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The Beginning of the End —
In Spite of Governors Gretchen
Whitmer and Andrew Cuomo

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Posted By: Pluperfect, 4/7/2020 4:38:05 AM

A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. General George S. Patton Jr. on the wisdom of taking prompt action based on limited information. On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Jim Santilli of Macomb County, Michigan, became seriously ill with severe cardiac and respiratory symptoms. He went to Henry Ford Macomb Hospital, where he was admitted and immediately tested for COVID-19. While he waited four days for the test results, his condition deteriorated “by the hour” to the point where he thought he was going to die. In an interview with radio host Steve Gruber, the 38-year-old Santilli said that he was slowly drowning

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Aud 4/7/2020 5:37:12 AM (No. 371150)
Fantastic read. Many thanks, Pluperfect, for posting it.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: John C 4/7/2020 6:12:03 AM (No. 371159)
The CDC web site has the current numbers. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html I wish the president would ignore the experts and start the economy, Easter!
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Old Army Vet 4/7/2020 6:49:40 AM (No. 371180)
The lame stream media, and the democRAT, progressive, leftoid, communist, socialist, marxist lowlifes hate anything Trump. They have egg on their faces and don't know how to get it off. Trump 2020
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 4/7/2020 7:02:17 AM (No. 371190)
Seems like the dems and media are practicing medicine without a licence and are willing to interfere with real doctors trying to treat patients and let people die in order to get Trump. How vile can these people be? Just a rhetorical question. They are scum and we know it. BTW, it seems that the virus is worse for Blacks in some areas. Does that make the dems racist as well?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Saryden 4/7/2020 7:05:32 AM (No. 371193)
I think President Trump is a genius who opens his mind to possibilities in problem-solving... don't know how he tolerates the hateful opposition and media. We would by 'another Venezuela' if not for him. TG for DJT!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bluefindad 4/7/2020 7:14:43 AM (No. 371197)
The political drivers of this catastrophe are terrifying. They have prevented both a clear perspective on the nature and spread of this disease and the application of potentially life saving treatments. The phlegmatic start of testing was due to the bungling of the CDC. Was their ineptness simply incompetence or was it political? The only way to determine the true extent and danger of a pandemic is to scientifically determine how widespread it is, how many individuals get infected and what percentage are severely impacted. Without testing individuals randomly, no true evaluation can be ascertained and the politicians are left to, at best "fly blind" or, at worst, be guided by intellectuals whose models are based on no confirming data. My wife and I visited our son and daughter-in-law in California in the second week of January. Our daughter-in-law was afflicted with a respiratory disease she'd had for a couple of weeks - severe chest congestion and cough. The day after we returned to North Carolina (January 15th) I began to experience the same symptoms. The following day my wife became ill. For nearly two weeks we battled cough and lung congestion. On at least one occasion, we both got up to go and sleep sitting up in a recliner to breathe better. The bug we'd caught was unlike any cold or flu we'd previously had. Was it COVID-19? Maybe. Maybe not. But if it was then the first cases in North Carolina appeared far earlier than stated by the CDC - and possibly a very large number of people have had it and were asymptomatic or never sought care.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: LadyHen 4/7/2020 7:18:50 AM (No. 371198)
fta: "Anecdotal or not, the proof on the medical front lines is that HCQ is every day saving the lives of COVID-19 patients. But rather than celebrate that blessed news, disgruntled progressive politicos and their media adjunct continue to portray the president as a scheming con man who must be exposed and stopped. So it is that, to advance their political agenda, they seek to discourage and restrict the use of HCQ even at the risk of patients suffering and dying. Or, as Robespierre is purported to have said, “On ne fait pas d’omelette sans casser des oeufs.” Translation: You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs. Eggs and patients suffering agonizing deaths. They’re all the same to the angry Left in its obsessive and unrelenting quest to turn this COVID-19 pandemic to its political advantage." ^^^ This! Many of us have said it and continue to say it. In their unquenchable hatred of President Trump, they would rather Americans die by the millions than admit he was righf. THAT is all you need to know about these people and their agenda for us and our children. These people's actions are criminal!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Jawone 4/7/2020 7:20:22 AM (No. 371200)
Has anyone ever asked the obnoxious and crooked thug Governor Godfather if his little brother Fredo is taking the malaria drug?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Bur Oak 4/7/2020 7:42:41 AM (No. 371229)
Tyrant Democrat governors are playing politics with people's lives. Don't forget come their election/reelection dates.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: rushie 4/7/2020 8:31:19 AM (No. 371281)
After watching the press conference yesterday I think those people are evil. I also believe the source of all of it is Soros.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: rsgonner 4/7/2020 8:31:38 AM (No. 371282)
I'm a physician. The antagonism of the pols, liberal media hosts and, sadly, even the public health docs towards the treatment that works is frankly astounding, but not unprecedented. Look at the history of the trials of the Salk vaccine. The "scientists" wanted a placebo controlled study while the treating physicians wanted a study that just observed those who did not get the vaccine. I keep hearing those same public health docs call for waiting for a vaccine or using monoclonal antibodies, specifically the one that failed in prior ebola trials. Why?? Hydroxychloroquine costs $15 for 100 pills. A clinical trial of remdesivir would cost millions. Sorry, but it is unethical to insist on a study to satisfy intellectual curiosity when it would mean the death of so many in the study when we have a safe and more-than-anecdotal drug that works.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Alecto2 4/7/2020 8:54:34 AM (No. 371314)
So Governors who prevent patients getting this treatment are murderers.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Arby 4/7/2020 9:07:06 AM (No. 371329)
This is why I don't live in a blue state; the politicians will do anything to hurt the president, even if it means hurting the citizenry.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Sully 4/7/2020 9:16:54 AM (No. 371339)
This makes no sense. What do they hope to gain by blocking effective treatment of desperately sick constituents? Even a trump hater wants their cure when they are sick. The voters won't forgive them for blocking the "game changer" treatment. Even an evil person should be able to calculate better than this. Is their hatred that blinding?
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Red Ghost 4/7/2020 9:30:23 AM (No. 371358)
Andrew Cuomo's existence in life is all about power. Like an addict he has tasted the drug call dictator. It's as powerful as crack cocaine and Andrew is addicted. It is unconscionable that he has issued this edict and he does have blood on his hands. If President Trump has the power, he needs to overrule the governors and allow PHYSICIANS to decide how and when this drug should be used. Aren't we always told by the Left "listen to the doctors, listen to the science?" Freddo and his family decamped to his country house from NYC not a few miles away from where I sit. Like other City people he brought his virus here. And I will bet Freddo is being given the HCQ cocktail that is being denied to the peasants. Democrats are the real plague on our society, not the Wuhun flu.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 4/7/2020 9:36:00 AM (No. 371367)
Always remember that the left thrives on fear and victimhood. By weaponizing the coronavirus outbreak, Obie, the dims, and the msm consider higher loss of life as just collateral damage in their quest to weaken the President. Their only interest is to try to steal the November 2020 presidential election and will stop at nothing to try to achieve this. The ends justifies the means. Yes, Mr. President, thumb your nose at the dims and msm and lay out plans to re-start the economy. Make a first announcement on or before Easter.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Philipsonh 4/7/2020 9:55:41 AM (No. 371400)
I live in NYS. The governor/ Dept of Heath are tyrannical bureaucracies whose agendas have NOTHING to do with helping our citizens. People are living in extreme pain because the opiod meds that WOULD help them are severly limited. The 'bosses' are not concerned with the victims, only their own agenda and with the criminals who may gain access to the medications. NYS has a controlled substance list and WOE the physician who prescribes them; many are so scared they will lose their licenses that the REFUSE to prescibe the meds patients need. I know this FIRST HAND and won't say in public what I think should happen to these uncaring bureaucrats. I have written to the NYS Dept of Heath about this situation 3 times and if you think I ever received an answer, you are dreaming.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: FunOne 4/7/2020 10:07:13 AM (No. 371407)
"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." --Winston Churchill following the Allies' first significant victory of WW II at El Alamein, 1942.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 4/7/2020 10:27:27 AM (No. 371430)
Is there any question why the Democrats are so adamant in their opposition to the treatment? Save lives? Not if it reflects well on this president, who moved heaven and earth to get the treatment approved while the Democrats adamantly resisted. Power is EVERYTHING to Socialists, no matter the toll in human lives and suffering.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Krause 4/7/2020 10:41:58 AM (No. 371456)
I believe Ms. made an emotional decision based on her antipathy to the President of the United States.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Skeptical1 4/7/2020 10:42:55 AM (No. 371459)
He's over-egging the argument. Are doctors currently being prevented from prescribing Chloroquine? Anywhere? I know there's a lot of media snark because of Trump's advocacy, and some governors might have overreacted, but as a practical matter, I don't see the problem. And is it true that "clinical trials in China, South Korea, and France [have] already demonstrated the efficacy of treating and likely preventing COVID-19"? I spent some time on ClinicalTrials.gov, and couldn't find them. There are trials starting and on-going, but only one trial has published results, and it was that little trial in China that showed no effect. I agree with Trump's position that Chloroquine is worth trying (and that's all he's saying), but support for Trump and partisan spirit shouldn't take us too far out on a limb with claims that the drug is known to be effective.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Mulhaven 4/7/2020 10:46:21 AM (No. 371461)
The overwhelming majority of our knowledge about bad behavior and non-edible substances come from "anecdotal" evidence. Cavemen learned which plants were toxic. They learned that hitting someone over the head with a club would kill them. Anecdotal evidence is basically how we learn to manage our lives. Bless the "scientists" who study the intricacies of events. They may argue that hitting a person over the head with a club may not necessarily kill them, because it depends upon a number of factors. In other words, the claim needs clinical analysis and computerized models. So, do not make such a rash claim about clubs. The size, the weight, the angle of the strike, the size of the perpetrator, the visual acuity of the perpetrator, etc., all must be taken into account. Those who generalize from "anecdotal" evidence or use common sense are rushing to judgment and need to be sanctioned. To deny easily observable, commendable, results because someone in a lab coat has not done a “scientific” study and has not presented any computer output is akin to denying the reality of the world because we relied on our basic senses for that claim. Why should we uncritically accept the proclamations of those whose judgments are more intellectual and exclusionary rather than based upon observable evidence? We need a serious study to determine if the scientific method deployed in dismissing cures for the Wuhan virus has been less than scientific as a result of being bonded to effete methods. In addition, why were infection estimates being published that were based on reported cases rather than random samples? And were wildly inaccurate. All they accomplished was to stoke fear.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: qr4j 4/7/2020 12:05:25 PM (No. 371583)
I think Whitmer deserves political crucifixion. Not literally. Politically.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: RedWhite&Blue2 4/7/2020 1:11:13 PM (No. 371661)
If they kill their babies.. Surely they will kill US. Bastid fascists!
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Reply 25 - Posted by: leonardo 4/7/2020 5:24:22 PM (No. 371903)
Expecting wisdom from any of the partisan and unscrupulous politicians who seek control over us is always an exercise in futility. Like in the Scorpion & Frog fable, the scorpion and the politician will DO what they DO ... it's in their NATURE ... but WE don't have to elect them unless we have a death wish.
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