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Pope Francis Says ‘Reactionary’ U.S.
Catholic Church Has Replaced Faith with ‘Ideology’

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Posted By: Dreadnought, 8/28/2023 11:56:31 AM

Pope Francis said there is a “very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. Catholic church, that is “backwards” and has led the church to replace faith with “ideology,” according to a new transcript of the comments released Monday. The remarks came during a private meeting with Portuguese members of his Jesuit religious order during a visit to Lisbon on August 5, per a transcript of the meeting published by the Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica. A Portuguese Jesuit told Francis that he struggled during a recent sabbatical year in the U.S. after coming across many Catholics, including bishops, who were critical of Francis’s papacy and today’s Jesuits, at which point

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Reply 1 - Posted by: runningbearnaked 8/28/2023 12:05:54 PM (No. 1544359)
FPF !
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Reply 2 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 8/28/2023 12:09:37 PM (No. 1544369)
Hey, Frank, go back to Argentina and shut up.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino 8/28/2023 12:11:53 PM (No. 1544372)
It isn't possible for me - - a lifelong Catholic - - to despise anyone more than I despise that stinking commie. And the worst part is - - the stinking commie has stacked the college of cardinals with even more stinking commies - - who will elect another stinking commie - - after this stinking commie has croaked. Is it time for a second protestant revolution? It's seems more and more likely.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: The Remnants 8/28/2023 12:25:02 PM (No. 1544383)
I am afraid that Pope Francis has become irrelevant. No one really cares what he has to say, except maybe his fellow Jesuits.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: smokincol 8/28/2023 12:26:24 PM (No. 1544384)
speaking as a disenfranchised Catholic, I have been dissatisfied with the the Catholic Church since 1956 and this poseur isn't helping, in any way, to cause me to change my opinion
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Reply 6 - Posted by: zephyrgirl 8/28/2023 12:26:37 PM (No. 1544385)
Sounds like projection.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Nimby 8/28/2023 12:26:50 PM (No. 1544386)
This coming from "the man of cloth" sure is inspirational. Commie Creep
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Califedup 8/28/2023 12:32:24 PM (No. 1544395)
Every time this obese, flatulent mouthed commie pope speaks it is really Satan who speaks.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: rochow 8/28/2023 12:35:10 PM (No. 1544400)
Shut up and go away. As long as this comie is still the head of the Catholic Church I will not attend and my money is given to other charities.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: nwcudagal 8/28/2023 12:35:29 PM (No. 1544401)
No, the real Pope was replaced with a dope.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: crashnburn 8/28/2023 12:41:13 PM (No. 1544408)
#10, you misspelled dupe.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Venturer 8/28/2023 12:46:37 PM (No. 1544411)
Maybe he should stop accepting any funds from the American Catholics. As a lifelong Catholic I find it hard NOT to be critical of this Pope. He has replaced his instructions on Faith with his Communist Ideology.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: seamusm 8/28/2023 12:48:43 PM (No. 1544415)
The Jesuits have been leftist ideologues embracing numerous positions at odds with the Catholic faith such as 'liberation theology' and LBTQ perversion (James Martin, S.J., anyone?) for many generations. Pope Francis whining to his brother Jesuits is the pot calling the kettle black.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: sailannapolis 8/28/2023 12:51:06 PM (No. 1544419)
Never trust a Jesuit
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Michaelus 8/28/2023 12:51:09 PM (No. 1544420)
I would assume by "reactionary" he means the old fossils who want to bring back guitar masses, felt banners, picnic table altars and other obsolete detritus from the 1960s.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Subsuburban 8/28/2023 12:57:08 PM (No. 1544430)
It is nowhere more clear than the Roman Church that once the "SJW's" infiltrate an organization it is only a matter of time before the entire organization is taken over. "Social justice" is like a virus; once it has entered the cell it hijacks the cell's reproduction system so that, instead of replicating cells like itself, the cell makes more of the virus until, exhausted by the effort, the cell simply dies. The Roman Church is going to soon die at the hands of its clerical destroyers, headed by the anti-Pope Francis himself. There is simply no saving it at this point. It is possible that a faithful remnant might emerge and organize into a smaller, traditional (i.e., Biblical) version of itself. Or not; time will tell.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: slipstik 8/28/2023 1:00:19 PM (No. 1544431)
That's really rich, coming from a Communist.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: aliciacolon 8/28/2023 1:01:44 PM (No. 1544433)
I strongly recommend the book-the politically incorrect Catholic church by John Zmirak. The fact is that we Catholics only need to obey the Pope if he is speaking from the Chair of St, Peter on faith and morals. We do not need to believe what he says on climate change or any of his liberation nonsense
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Reply 19 - Posted by: hershey 8/28/2023 1:05:01 PM (No. 1544437)
How does that track with your communist ideology?
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Laotzu 8/28/2023 1:13:29 PM (No. 1544453)
The protector of the religion that created western civilization is now its outspoken critic. The Age of Reason is dead.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: FormerDem 8/28/2023 1:17:00 PM (No. 1544454)
nice work by the bigots who have been misrepresenting Francis for years. So you have driven a wedge where none was needed. It is absolutely true there are priests who make political speeches while dressed in their vestments, and that is an abomination. And that said there are leftists who do the inverse and you are an abomination also. Politics is the vocation of the laity. you just preach Jesus Christ crucified and shut up about who we all must vote for. you are not graced to hold correct opinions in that arena. And everybody else, take it easy. The Popes are always a bit anti-American and that is fine. We are rich and it is proper and correct to beat us up not flatter us. It does us no harm.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Timber Queen 8/28/2023 1:19:01 PM (No. 1544456)
Francis is not first crappy pope we've had to bear. There have been far too many in the last 2,000 years. It is times like these I remember Christ in the Garden sweating blood as He foresaw the future of all humanity. Jesus has already suffered for the earthly sins of His Beloved Church. Yet, we must remember Our Lord's promise; the gates of hell would not prevail against her. Gates are a defensive position, which means Christ wants His Church to be on the offensive against evil and that is why we believers on earth are called the Church Militant. We do have great prelates such as Archbishop Viganò and many others. We have thousands of American conservative pastors leading vibrant parishes, and bishops that support Latin Rite parishes. If we didn't, pope Frank would not have mentioned it to his Jessie brethren. It does sadden me to hear fellow and sister Catholics who stay away from Mass due to political differences with the usurper in Rome. He is only a fleeting human being against two thousand years of True Faith, and most important of all, the reception of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. There is no requirement to financially support Rome in order to attend Mass. Do not let earthly concerns keep you from the Heavenly Food that will feed your soul on your earthly journey to our True Home. AMDG
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Reply 23 - Posted by: gramma b 8/28/2023 2:21:21 PM (No. 1544499)
I am a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, but I have devout Catholic friends whom I care about. I know this type of thing is difficult for them and others. I feel for you all. May God comfort you.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Luandir 8/28/2023 2:48:32 PM (No. 1544516)
It's not ideology, Franco. It's the Gospel.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: formerNYer 8/28/2023 3:05:45 PM (No. 1544542)
Time for a new USA Catholic Church.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: DVC 8/28/2023 3:09:32 PM (No. 1544548)
No, the Pope is a Communist and gets angry when a portion of the Church follows the Bible and not Marx.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: HonestDon 8/28/2023 3:14:29 PM (No. 1544551)
He should know. He's part of it. Worst pope in history.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: oldmagnolia 8/28/2023 3:15:29 PM (No. 1544553)
#2 They don't want him back. That is why he is not visiting. He is afraid the plaza will be empty.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: Highvoltage 8/28/2023 3:28:42 PM (No. 1544568)
When the biblical was first translated into English the Catholic Church was concerned about migration of the scriptures. We’ll, it looks like ‘evolution’ (migration) of the scriptures is in full bloom in the papacy.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: rikkitikki 8/28/2023 4:18:57 PM (No. 1544601)
So...Pope Francis is expecting Catholics to have faith, not in God, or the Bible...or even Catholic traditions...but in his own, personal, evolving and already corrupted ideology and morality? He11 no!
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Reply 31 - Posted by: JHHolliday 8/28/2023 4:49:19 PM (No. 1544624)
#6 is absolutely correct. Pure projection on the Pope's part.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: EQKimball 8/28/2023 5:32:50 PM (No. 1544654)
Jesus' forgiveness of sinners has been interpreted as a general tolerance of all manners of "lifestyle," including same-sex marriages and the amputation of genitals in order to correct God's mistakes at birth.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: udanja99 8/28/2023 6:45:32 PM (No. 1544701)
Look who’s talking.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: judy 8/28/2023 7:38:09 PM (No. 1544715)
He appears to be driving people from the church…very sad!
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Reply 35 - Posted by: doctorfixit 9/3/2023 5:06:15 AM (No. 1548399)
I guess the deplorables are insufficiently Satanist for Pope Commie I.
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