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WHEN did coronavirus begin in
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Posted By: Judy W., 3/26/2020 7:12:00 AM

The entire political focus of yesterday’s news cycle was the legislative imbroglio between Republicans and Democrats over the coronavirus rescue package. (Snip) Do we really need to intensify the shutdown before we understand the data and projections of the actual virus itself? Given that the virus was discovered in Wuhan on November 17 (at the latest), when did coronavirus really begin in this country? Roughly how many cases do we think occurred before we began testing during the first week in March, and how many fatalities occurred? How many of the presumed flu deaths, and particularly the presumed pneumonia deaths during what was thought of as a bad flu season, were


This is hugely important. I agree with the author that the Wuhan flu has been around much longer than believed. Therefore, many people have had it and are now immune. But the government is acting as if it's just getting started.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Illinois Mom 3/26/2020 7:40:55 AM (No. 358325)
I do believe that it's true. One of our daughters was in Hawaii in February. She returned home (after two very long flights) one month ago last Sunday. One week after returning her husband came down with a severe case pf the flu. He's a big healthy guy but he was in bed for a week with a high-ish fever and a very tight chest. When she told me he was sick and that his fever persisted for days, I thought that was unusual but she said that the "tele-doc" had prescribed Tamiflu and he was getting better. Everyone agreed that his flu was really weird. She saw us during the week after she returned, and his parents saw him during his illness. None of us, my daughter, or their four kids caught anything, no one at his job had anything similar. Was it the Wahu Flu? We'll never really know, but the coincidence of her trip and his illness is compelling.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: kdog 3/26/2020 8:01:14 AM (No. 358349)
I think I may have had it in November or December, I had some flu like symptoms, but in addition to those I was having a hard time catching my breath after brief activity, which had NEVER happened to me during any other illness I had experienced. I mentioned at the time that episode lasted MUCH longer than the usual illnesses I would pick up in the winter, over 2 weeks. It wasn't laying me out or anything, just felt "funky" most of the time.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Clinger 3/26/2020 8:16:25 AM (No. 358370)
I feel like I'm about to qualify for a degree in "journalism" for what I'm about to say. I wish to protect my privacy and my source. My source is in the business of fighting this thing and in a position to know things that are not common knowledge. Now that I'm sorting out job offers from MSNBC, NYT, CNN...etc. I will share that this has been going on significantly longer than you have been told. I am not suggesting that our government knew earlier. I wish I could offer something to establish the credibility of my assertion better than "trust me" but that's all I'll do just as any 21st Century journalist.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 3/26/2020 8:25:33 AM (No. 358379)
It started here in January when the dims and msm were distracting the country with their fake impeachment circus and trying to destroy the President again when in fact the dims and msm should have been focused on the virus. But, they weren't. The ends justifies the means. Tell that to the families who have already lost loved ones due to the virus.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Daisymay 3/26/2020 8:36:10 AM (No. 358393)
I truly believe I had it in December. I returned from visiting the children, grands and great-grands at Thanksgiving. We flew home the following Monday and I was sick as could be. So, I know I didn't get it on the plane! I had it for over three weeks, being treated with Antibiotics, Codeine cough syrup and finally a Shot of something that worked! I had a terrible cough that racked my whole body. So, I do think this "Virus" was here long before anyone gave it a name. It happens every winter just as Allergy season arrives this time of year in Florida. We're all sneezing, blowing our noses and have watering eyes. It's just the cycle that hits us. We recognize it and deal with it!
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Reply 6 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 3/26/2020 8:40:21 AM (No. 358401)
There's only one problem with this article: It assumes that Congress cares about facts, statistics, the American economy, and us. They don't! Their goal is to destroy America--by any means possible, and if mass deaths and destruction occur, oh well! They're chomping at the bit to establish the NWO.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin 3/26/2020 8:42:32 AM (No. 358403)
We REALLY need blood tests for IgG (recent infection) and IgM (indicating sub-acute to past infection) antibodies for CoVid-19. I suspect that general population testing of random people who recall having influenza-like-illness in December through March will show that many will show IgM antibodies to CoVid-19. Interesting, and I am sure that the scientists are working on it, but I can't help feeling that one side of the political spectrum wants this to stay "BAD" up to the election.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: GO3 3/26/2020 8:47:48 AM (No. 358411)
I'm with 2 and 5. It's possible I had it in December. A lingering cough, laryngitis type of condition. It went on for weeks though it wasn't debilitating. The other thing this article triggers is what our intel agencies knew and when? I've seen the CIA mentioned just once in one of the articles posted here. I'm not asking for a classified assessment, but there might be something on the biowar aspect POTUS can't reveal, or he has been misled by the IC. Hopefully, the latter isn't the case, but as we know, it's entirely possible.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: LadyHen 3/26/2020 9:28:44 AM (No. 358451)
I have heard of a great many people who had their flu vaccine shot this year and yet contracted a influenza like illness (ILI). Our teen son had something nasty in January that hung on for 2 solid weeks and it came on a week after we had been on vacation to FL (via plane) in early January. Fever, persistent cough, phlegm and mucus, fatigue to the point of keeping him in bed. The doctor just said "it's a virus." We did OTC stuff and he braved it out but was pretty miserable for several days. It puzzled us as normal!y he gets something and a week later, it's long gone. This was persistent and OTC did little to help. It stands to reason if this virus appeared as ear!y as late October, it's been here a long time. On average 17k people a day travelled to and from China. Multiply that by 60-90 days. Deaths from this thing would not be overly suspicious as most are seniors, immunocompromised, and/ people with comorbidities and the chief complication is pnuemonia, not exactly uncommon in winter. When they get to testing the general population for immunity, it will be interesting to see the numbers.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 3/26/2020 9:34:04 AM (No. 358458)
I know 3 people personally who strongly believe that they had it back in December. One is in Houston and the other two in Lincoln Nebraska. All were over 60, had a hard time getting over it, but have recovered.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: stablemoney 3/26/2020 9:43:24 AM (No. 358464)
I definitely believe I had it in January. It was the most unusual case I had ever had, and thought so at the time. I do not think this country should have been shutdown nationwide. We should have changed our infectious behavior, including better cleaning, but not closed the country.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: PESSIMIST 3/26/2020 9:49:07 AM (No. 358474)
I am as pro-Trump and rightwing as anybody on this board. Don't mistake me as someone who's dedicated to endless cellar-swelling ("social isolation") at the expense of our economy. But I'm skeptical of this claim, as I said elsewhere on this board. The argument that we're already on the "back end" of the curve of the Corona virus, invoking anecdotal evidence of hidden "non-flu flues" that loved ones endured in January or December, collides with the unmistakable spike of people flooding NYC hospitals TODAY. And also collides with the evidence of Italy's relatively sudden outburst. To make the theory substantial, you would have to have evidence from January-February that spectacular numbers of patients arrived at hospitals in extremis with pneumonia or flu-like symptoms that testing proved wasn't flu. In fact, the medical profession does annually track and try to quantify these types of cases. In fact, there was an uptick of them in January, worse than some (but not all) previous years. But my understanding is that they were not nearly of the volume that would suggest we're on the back end of the Corona curve. I do think the epidemic in its most awful form is only hitting a few metropolitan areas, i.e., New York-New Jersey. I do think Idahoans, Nebraskans, Vermonters, etc. will likely be able to go back to work soon. But I think it would be premature to say that we're on the back end of the fight.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: JackBurton 3/26/2020 9:59:20 AM (No. 358485)
Great article and makes an essential point. I would add that pneumonia like illnesses showed up in the Seattle area and were promptly reported by a doc.... who was told by the CDC that her opinion didn't count because the methods didn't conform to their standards. (more here: The 'Corona Princess' shows us that in the ultimate of favorable circumstances for passing around a bug by contact, 83% of the people seem to be able to dodge the bullet.... and others have their name inscribed upon it.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: harleynyc 3/26/2020 10:14:32 AM (No. 358506)
I live among the Chinese in Brooklyn, and I got deathly ill around Thanksgiving.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: PESSIMIST 3/26/2020 10:45:22 AM (No. 358533)
Having previously, reluctantly, thrown some cold water on this theory, I admit I'm intrigued by the proposal (Thanks Reply #7!) for IgG testing of people who had cryptogenic flu-like illnesses that weren't flu earlier this winter. Taught me something. I don't know that you would need the huge volume of testing in this case that's usually required to draw inferences -- even a few hundred of them might prove the point. But still -- why the apparent surge of cases now in New York? Can't wrap my head around that one.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Knotwyrkin 3/26/2020 10:58:32 AM (No. 358545)
Sorry for the second post. There are more cases in New York since they are doing a lot of testing there. There are still a lot of new cases. I bet if you did a bunch of testing in Kearney, Nebraska you will find positive tests. None of the people with prior Influenza-Like-Illness in Dec-Mar will be tested since they won't be symptomatic now. If you only test people that are sick enough to be hospitalized, you will get a MASSIVE selection bias indicating high death rate. That being said, there certainly are a lot of people that are very sick from this - I suspect it is because there is no partial-antigen immunity for coronavirus like there is with Influenza. Symptoms are lessened during the current Influenza season (but not totally ameliorated) by patient's prior Influenza exposures during past years.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Aubreyesque 3/26/2020 11:05:41 AM (No. 358549)
My college attending daughter came down with what presented itself as a common cold on Friday. By Saturday had morphed into fever and chills. By Monday evening I had come down with it. A day later, my husband. The house was like a tomb for the next two days as all of us were too weak and feverish to get up and do anything. It was Thursday before I could get up for a few minutes to stumble to the kitchen for something to drink. Id NEVER sick like that. Neither had my daughter. Doctors tagged it all as Type A flu. Now I wonder...
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Axeman 3/26/2020 11:21:21 AM (No. 358566)
Remember, the vast majority of people who are infected are asymptomatic or show only mild symptoms.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: NorthernDog 3/26/2020 11:23:26 AM (No. 358572)
Viruses can circulate around for quite some time before gaining a foothold. The first AIDS case in the US is believed to be in the late 1960s. It took more than a decade for it to be identified. By then, the bodies were piling up on a daily basis.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Muguy 3/26/2020 11:31:31 AM (No. 358583)
There were many who back in late 2019 had repiratory problems akin to pnemonia, but it would be difficult to say that it was Corona Virus. Many were just 'allergic colds" but not deemed 'serious as a heart attack' status. There is no doubt that this has been politicized, and that as a result our Constitutional civil liberties are at risk of being co-opted. Just look at all the non-Corona Virus add-on that the Senate approved 96-ZERO-- Why in hell did they not pass a CLEAN BILL?
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Reply 21 - Posted by: chillijilli 3/26/2020 11:58:34 AM (No. 358627)
I wonder about when this started as well. I was on a 30 day cruise to the South Pacific for the entire month of FEB. The day before embarkation, we received an emergency notification that any passengers who had been in China or South Korea would be denied boarding---at the very last minute. That did, in fact, happen so the ship which was fully booked a year ago embarked with 22 empty cabins. Many passengers had been in contact for the prior 1-2 years thru a website called cruise critic. We were aware that the itinerary could change due to a measles outbreak in Samoa, but that was all. In fact, we were denied entry to either Samoa, so added an extra day in Bora Bora and Hawaii instead. Although everyone was required to wash their hands before eating, passengers were getting sick left and right. Always with the same thing: fever, cough, and sore throat. They were sick for > a week. The medical center was overflowing, but they never declared a novovirus as I expected. Twice we had to speed up or dock somewhere to let an ill passenger off. I didn't get sick, but 3 of the friends I spent time with did. We disembarked and all left thru LAX to our hometowns. Nobody ever asked passengers a single question, but the timing is certainly suspicious, it wasn't reported or recorded anywhere apparently.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Faldo 3/26/2020 12:01:38 PM (No. 358634)
I contracted something two years ago that had similar symptoms...swelling of the windpipe-was scary and went to see doctor to calm down. First visit in 10 years. Apparently, the corona-virus attaches to windpipe with hooked spores and they eventually drop to both lungs when the pneumonia kicks in. Why do all these corona viruses have patents...? Because they are man made. I really think the best anti-body for this virus is a full DE-CLASS of FISA (the coverup) and the illegal searches tomorrow, while everyone is at home. Will make us view the COVID-19 shutdown and the Event 201 gathering (Bill Gates/WHO propaganda exercise in Oct2019) differently.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: bedub 3/26/2020 12:50:07 PM (No. 358719)
I am in SF Bay Area. Late February I saw my pulmonary doc to renew my CPAP prescription with my DME provider so I could get supplies. I told him that I had been having a lot of what I thought were allergy symptoms that I'd never had before (I don't generally have seasonal allergies), and I had a definite tightness in my windpipe and upper chest (which was new). He listened to my chest (because that's what pulmonary docs do), said my lungs were clear. I had no fever, a mild dry cough, and had days where I was exhausted without any reason. He told me to take allergy meds, I tried nasal spray and allergy pills, not sure they helped but the symptoms abated after a week and I no longer use those meds. I'm 68, retired, in good health. I'm fairly active with volunteering and shopping around the East Bay, so lots of opportunity for exposure (and for me to expose others). I wish I could get the antibody test, so if I'm actually recovered, I can be free of worry, and I can see my kids and grandkids. My son is severely immunocompromised and I'd love to see him, and my daughter is due to deliver baby in 6 weeks. As an anecdote, I'm old enough to remember when we would take our kids to the houses of other kids who had chickenpox so they would be exposed and get it over with while they were youngsters.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Chuzzles 3/26/2020 1:22:00 PM (No. 358770)
I know of several people that had a form of flu that lasted for something like three weeks and it was very nasty for them. So I believe that this virus has indeed been around for a lot longer than what the media is letting on. Last Nov/Dec sounds about right.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: or gate 3/26/2020 7:59:18 PM (No. 359175)
We were sick in September of last year. Deep cough and hot and cold sweats.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Hermoine 3/26/2020 10:25:53 PM (No. 359294)
The virus has been here since December, if not November. Can't tell you how many people I know that tested negative for the flu but had all the symptoms including a fever that would not quit. Took them 5-7 days for them to recover. Also, our elementary school hit 9% of kids with flu or flu-like symptoms right before Christmas break -- if we had hit 10%, they would've shut down the school. Some schools in our area did shut down at that time. It's been here -- and I think it mutated and became even more contagious than the original strand (we know there are 2 strands out there). Anyway...there's a lot more to the story and it's not as deadly as the press wants us to believe.
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churches down for defying orders
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Posted by ladydawgfan 3/30/2020 1:42:35 PM Post Reply
Bill de Blasio threatened to permanently close down places of worship that don’t toe the line on New York City’s shutdown order. Specifically calling out synagogues and churches, the mayor on Friday somehow overlooked mentioning mosques in his authoritarian press conference declaration. [Tweet / video] “I want to say to all those who are preparing for the potential of religious services this weekend: If you go to your synagogue, if you go to your church and attempt to hold services after having been told so often not to, our enforcement agents will have no choice but to shut down those services,” said de Blasio.
You can now order Girl Scout
Cookies online for home delivery
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Posted by Pluperfect 3/31/2020 4:30:44 AM Post Reply
Girls Scouts of USA is about to make everyone's quarantine during the coronavirus pandemic a little bit brighter. The organization announced Friday it's now selling Girl Scout Cookies online. The COVID-19 pandemic has hit the U.S. during peak Girl Scout Cookie season, forcing the organization to suspend all its in-person activities and events to comply with public safety guidelines. But now GSUSA has made its scrumptious Thin Mints, Tagalongs and other classic Girl Scout Cookies available for sale on the organization's website. “For 108 years, Girl Scouts has been there in times of crisis and turmoil,” Girl Scouts of the USA CEO Sylvia Acevedo said in a statement.
Pelosi calls for probe into Trump’s handling
of virus: ‘What did he know and when did
he know it?’
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Posted by Imright 3/30/2020 3:57:45 AM Post Reply
Without any pushback from CNN, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Sunday that every deceased coronavirus patient’s death is attributable to President Donald Trump. And in issuing this bold insinuation, she told lie after lie after lie.“The president, his denial at the beginning, was deadly,” she said to CNN’s Jake Tapper during a discussion Sunday morning about mounting coronavirus deaths in the states.There was no “denial at the beginning.” While the president offered optimism, as he’s always wont to do, his administration has been taking actions in regard to the global coronavirus pandemic since January, when House Democrats like Pelosi were busy trying to impeach him
CBS News Caught Using Footage from
an Italian Hospital to Describe Conditions
in New York City (VIDEO)
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Posted by mc squared 3/30/2020 9:05:38 AM Post Reply
Emergency Room Footage on CBS Matches Footage from Italian Hospital! CBS News painted a dire picture from New York City this week in their coronavirus coverage. On Wednesday morning CBS aired this footage from a New York hospital. The footage matches SKY News video from inside an Italian hospital from Sunday March 22.
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