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Posted By: JoniTx, 6/3/2019 4:32:08 PM

Pope Francis finally approved the changes he has long wanted to implement to the Lord's Prayer by replacing "lead us not into temptation" with "do not let us fall into temptation," reports UCatholic. (Video) "On May 22nd during the General Assembly of the Episcopal Conference of Italy, President Cardinal Gualtiero Bassetti announced the approval of a third edition of the Messale Romano," reports the outlet. The revised translation will include changes to the Lord’s Prayer and Gloria. The Lord’s Prayer will change from 'and lead us not into temptation' to 'do not let us fall into temptation.'"Pope Francis first spoke of his desire to update

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Reply 1 - Posted by: RobertJ984 6/3/2019 4:43:24 PM (No. 90072)
Wow. It takes an act of Congress to change a few words? How about doing away with the hand shaking sign of peace, the hand raising and hand holding, and the kneeling.... I might come back
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Reply 2 - Posted by: AltaD 6/3/2019 4:46:05 PM (No. 90077)
Of all the issues facing the Church and the world, they focus on tweaking prayers. (Insert eye-rolling emoji here.)
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Reply 3 - Posted by: john56 6/3/2019 4:47:02 PM (No. 90078)
Well, the first draft had something about global warming and not building walls, so maybe we should be happy for this "revision."
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Reply 4 - Posted by: lindaluka 6/3/2019 4:53:47 PM (No. 90084)
I'll keep the Lord's Prayer in its original form...thank you very much.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Wetenschapper 6/3/2019 5:01:38 PM (No. 90089)
Where I live in Flemish Belgium, the Lord's prayer has already undergone a recent revision. Flemish Dutch and Holland Dutch are slightly different, about like British and American English, so the way the Flemish say it was changed about a year ago to match the Holland version. Instead of "leid ons niet in bekoring" (lead us not into temptation) we now say "leid ons niet in beproeving" (beproeving means 'testing' or 'trying'). Not so different from these proposed changes.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Jeremiah29_11 6/3/2019 5:06:26 PM (No. 90092)
How was it written in the New Testament Greek language? Taking into account that New Testament Greek is a bit different than current Greek.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Penney 6/3/2019 5:33:07 PM (No. 90108)
What?! ...Delusions of grandeur? The Lord's Prayer as spoken by Jesus is our example for prayer. Why would anyone presume to make any change?
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Calamity Kate 6/3/2019 5:34:26 PM (No. 90110)
Look for the Lord’s Prayer online in Syriac/Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke. It’s hauntingly beautiful.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: watashiyo 6/3/2019 5:35:10 PM (No. 90111)
Pray as though you're talking to God. First, give praise. Second, thank Him. Third, repentence. Fourth, ask a favor. Fifth, make a commitment. Those are the elements of effective prayer, per Nehemiah.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: happy conservative 6/3/2019 5:40:38 PM (No. 90116)
He's got a lot of chutzpah, changing the words of Christ. Well, he's changed the Catholic's church's stance on quite a few things, so why not? I'll not be standing too close to Pope Francis anytime soon, so I'll not be dodging lightening. I'll stick with the words the Lord used, that's safe and obedient.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Cavallodifiero 6/3/2019 5:44:12 PM (No. 90121)
I do not present myself as an expert so please correct me if I am mistaken, but was it not on request of one or more of the apostles to Christ, teach us how to pray, and did not our Lord Jesus Christ tell them how to pray to the Father? And if I am correct in that recollection is the Pope not presuming to correct Jesus? And if so is that not heresy? Does not every language have a word to identify the word of every language, as in NOT, or BEING etc.? Then of course there is latin, yes?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: DVC 6/3/2019 5:50:32 PM (No. 90125)
Stupid distraction, and I am not changing a word when I say it.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: dst4life 6/3/2019 5:55:50 PM (No. 90129)
Thanks, #9!!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: cartcart 6/3/2019 6:02:11 PM (No. 90136)
I heard they were going to also change wording to accommodate KFC so it would be "give us this day our daily CHICKEN" but they thought better of it for fear of losing the Wonder Bread account." Nobody changes the Lord's words.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: LoneVoice 6/3/2019 6:08:42 PM (No. 90142)
Revelation 22:18-19 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Go ahead Pope Francis change the words of God. You already think you're smarter than God.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 6/3/2019 6:14:01 PM (No. 90147)
Even simpler than #9 "formula," just talk to Daddy. He doesn't get hung up on the words we say and the "specific" order we say them in. Really! I promise He's not so hard up as most of us think!
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Harlowe 6/3/2019 6:14:05 PM (No. 90148)
The prayer as taught by Jesus is correct and should not be changed. God tempts no one; however, “God could allow the devil to tempt us, as Jesus was led into temptation by the Spirit (Matthew 4:1) but we pray that our Father would guard and keep us from the evil one.”
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 6/3/2019 6:36:06 PM (No. 90156)
Hey Pope, you might need to keep going with your edits / rewrites. "For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22: 18-19
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Reply 19 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 6/3/2019 6:37:17 PM (No. 90158)
I agree with #1 - the handshake of peace really irks me. Even most Protestant churches have adopted this garbage. Great way to spread germs.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Lawsy0 6/3/2019 6:46:10 PM (No. 90165)
Jesus gave these words as an example when his disciples said, ''Teach us to pray.'' So, some latter day me pope assumes the title of editor of Holy Writ. Jesus did not choose to reply to this alteration. Yet. His answer remains to be seen, so stay tuned. Shouldn't it be more correctly titled The Disciples Prayer. Just sayin'.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Nevadadad46 6/3/2019 6:48:15 PM (No. 90166)
Makes no difference about how someone else once prayed. What is important is your own personal relationship with God. You talk, He listens. Friend God, He friends you back.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: kono 6/3/2019 6:50:20 PM (No. 90167)
The new way makes it inconsistent with both of the ways the Gospel gives us.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: Catherine 6/3/2019 7:02:31 PM (No. 90176)
The handshake business was one of the reasons I stopped going to church. I don't go to church to socialize. My daddy was a devout Catholic and went every Sunday. He just wouldn't shake hands with anyone. My aunt and her friends would go and they'd hug and kiss each other on the cheek. Takes all kinds I guess but the church lost me years ago. I had a big problem with their attitude on birth control pills.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: JediJerry 6/3/2019 7:09:12 PM (No. 90178)
It all depends on the definition of what lead and fall is. Don’t they better things to do?
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Reply 25 - Posted by: ginadee 6/3/2019 7:13:53 PM (No. 90181)
I shall continue to recite The Lord's Prayer as I was taught by my mother and the good nuns. I have every confidence that the Lord will hear my prayer albeit unchanged. The Pope actually stresses about a few words to an ancient prayer? Geesh!
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Reply 26 - Posted by: papasparky 6/3/2019 7:16:40 PM (No. 90182)
The church I belong to has long maintained the correct translation to be " suffer us not to be led into temptation", stressing the fact that God does not lead towards temptation, bur rather away from being tempted.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: jar 6/3/2019 7:43:25 PM (No. 90202)
Sixteen years of study for this? The new words still imply that God is being asked not to allow us to fall into temptation. Why can't they come up with something that makes the individual responsible for his actions?
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Reply 28 - Posted by: voxpopuli 6/3/2019 7:51:17 PM (No. 90205)
; et ne nos inducas in tentationem; sed libera nos a malo. period.. end of statement.. "and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil" what's not to understand.. or was the jerk learning Russian instead of Latin?
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Reply 29 - Posted by: udanja99 6/3/2019 7:52:09 PM (No. 90206)
Did any of you actually read the article? The revised translation makes complete sense. The pope (who I dislike intensely for his sticking his nose into politics) is not changing the prayer, just going back to a more precise translation.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: TexaTucky 6/3/2019 8:26:35 PM (No. 90220)
Yeah, when the Pope changes Jesus' original Aramaic prayer, I'll get upset. Tweaking a translation of a translation in order to get as close as possible to the original does not set my hair on fire. Besides, is it more likely Jesus taught us to pray that our Father would not tempt us with evil things . . . or to pray that our Father would keep us from falling prey to those evil things? Don’t let your papal hate cloud your critical thinking skills.
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rumblehog 6/3/2019 8:29:25 PM (No. 90221)
It is known as the "Model Prayer" and Jesus Himself taught us how to direct our prayers to the Father through Him. Jesus is our Intercessor, not some liberation theology fraud in a Fish Hat sitting in Rome. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, and possibly Latin and Greek, but definitely not Italian. Here's His original statement in Aramaic: Abwoon d’bvashmayo, nethqadash shmok. Te-the malkutokh. Nehwé tseby o-nokh, aykano d’bvash’mayo of -ba’r‘o. Habv lan lahma d’sunqonan yow-mano, Washboqlan hawbén w’kh-t’hén, aykano dof h’nan shba-qn l’hayobén. W’lo tahlan l’nesyun’eh, elo patson men bisho. Metol d’dilok hi malkutokh, w’haylo, w’teshbuh-to lo‘alam ‘o-l’min. Amén.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: America Rising 2020 6/3/2019 8:55:49 PM (No. 90230)
Not for me has hasn't....
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Reply 33 - Posted by: America Rising 2020 6/3/2019 8:57:54 PM (No. 90233)
Pope is a dope....
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Reply 34 - Posted by: earlybird 6/3/2019 9:04:03 PM (No. 90238)
I continue to say it the way I learned it when I was a child - including “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” … so there!
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Reply 35 - Posted by: Muncsdad 6/3/2019 9:34:03 PM (No. 90250)
I am NOT a fan of this current (and maybe not legitimate) Pope, but this doesn’t bother me at all. The Our Father is not being ‘changed’ but the translation clarified. I like this new translation—as I agree with a few others that God isn’t trying to lead us into temptation, but protecting us from it.
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Reply 36 - Posted by: M2 6/3/2019 9:37:50 PM (No. 90258)
I am sure our lord would not mind the Pope telling the world that Jesus didn’t really mean what he said.
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Reply 37 - Posted by: Muncsdad 6/3/2019 9:39:06 PM (No. 90259)
And by the way, some of the hateful anti-Catholic comments are way out of bounds. I guess those commenters were led into temptation... And I am not a fan of this Pope, but hate is hate and it is misguided at best. Peace.
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Reply 38 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 6/3/2019 10:17:01 PM (No. 90271)
The Book of Revelations talks about not changing one Dot or Tittle of inspired Scripture! I’ll stick with The Creator Of The Universe and how He said it! Jesus Rules!
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Reply 39 - Posted by: Calvinesq 6/3/2019 10:23:11 PM (No. 90278)
Translations. Meh. Pray. Please. Just Pray. God loves to hear from you.
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Reply 40 - Posted by: dovestar 6/3/2019 10:39:05 PM (No. 90285)
I'm sorry, I thought not falling into temptation is OUR job. Sometimes the Lord allows us to be lead to temptation to test, to teach, to humble us and to make us seek His help; things that are quite risky that we still would rather avoid--if He wills it. I'm with #28, Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, because I'll never speak Aramaic, but am learning the Latin Mass.
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Reply 41 - Posted by: Trigger2 6/4/2019 2:58:01 AM (No. 90359)
Last Pope. I'm surprised the change wasn't "do not let President Trump and the Republican Party fail us communists".
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Reply 42 - Posted by: kono 6/4/2019 3:52:29 PM (No. 90758)
Until such an instruction comes across the official communications channels of the Church, it's not real. Neither Daily Wire, nor the "UCatholic" that they cite as the source, is any part of that. I'll withhold reaction to the change until it's real. Which I expect to be about the time that 'sex changes' become real.
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Sometimes you really have to wonder if the hosts of The View actually listen to anything coming out of their mouths. On Thursday’s show alone, the hosts politicized D-Day numerous times, connecting it to gay pride month in one segment, and in another segment, tying it to the southern border crisis. In that latter segment, co-hosts Joy Behar and Sunny Hostin raged at the “illegal” and “despicable” funding cuts to recreational programs for illegal alien minors at the border, while Whoopi Goldberg claimed our soldiers died fighting in Normandy so we could take care of illegal alien kids.Whoopi began the discussion
Trump Hits Back at Pelosi: A
Disgrace… A Nasty, Vindictive, Horrible
Person… Nervous Nancy… A Disaster…
A Terrible Person (Video)
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Posted by JoniTx 6/7/2019 2:00:11 AM Post Reply
On Wednesday night Speaker Nancy Pelosi attacked President Trump while he was overseas for the D-Day anniversary ceremonies.The far left Democrat leader said she doesn’t want Trump impeached, she wants him in prison.On Thursday President Trump hit back at Nancy twice as hard.(Photo) President Donald Trump: I think she’s a disgrace. I don’t think she’s a talented person. I’ve tried to be nice to her because I’d like to get some things done. She’s incapable of doing deals. She’s a nasty, vindictive,
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