of what is in front of him, or would be in front of him if he did a bit of online searching.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: felixcat 6/19/2019 11:13:55 AM (No. 101462)
So Byron, what exactly did the Russians do to change the vote to Trump's favor? No one has ben able to say exactly what the Russians supposedly did that resulted in Trump's victory. Some ads on Facebook - really? I guess Byron is writing stupid now because he wants to keep the invitation open to the Bret Baier Special Report. Sad.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: TennDon 6/19/2019 4:05:30 PM (No. 101716)
#2. Yes!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: udanja99 6/19/2019 6:11:37 PM (No. 101803)
Perhaps Byron could get some of the facts on this case from Seth Rich. Oh, wait...
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Reply 23 - Posted by: The Remnants 6/19/2019 6:34:35 PM (No. 101824)
I believe that Julian Assange still has not been interviewed by anyone involved in THE TRUMP/RUSSIA CASE.
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