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The Founders envisioned a profound intertwining
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Posted By: FlyRight, 8/17/2023 6:25:17 AM

The naturally uneasy relationship between our government and religion has existed since our founding. The founders recognized both the importance of religious morality to the government and the necessity of keeping religious institutions separate from the state. America was run on those principles for a very long time but those days are over, which operates to our detriment. After 1791, the American people were no longer under the godlike moral authority of a sovereign king and his dictates, for the framers had created a separate government with its sovereign authority vested in its people. However, the people had the responsibility to maintain morality learned mostly from their religious practice and education.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rumblehog 8/17/2023 8:32:04 AM (No. 1536115)
Where does government gain its sense of moral right and wrong, but from each member of its ranks? It was common for western culture to blend religion and politics, for good, and for bad, as history teaches. But nowhere does U.S. history teach us that our Founders fought heroically to establish a nation without God or morality. That is a fools argument.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Venturer 8/17/2023 8:44:30 AM (No. 1536125)
Without God and Morality there is Stalins Russia and Mao's China.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: FLCracker 8/17/2023 10:23:28 AM (No. 1536208)
The Founding Fathers were not focused on Church ruling State; they were concerned about State ruling Church. For instance, in Europe it was common for a State to choose the officially recognized religion for that State (Catholic or some flavor of Protestant). The American colonies did the same, some sort of Congregationalist for the North, some sort of Anglican for the South.) Most States had an list of officially-recognized minority religions that they kind of tolerated, but those groups had to continue to support the official State religion. So a Baptist living in the wilds of Virginia had to pay tithes to the official State Anglicans. This was sort like the dhimmitude found in Moslem countries. It was even worse when they got into official doctrine. You can imagine how the Baptists felt about it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Mcscow sailor 8/17/2023 10:32:10 AM (No. 1536214)
Great read!
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Reply 5 - Posted by: smokincol 8/17/2023 10:37:47 AM (No. 1536218)
it is the expressed mission of the demcommie party to 1/) dilute the meaning of the Constitution to a point where it does become a useless piece of parchment and 2.) re-write a new "Constitution" using "newspeak" definitions and preferred and non-preferred references to any and all matters pertaining to law, civility and social mores and 3.) to make everything a debatable issue having no definable intent or intentions, thereby clouding every and all issues to the point of irrelevance, so that all our legal proceedings would look like Monty Python courtroom comedy skits
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