How Loyal Was Mike Pence?
American Greatness,
by
Carmen Catanzaro
Original Article
Posted By: earlybird,
2/17/2021 2:25:04 PM
“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer” is a maxim of realpolitik and other matters where the stakes are high. To be effective in practice, an enemy invited into one’s organization needs to be kept truly close—that is, monitored carefully and always held accountable.
President Donald Trump appointed many NeverTrumpers and other enemies of his agenda—more significantly, enemies of his voters—to influential posts within his administration. In most cases, these appointees were not “kept close”(Snip)
A true standout amid the vipers’ nest of Trump’s enemies who benefited from appointment to his administration is Nikki Haley. As disloyalty goes, she belongs in a class all of her own, enjoying urgings from Bill
Reply 1 - Posted by:
Saryden 2/17/2021 2:32:31 PM (No. 699457)
We are truly disappointed in Mike Pence. He had a great opportunity to do well for America, but blew it away... why? His career, money, ego...don't know and no longer care. He could have moved to stop the steal and did not... now America suffers.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Namma 2/17/2021 2:33:01 PM (No. 699458)
Depends. Are you asking if he was loyal to PRESIDENT Trump. Answer is No
Was he loyal to the American people. Answer is No. was he loyal to the laws of the Constitution. The answer is No
Was he loyal to the Dems. Answer is yes
Was he loyal to his own greed. Answer is YES
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Jebediah 2/17/2021 2:34:29 PM (No. 699459)
Pence was as loyal as any VP ever was----the only time he "stumbled" was on the 6th, and that was simply because legally he had to. As to Haley, I had a favorable view of her at the UN but there is no way in Hell I would EVER back her for anything again.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
TJ54 2/17/2021 2:49:40 PM (No. 699485)
Mike Pence is no profile in courage
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
tennisbum 2/17/2021 2:54:53 PM (No. 699496)
Et tu Mikee!
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Ceasar's Brutus comes to mind.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
DVC 2/17/2021 3:11:43 PM (No. 699521)
Pence is a good man, but not particularly politically brave or strong. He folded up when things got tough, and tried to go down a path to a future job with the GOPe.
For that last bit of stumbling cowardice, I condemn him. For the first 3.8 years, i commend him on a job well done.
But, I don't want him ever running anything where political backbone is required. His is too flexible.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Namma 2/17/2021 3:19:43 PM (No. 699533)
Sorry for a second post. Pence had a DUTY to return the contested ballot count back to the states invoked. He did not. He chose to not obey the laws of the Constitution.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Moritz55 2/17/2021 3:21:21 PM (No. 699538)
What a disgusting article! Mike Pence is a man of conscience who served President Trump more faithfully than anyone else in the administration. The fact that conscience and his understanding of the constitution prevented him from taking the final step that the President wanted does not undo all the good he did as Vice President.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
hershey 2/17/2021 4:00:05 PM (No. 699578)
And I keep getting emails from her for whatever (I don't read them) in spite of requesting removal of me from her list...so now it just automatically goes to 'delete' if her name is any where in an email...
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
oldmagnolia 2/17/2021 4:03:53 PM (No. 699581)
The more I think about it, the more I think that Pence was the mole and the leaker. He was there from the very beginning. He convinced Trump to fire Flynn. He was in charge of the virus task force giving free rein to Fauci and Birx - the ones that told us we should go to full lock up. In a way, he contributed to the destruction of thousands of businesses and people's lives. He was the enemy within while at the same time selling us his Christian mantra. You know Pence, God cannot be mocked. At the very end he disappeared and stabbed President Trump in the back. He will be forever remembered as a traitor.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Daisymay 2/17/2021 4:24:36 PM (No. 699594)
As sure as I am writing this, Pence will be put up as the Establishment Candidate in 2024. I think the 80 million Trump Voters will NOT allow him to be the Nominee. Personally, I see Ron DeSantis headed for that position. I think he will be Trump's Candidate! I think his followers will agree with him!
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
DARling 2/17/2021 5:05:53 PM (No. 699645)
I think Mike Pence is a good and righteous Christian man. I don't think he could have stopped the certification of the election without at least one case having been taken up by a federal court. Democrats act upon feelings and "because I said so." I love President Trump and will honor him until I die. I just think people expected too much of Vice President Pence. I believe the truth will come out at some point because liberals can't resist bragging about ill-gotten gains.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
bighambone 2/17/2021 5:27:00 PM (No. 699675)
It was never explained to the American public as to why Flynn was removed as Trump’s national security advisor other then he had misled Pence in some way. All during the Trump era, Trump could not even hold a high level and supposedly confidential deliberative meeting in the White House without the contents of the meeting being leaked to the liberal media. That treachery had to undermine the proposed policy changes that Trump was thinking about making. Only certain people had the background knowledge of such meetings to do that kind of leaking. Makes you think?
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
Ladyhawke 2/17/2021 5:40:54 PM (No. 699689)
Pence is dead to me. He had a constitutional right to grant questionable states a their requested rights for time to reconsider. He is forever a coward,
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
idahoskook 2/17/2021 5:58:22 PM (No. 699703)
I’m on record since he was picked as VP that I didn’t trust him. Looking like I was right.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 2/17/2021 6:59:26 PM (No. 699752)
Pence LIED and said he would demand the States' electors go back and get straightened out. He then dipped his cowardly carcass back into the Swamp from whence he came.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
udanja99 2/17/2021 7:14:39 PM (No. 699763)
I haven’t trusted him since he caved to the LGBTwhatever crowd on the freedom of religion bill when he was governor of Indiana.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
MDConservative 2/17/2021 7:28:48 PM (No. 699773)
As others have pointed out, Mike Pence was as solid a VP as anyone has had in recent decades. The contrast between Pence and PDT was primarily that one was a man of the political world, the other an outsider. Much of what befell PDT was caused by his not having a coterie of government-experience around him. (It was also questionable whether he would take advice well from others.) Mike Pence has a political future. Let me be the first to ask, if the '24 choice is Pence or Harris, who gets your vote?
For many years conservatives groused about once having a businessman in the White House. That was the selling point for Ross Perot in '92. Now what happens when a businessman is elected was on four year display. Politics isn't business. Firing people here and there doesn't work well in that racket. Hiring knuckleheads because they're radio or TV talking heads and guests is not good policy. That was the Trump way, except the Federal government is not a family business. The goals were admirable; the execution not particularly. My way or... is not a brilliant coalition building strategy key to political success and survival.
As for the vaunted General Flynn...believe the legend. Like Mad Dog and others, hubris got him, and now he has his pardon. Good for him.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
NYbob 2/17/2021 8:08:01 PM (No. 699800)
#19, in your opinion. I think a better case can be made for the fact that Trump was an outsider who didn't bow down to the swamp. The businessman part wasn't any part of it. There is no business guidebook in DC, unless it involves insider trading. If somehow Trump had been a tech businessman and a rat party member, he would not have needed a STEAL, he would have been superman the first term and going into this one. Of course he wasn't, everything he stood for and said flew in the face of the rat party goal of turning the US into just another country controlled by globalists.
ALL your negative comments are a direct result of 4+ years of media war against all things Trump. Bad personnel choices would have had extreme cover by the media to make up for their lack of ability, but because they were associated with Trump, they had to be turned into criminals for things every rat politician laughs at. You fail to give Trump credit for a long list of accomplishments. Far more than either Bush and many things no Republican President had the guts or the street smarts to try. Trump is certainly brash, but he got a lot more done than anyone expected, especially the rat party. Oh, and as for what kind of Republican to nominate and vote for in the future, it is crystal clear that in any election that matters, Federal, State or even some local, the winner will be whoever the rats want to be elected. When you can STEAL the W.H. in broad daylight, with millions of fake votes, you can do anything. That, plus millions of illegal aliens who WILL be allowed to vote, means all future elections are tragic farces. Unless, somehow the STEAL is clearly shown to the general public, but it sure doesn't seem like there is the will or the means for any patriots to step up and do it. Imagine being one of the people who still believed in this country enough to go on the record and testify under oath about the STEAL they saw. Do you think they will be out campaigning for anyone after what they saw?
The fact that so many people are thinking that it makes sense that feeble, corrupt, creepy, biden got more votes, enthusiastic votes than BO, is a nod to the power of group think and a media that carefully treats the hack biden like the senile mental patient he is.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
mindsport 2/17/2021 8:11:38 PM (No. 699803)
I thought Pence was extremely loyal to Trump through his presidency, up until his last action. AND he has kept his mouth shut since. The problem as someone previously mentioned is he does appear to be a strong forceful leader, and I find him quite boring and uninspiring.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Southron 2/17/2021 8:55:01 PM (No. 699840)
As each day things get worse and worse - horrific under the supposed "presidency" of Biden, I blame Mike Pence. I believe he was part and parcel of the whole conspiracy that led to Jan 6. "burning of the Reichstag".
Mike Pence rammed that electoral sham through. He was a big player. Traitor.
Traitor.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
stablemoney 2/17/2021 11:40:22 PM (No. 699951)
Pence was not loyal when it counted, instead running over to the McConnell team, thinking that would be the team to emerge as final victors. But that is not the case. You chose the wrong side, Pence, and your career is done because of it. McConnell is done too. I was so glad to hear Trump put out a message directly to McConnell. I despise Fox and all the other media for keeping Trump off the air for the last month, while talking about him all day every day, because that is the only thing you have to get an audience.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
judy 2/18/2021 12:50:30 AM (No. 699983)
Pence selected the approval of the media & the fake republicans over election accountability.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Harlowe 2/18/2021 12:39:46 PM (No. 700586)
#9- With utmost respect, what President Trump hoped Vice President Pence would do was not illegal; actually, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 “...aims to minimize Congressional involvement in election disputes, instead placing the primary responsibility to resolve disputes upon the states. The Act sets out procedures and deadlines for the states to follow in resolving disputes, certifying results, and sending the results to Congress.”
In the past 20 years, Electoral College Certifications were objected to three times by Democrats. In 2001, “House Democrats challenged the certification of electoral votes for then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, a Republican...” In 2017, Vice President Joe Biden “oversaw certification of the electoral votes that handed the presidency to Donald Trump. House Democrats had challenged the electoral slate. In 2005, Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D, OH) and Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) “together challenged Bush’s victory in Ohio on grounds of alleged voter irregularities.”
Ted Cruz wanted Congress to “appoint an Electoral Commission, with full investigatory and fact-finding authority to conduct an audit of election results before Inauguration Day on Jan. 20. Once the audit was completed, states would evaluate the Commission’s findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed.”
The decision Mike Pence made was his to make; however, there was nothing immoral about pursuing the Constitutional action President Trump wanted to pursue not solely for his personal benefit, but because of the morality in seating a presidential candidate as a result of voter fraud, sanctioning such a precedent for future elections.
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