Public Bureaucracies’ Deceptions about COVID

It just goes to show you how stupid 'Experts' can be when blinded by political goals. HHS, FDA, and the CDC need to be 'restructured'.

This political appointee Walensky gal is a perfect example. Over ruling the FDA regarding boosters just for deep pocketed Pfizer. Also, extending the landlord- tenant eviction. It was deemed unconstitutional. These public health bureaucracies have been politicized by the far left. Bottom line, they want control. The green deal movement is taking way too long. She’ll be on some big Pharma board before this is all over.

Thromboembolic events were observed in 43 placebo recipients (0.3%) and in 47 mRNA-1273 recipients (0.3%) (Table S25). No cases of myocarditis were reported. Pericarditis events occurred in 2 participants each (28 days after the second dose) and were considered serious (Tables S20 and S21). A total of 32 deaths had occurred by completion of the blinded phase, with 16 deaths each (0.1%) in the placebo and mRNA-1273 groups; no deaths were considered to be related to injections of placebo or vaccine. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2113017

Beat it, Karen. Your continued attempts at lies do not work here. Moderators - have you considered the possibility the #3 is just a bot?

At the risk of stating the obvious, Covid has always been political thus anything stemming from Covid response is also political. The vaccine/mask wars are no different to battles over taxes and the rest of the lefty agenda. If it had been called the next severe flu bug - which is what is, origin notwithstanding - then people would have reacted as they have in the past - sensibly and not irrationally. Instead, it was portrayed as The Andromeda Strain. When and why? We know of course. March 2020 and all attempts to smear and depose Trump had failed. He was riding high(er) in the polls and a roaring economy. This was the last throw of the dice and involved a worldwide leftist cabal. Trump, God bless him, cared enough to listen to the 'experts' until he realized (too late) that Fauci, Birx et al were there to sandbag him, foment panic and generate a pretext for massive vote fraud across the nation but particularly in swing states. Nancy Pelosi & Hillary Clinton, emotionally incontinent at the best of times and vindictive as hell, even blurted out the secret plans on separate occasions, respectively. Pelosi suddenly took a rabid interest in the humdrum Postal Service and launched one of her cynical, fatuous propaganda campaigns involving 'Trump's attack on the Post Office' and used a random photo to claim that he was removing mail boxes from street corners. Clinton, whose own rigged election still failed (hence her apology to Obama on Election Night) because she is repellent to all including Democrats, stomped her hoof and signaled to Biden that he should never concede - because she knew the votes would be conjured up as needed.

Holy cow, Vaccine Karen… this is a new low. Heart attack, serious heart problems, reported everywhere and you post some study with a bunch of manipulated numbers think we need to believe that instead of our eyes? Sorry. Your dead horse beating holds zero sway here. I’m a proud control group member.

Dad brought some meat to the table. If it’s not kosher, tell us, specifically, why. It is dangerous (not to mention soul-deadening) to operate in an echo chamber of curated facts. We are all enriched by wide ranging ingredients fact-based debate. Before you bestow my “Karen” label, know that I have been on this forum, under this handle, since near its beginning although I rarely comment. Molon labe (in remembrance of Standing Wolf).

No idea how the word ‘ingredients’ found its way into my comment above. (Still looking for that edit function, guys)

#4, he’s not a bot. He’s a paid troll. He only shows up here on covid threads and never on any other topic. I’m sure that he’s being paid to search covid articles on conservative websites and to post his lies hoping that someone will actually believe him. It’s sad the he has suckered in 3 L-dotters so far today.

Dear fellow posters. This forum has always been one of rational and sarcastically thoughtful debates of current issues sans thought police. Mud slinging, name calling and angry derogatory comments were a rarity. I’m hoping this forum does not continue to digress. I ask the dad and the artist to read this professionals data and studies as a published medical professional https://www.heartplace.com/dr-peter-a-mccullough. Watch his presentation thankyou

The plain fact is this flu "pandemic" is a scam, with phony numbers from Day 1. There are various motives for this, from global interests and the vaccine industry to local hospitals, docs and pharmacies. Remember the stories of bodies on the curbs in Italy? See any proof? No, we accepted the reports and then sold more of our dwindling liberty for "security". And that was the beginning. Now many chafe at the various "facts" on variants and overloaded ICUs, granny dying in isolation, the daily scoreboard of deaths and positive tests. Where was that distrust back when? This country was founded on mistrust of government. This "follow the science" bullshtuff has gone on far too long.

Americans know there's nothing truthful coming out of these agencies...WE don't trust them...as to my black fellow citizens who were concerned by the government edict... congratulations on your hesitancy...you were right to question the jab...based on prior edicts that harmed you...I will not take the booster shot based on this information...big Pharma companies based in china will NOT jab me again...America is at war with china and now WE know why...

On the subject of name calling, etc. This forum was once said to be a salon, not a saloon. There are a select few acting like lefties these days. They confront opinion and information they don't like with name calling (bot and troll) and personal disdain with zero facts or reasonable counterpoints, even veiled requests for the moderator to cancel/silence a poster. Like others, I've been here a long time. I've suffered through the demands for orthodoxy by the Bushies, McCainiacs, Romneybots, and Trumpistas, and a slew of "Real Conservatives". I'll stand with #3 and his apparent dissent, if not its content. So, call me a troll...name calling is a response by the weak minded.

Why are the alphabet agencies doing the dirty work for the Biden/Obama Administration? For example, CDC ordering landlords that their renters don't have to pay rent. Why not an EO from the WH? Answer: So someone else can get their hands dirty and not them, the Swamp/Biden/Obama cabal. It's always, "let someone else do the dirty work for you." Communists!

FTA"This vaccine will kill 3 healthy, young people to rescue one geriatric patient from COVID and give them a few more months to live. How could the FDA approve this bad deal?" So, I was right to fear The Shot more than the virus. This is the feeling I got from all my study of the events, and now it is shown in the actual data on the vaccine.

Rush was right, they never want to have another election.

The American Medical Association will not use Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. The CCP bioweapon is the secret societies´ play for One World Dominion. If this hoax is not sufficient they will use economic, cyber, or Climate crises until they succeed. There opposition now is MAGA, we must never surrender.

A person I met told me her father's girlfriend died a week after getting the 2nd dose and another family member died a week after getting the 2nd dose. I have seen a few negative remarks about the vaccine but that it's all temporary and all will be good. This is just one person who knows of 2 deaths from the vaccine. How many more are out there like these that we're not hearing about.

Just as in the Wizard of Oz, the curtain is being pulled back again and again to reveal the duplicity by governments, bureaucracies, and their protectors and supporters.

#18: I've heard some first hand accounts of death by Covid shot, too. I'd never heard of these cases during other virus outbreaks when we just took care,and no one was forced to get injected by a mysterious substance.

Part of the problem with Pfizer's "control group" is that midway through the clinical trial, Pfizer offered vaccinations to the non-vaccinated control group. So, in essence, there was no control group for the latter part of the trial. With all due respect to #3's data, I know a PhD. in pharmaceutics who told me that clinical trials give a indication of drug impacts, but the true impacts only show up when a drug is introduced into the general population on a mass scale. This has happened for years - birth control pills triggered blood clots/strokes in women in the 60s , Thalidomide triggered birth defects in pregnant women in the 60s, viagra triggered heart attacks and death in men and so on. I'm sure there are others but those three jump to mind right now. All three drugs passed their clinical trials, and were approved for the general population. Only after approval did the side effects become apparent.

FTA: "In this way, OSHA, FDA, HHS, and the CDC can claim that vaccines are safe and effective because there is no data to the contrary." If that is true, I would like an explanation. I'm fully vaccinated and grateful to the scientists who made that possible. At the same time, remembering a little bit from statistics classes I was forced to take, I recall the instructor impressing upon the class the importance of well designed studies that measure what you're trying to measure and produce results that can be replicated by others. I don't understand how government can present information about vaccine safety, if that information is neither being collected nor reported, as the writer claims. Clinical trial or not, information distorted by omission would not be an example of "following the science." "Honesty and truthfulness are bedrock principles of scientific research. Adherence to these principles is essential both for the progress of science and the public perception of scientific results [1–3]. Deviations from these principles may generally be considered scientific misconduct or fraud, although the US Public Health Service defines research misconduct more narrowly, restricting it to the most egregious practices [4]: “Research misconduct means fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism in proposing, performing, or reviewing research, or in reporting research results; Fabrication is making up data or results and recording or reporting them; Falsification is manipulating research materials, equipment, or processes, or changing or omitting data or results such that the research is not accurately represented in the research record; Plagiarism is the appropriation of another person’s ideas, processes, results, or words without giving appropriate credit; Research misconduct does not include honest error or differences of opinion.” The last point in the definition is crucial; the key distinction between misconduct or fraud and honest error is intent (fraud is ‘intent to cheat’). For instance, forgetting to report a value is honest error, deliberately not reporting the value is fraud; incorrectly copying a value is honest error, purposely changing the value is fraud. Other governmental bodies in the United States and elsewhere use similar definitions with slight variations. This definition does not explicitly cover other potentially questionable practices in clinical trials that, depending on intent, may be considered scientific misconduct. These practices include selective reporting of results, failure to follow the written protocol, emphasis on secondary rather than primary outcomes, use of improper statistical methods, failure to publish..." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340084/