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Jack Clifford: Lake v. Hobbs, Day 2

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Posted By: Beardo, 12/23/2022 9:32:19 AM

Attorney John A. “Jack” Clifford is of counsel with Merchant & Gould. P.C. He has lived, worked, and voted in Maricopa County, Arizona since 2014. He sends us this report on the Lake v. Hobbs trial that concluded yesterday. The AP’s story on the second day of trial is here. Jack’s day 1 report is here. This is Jack’s day 2 report: As before my comments are my own personal observations and are not made on behalf of any client or my law firm. • The rubber met the road Thursday in the Kari Lake v. Katie Hobbs trial.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: spacer 12/23/2022 9:52:56 AM (No. 1363249)
More lawyerese than I care to read. Anyone with half a brain knows the steal was on and any legal wrangling to argue otherwise solidifies the truth about the number of lawyers at the bottom of the ocean.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: seamusm 12/23/2022 10:51:54 AM (No. 1363296)
Lake is swimming upstream without a fish ladder. I believe victory was stolen from her but doubt she'll win this battle. Election fraud punishment must be made so painful that no one would even consider it.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Alecto2 12/23/2022 10:52:31 AM (No. 1363297)
Agreed #1, it was the usual Dim chicanery, but had you read the article you'd have found little "lawyerese", just an interesting assessment.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/23/2022 10:54:11 AM (No. 1363298)
I watched the entire trial. From the start, the judge refused to hear 8 of the 10 charges made by plaintiffs. We cannot judge what was never seen. For the 2 charges heard: chain of custody and long line issues. Chain of custody rules were not followed on election day. And there were long lines due to 19 inch image projections on 20 inch paper. Both could have affected the election outcome. The problem is that is an inference. There was no evidence presented of malicious interference, or accusations against specific individuals. That could allow the mishaps to be cast aside as human errors, and chaos created by lack of training. So, I don't see that an election would be overturned with what has been allowed to be shown. That being said without not being allowed to see the evidence backing the other 8 charges, which raises a lot of issues in and of itself.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: MissNan 12/23/2022 11:13:57 AM (No. 1363312)
Outlaw Cheater Hobbs will never live down that a great majority of Arizona voters believe this election was stolen and she will forever be an illegitimate governor!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Plex 12/23/2022 11:35:28 AM (No. 1363331)
It is really simple. Lake presented facts that the law was not followed either with chain of custody or counting at the voting centers. The election was not conducted legally, ergo it is invalid. The voters cannot be assured that the ballots were not tampered with because the laws to insure non-tampering were not followed. Cut and dried. The judge will undoubtedly find some way to claim that insufficient evidence that enough votes were incorrectly counted to make a difference. I hope I am wrong but we have had too many cases where the law doesn't matter.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: hope27 12/23/2022 11:35:44 AM (No. 1363332)
If soros hobbs is govorner the cartels will own Arizona. Shame on Doug Ducey.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter 12/23/2022 11:45:38 AM (No. 1363341)
According to the defense, the delays on election day were the fault of all the voters who waited until election day to vote. Shame on them. As I opined previously, the best-case outcome will be acknowledgment that there were procedural problems that may or may not have affected this election but they will be corrected prior to the next election - "and this time we mean it."
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Reply 9 - Posted by: MickTurn 12/23/2022 11:56:50 AM (No. 1363348)
It is very Obvious that Hobbs and her thugs set all this voting failure up in advance. How is it even possible to have the wrong size "19 vs 20 inch forms" at all poling places where Republicans would be known to be in a majority. Hang ALL OF THE Vote Fraud Thugs, THEN we can sort out how they did it!
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Zeek Wolfe 12/23/2022 12:25:13 PM (No. 1363373)
Fraud and deceit are now part and parcel of elections in American. The perpetrators...Democrats and their running dogs in the judiciary and media...will continue until we have a one party country headed by politburos and commissars. You think this a joke? It isn't!
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/23/2022 1:33:05 PM (No. 1363408)
So, this is just a bench trial, then? No jury? And a state Superior Court judge gets to decide who wins? Ugh.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Starboard_side 12/23/2022 4:45:01 PM (No. 1363503)
First, if any of those items that were mentioned happened in a Democrat voting area, they would have been granted extra time to vote, etc... The issues regarding paper size, and lack of printer ink, should fall squarely at the feet of the RNC. I also heard they only had 1 lawyer present to question if anything materialized. Dems usually have dozens ready. Need to think smarter and be ready for shenanigans, because that's what's been happening, it seems.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: mifla 12/24/2022 5:40:56 AM (No. 1363764)
The election was at worst, fraud, or at best incompetence. AZ is claiming incompetence, Lake is claiming fraud. Seems as if the election results are suspect either way. The judge may say that Lake did not prove malicious intent and rule for the defendant, but that leaves the door open to the fact that the results are suspect.
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