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Posted By: SurferLad, 2/27/2020 12:52:34 PM

The U.S. military is about to experience another first: Barring injury in the next few weeks, an enlisted soldier is about to become the first female Green Beret in Army history. That comes seven years after the Pentagon lifted its longtime ban on women serving in combat roles. As with all special operators, the military does not release names or identification. But the woman is expected to graduate soon from the rugged, roughly year-long qualification course and become a Special Forces engineer sergeant. Another woman is also making her way through the demanding yearlong course. The length of the course depends on the operator’s specialty

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Mushroom 2/27/2020 1:10:08 PM (No. 331312)
May she serve honorably for many years!
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Reply 2 - Posted by: KatieJo 2/27/2020 1:10:13 PM (No. 331313)
They better not lower the standards because she's a woman. If she can lug around over 100 pounds of equipment and also be able to carry a fellow Green Beret...I'd like to meet this chick! I have been weight training and doing cardio for over 35 years, pretty intensely in my younger years. At no point would I have ever considered trying such a thing and I don't generally like admitting I can't do things. I was told early on that "girls can't do dips". I ended up doing dips with a 45 pound plate strapped to my waist. It was fun watching the expression on people's faces. But this, no chance, and I don't mind admitting that I could never have done what these guys do no matter how hard I trained.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: Gruntmedic 2/27/2020 1:10:22 PM (No. 331314)
They had drop physical standard s for her to make it.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: DVC 2/27/2020 1:24:59 PM (No. 331326)
If she can honestly, fairly and with no reduction in the requirement, meet their requirements, I will support her. But, FTA "Each operator must be capable of carrying another over rugged terrain under fire and doubts persisted that even an extremely capable and fit female would be able to save a wounded colleague. The number of women who can pick up a 180-220 lb person and carry them any significant distance is extremely small, perhaps 1/10th of one percent, if that. Again, if she meets the standards, FAIRLY. I support it. I worry that the military is so compromised that the tests will be jiggered to make it "fair for her" rather than fair to those other team members around her.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: DVC 2/27/2020 1:35:37 PM (No. 331335) Long read, but in the last couple of years, the standards HAVE been lowered to accommodate women. THIA IS WRONG.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: DVC 2/27/2020 1:42:37 PM (No. 331347)
Here is the man responsible. Major General Sonntag. Obama general, forced to retire under Trump in 2019, after doing a lot of damage to the Green Berets. Apparently, they have not put the standards back where they were.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Vaquero45 2/27/2020 1:46:28 PM (No. 331354)
If she somehow makes it through the training, the Army brass will destroy ALL the records pertaining to her performance in training. That's what happened with all the women who were given a Ranger tab.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Toby Ten Bears 2/27/2020 1:57:54 PM (No. 331370)
Oh great... Are they 100% SURE it's a REAL woman... or is it one of those "New and Improved" gals that seem to be the latest fad from the kooks.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Jennie C. 2/27/2020 1:58:22 PM (No. 331372)
FTA: "The Green Berets became a legendary group especially during the Vietnam War." Well, yeah, that's when they were created, between Korea and Vietnam.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Pnstrpilot 2/27/2020 2:05:29 PM (No. 331379)
Can you say Kara Hultgreen?
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Urgent Fury 2/27/2020 2:36:23 PM (No. 331403)
The Germans, even with the Allies and the Russkies closing in, did not allow women in combat. Of course they didn't have women in government leadership positions.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: lakerman1 2/27/2020 2:55:21 PM (No. 331411)
i have a vague recollection of the Navy being under pressure to have a female carrier pilot. they produced one, over the objections of their flight instructors, and she missed her landing and died. how long ago was that? Some things never change.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 2/27/2020 3:14:09 PM (No. 331423)
If she legitimately qualified under the same standards a the men, more power to her. But I get the sneaking suspicion she was coddled along the way in order to make feminist history.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: RuckusTom 2/27/2020 3:38:16 PM (No. 331437)
I like how they put "barring injury" right up front.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: rubberneck 2/27/2020 4:08:15 PM (No. 331460)
My thinking was along the same lines as #8. What's a "female" any more? We now live in a world where "settled biological science" has been scrambled and upended. Was this candidate BORN a female? Or has she become a female sometime between then and when she decided that Green Beret U. was for her? (Will the next "Rambo" or Chuck Norris movie have a "female" lead?)
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Reply 16 - Posted by: DVC 2/27/2020 4:12:05 PM (No. 331464)
#12, Kara Hultgren. She failed to "carqual" - carrier qualify, meaning being able to safely and consistently land on a tiny piece of a ship's deck with a fixed wing aircraft. The USN was under tremendous political pressure (largely Patsy Schroeder, Congresswoman from Colorado, I believe). I had two relative in the USN as a naval aviators at the time. This was when Clinton was President, so you can bet that Hellary was reading somebody the riot act about "get women in there". Hultgren was given a second chance at carrier qualifying, an unheard of situation for a male, and the folks judging her were told in advance "she WILL qualify", regardless of actual flying skills. Of course, she qualified, and wound up flying F-14s. A close relative was an F-14 pilot, then USN test pilot, now a civilian test pilot. A few months after getting into a combat squadron, Hultgren had an engine problem, had to shut one of her two engines down in her F-14 fighter. During the single engine carrier landing, normally not particularly difficult, but less forgiving of even small errors since there is half the power available to correct for errors and sudden power changes cause yawing (due to the thrust being asymmetric with only one engine). My F-14 driver relative says "not trivial, but also no big deal if you are any good" about single engine carrier landings. Hultgren got it wrong, the aircraft departed controlled flight just short of the rear of the carrier, rolling inverted. Ejection was initiated, but the back seater has to go first, and the pilot ejection is delayed by a tiny fraction of a second. The back seater barely got out, Hultgren's ejection seat fired as the aircraft reached inverted, only 60 ft off the water, unsurvivable. When asked what happened to Hultgren, at that time, my F-14 pilot relative said simply, "She was murdered by Patsy Schroeder." Hultgren did not have the skills needed, had shown that in the first carrier qualification attempt, and apparently afterwards, too. But political pressure got her into a place where she could not cut it in a relatively standard emergency and that lack of capability caused her death. Are there women capable of being naval aviators, absolutely, YES, without question. I am related to a female naval aviator who served for for years, highly rated, instructor and then a long airline pilot career, now retired. But don't force women or other minorities where they do not earn the position against the same standards as everyone else. General Sonntag, in charge of special ops, lowering the standards to get into the Green Berets was a VERY bad thing, and now we have both men and possibly a woman who are not "the best" because the standards have been lowered. And that WILL lower their performance in combat, and people WILL die because of it.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: PCMM 2/27/2020 4:53:28 PM (No. 331487)
One of my favorite things at the gym (a 24HR gym in Orlando area) is being around some strong, beautiful, amazing women. The ferocity required to be Spec Ops is something beyond just power and stamina. This is a farce and the guys will handle this one. No need to be upset over some silly PC garbage.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: curious1 2/27/2020 4:56:32 PM (No. 331488)
I seriously doubt she could meet the standards before the obola-bots in the military lowered the standards. Lowering standards that were in place for a long time because it represented what could keep you alive in real-world combat, but was too hard for some to meet, is betraying the personnel serving under you.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: pensom2 2/27/2020 5:24:10 PM (No. 331505)
Big deal. "Female" is a flexible term nowadays.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: anniebc 2/27/2020 7:32:31 PM (No. 331604)
Haven't girls learned enough about trying to do everything boys can do now that boys are doing what girls do and beating them like snot? Good grief! Let these men do their thing, for freakin' sake. It's the same-o same-o. She qualifies, becomes a GB, and all them men she serves with have to change their way of doing things to accommodate her. Stop the madness.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: melman 2/27/2020 8:45:17 PM (No. 331631)
Didn't they find recently the RNgers had fudges requirements for females? I have no problem with female s asong as standards aren't relaxed. Lives may depend on it.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: chumley 2/27/2020 9:16:14 PM (No. 331646)
During my entire career they fudged standards for girls. It was so commonplace it wasn't even noticed. It better not have been, because anyone who did was sent to special sensitivity classes.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: enemyofthestate 2/27/2020 9:19:33 PM (No. 331649)
Upper body strength, folks. Females do not have it. A lot of males do not have it either. Fact of life. Get over it.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: red1066 2/27/2020 11:50:10 PM (No. 331715)
After a few years and every female recruit failing, the higher ups felt pressure to get at least one of them to pass the test. So they either lowered the requirements, or just turned a blind eye and ordered someone to pass a female. Any female.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: hoosierblue 2/28/2020 8:01:29 AM (No. 331862)
Still a bad idea. Biological needs different making deployment more difficult. Also, no matter how able the female is, males will still tend to protect females more that other males making more problems in the field.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: bighambone 2/28/2020 10:37:34 AM (No. 331971)
It’s great that this lady put in the extreme effort to make it through Special Forces training. The problem is that she is a huge exception because of her personal abilities and effort, as common sense will tell you there are very few women in the Army who can carry a 100 lb. pack, a personal weapon, and then on top of that carry a wounded Special Forces soldier any distance as apparently required by current standards.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: tom7 2/28/2020 11:01:33 AM (No. 331992)
I do not believe that these rare freaks are worth the huge investment required to recruit, train, and support them. Put that money toward a better ROI in national defensive capability. And do it before they start filing all the sexual harassment and discrimination lawsuits that are certain to follow.
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