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Everyone Is Wrong on Skilled Immigration

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Posted By: earlybird, 1/17/2020 8:19:55 AM

The immigration debate in our country has been dominated by huge corporations who want more (and cheaper) workers and by liberal advocacy organizations who want America to take in as many people from developing nations as possible, partly for humanitarian reasons and partly to drive up the voter rolls for the Democrats. These dueling interests have dominated for decades and led to a permissive system with a large influx of new immigrants, both legal and illegal. In response, conservative voices have pushed back on what they see as overly open immigration policies. Lost in this policy debate is what we should really be focused on: what’s good for America.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Clinger 1/17/2020 9:02:42 AM (No. 290824)
I fear that it doesn't bode well that this article has been here without comment for so long but this is essential reading. Anytime you bring people in from the suppression of other systems at any level unskilled to PHD you drag us down to their level making Americans suffer the consequences of the suppression in foreign countries. If we are to have it better here, we can't connect an unfettered pipeline to there.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: bighambone 1/17/2020 10:02:56 AM (No. 290879)
The most severe problem with the current immigration concept is that the vast majority of the foreigners being allowed to enter the USA and stay, both illegally and legally, are actually very poor, uneducated, and unskilled people with large families, who have no English language proficiency and are only qualified to perform unskilled labor. In order to survive in a developed country common sense will tell you that they will need to be subsidized through government funded healthcare and other social welfare benefits and programs. That is especially true at a time when we are being told that the number of unskilled jobs across the USA are going to greatly diminish in the coming years and decades. Politically just by their presence alone, those masses of poor foreigners help the leftist and liberal Democrat political agenda because the vast majority of them reside in low income communities that are represented by the Democrats in Congress. The Democrats see that as many of those foreigners as possible are counted in the US Census, that will happen again next year. The total census count in each State, consisting of both US citizens, and foreigners a big percentage of who are not qualified by law to vote in US elections, are then used to reapportion the numbers of Congressional representatives that each State will receive until the next census that will not occur for ten years. When that occurs the history is that undetermined numbers of congressional seats have been moved from areas of the country populated mostly by US citizens to other areas that have large populations of foreigners. When that involves low income areas customarily favoring liberal and leftist Democrats it makes it easier for the Democrats to win those seats with low vote results because large percentages of the constitutents in those new congressional districts are not qualified to vote. Some say that up to twenty-four Congressional seats could well be reapportioned, as a result of the number of foreigners who can’t vote being counted in next years census. If that actually occurs and they become New Democrat Congressional seats starting in 2022, it will be impossible for the Republicans to ever again become the majority in the House of Representatives. A happening that would ensure that if any Republicans who are ever elected President in the future will be impeached by the leftist and liberal Democrats who will immediately seek to undo those elections. This great demographic change came to be because over the years the Democrats have engineered the immigration laws, and sabotaged all effective immigration law enforcement activities over decades, to allow huge numbers of poor and uneducated socialist minded foreigners into the USA and to stay knowing that the majority of them who become naturalized US citizens are bound to be future Democrat voters. The wimpy Republicans allowed the Democrats to do that because those Democrat created immigration schemes provided huge amounts of cheap foreign labor for their business connected political contributors.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: kidsmom 1/17/2020 10:05:39 AM (No. 290884)
Finally! A thoughtful article on immigration that lays out what's really going on. Our citizenship process is broken and has been so for a long time. It is past time to fix the citizenship debacle. Texas is in danger of becoming our next blue state. If that news doesn't curl your hair, nothing will.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jacksin5 1/17/2020 10:12:04 AM (No. 290893)
Countries like India crank out skilled people from their education system, yet there is no incentive to create the jobs that would keep them there. Here's a lesson from PDJT, create a business-friendly environment, and the jobs will come. India can do better than being the leader in the call-center industry.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: joew9 1/17/2020 10:31:45 AM (No. 290907)
I must disagree with his proposal that the skilled immigrant problem of lowering wages for skilled citizens would be solved if the immigrant were allowed to change jobs at will. Apparently he does not understand that most of the H1B's are being hired and sponsored by contract firms that were created just to launder the HIB sponsorship away from the American company so the American company could say we don't hire H1B's. The company I work for does not sponsor H1B's. But the contract firm does and supplies nearly 2000 H1B's to the company. Plus the contract firms supply workers for many companies so the skilled immigrant can already change jobs at will to any company that the contract firm services. Or just move to another contract firm. Skilled American wages have been effectively cut in half since 1980. The requirement for H1B was that the company could not find a skilled American for some of these highly technical jobs. And it was supposed to be highly highly technical. Not just run of the mill 2 year grad C++ programmers. The requirement did not include that the company could not find a skilled American to work for much lower wages. It was that they couldn't find a skilled American at all when even high salaries were offered. But the companies began cheating that rule immediately. We used to read the classified ads in the back of EETimes where it was clear companies were advertising a job position for a specific person that they already had in mind. The job requirements would read like a persons resume instead of general skill requirements. The ad was just so the company could claim they met the H1B requirement of trying to find an American. I remember one such ad where the requirement was that the applicant should have 2-1/2 months experience on an odd ball ADA compiler that no one was actually using anymore. Obviously that was on his resume. And 2-1/2 months experience is pointlessly small. Then by 2000 companies got bolder and didn't even bother with the fake ads. Then by 2005 companies just plain fired their American staff and replaced them in whole with H1B's at 1/3 the pay. Then later when this began to be talked out publicly - mostly because of the brazen firing at DisneyWorld that made the headlines - many companies realized they better not be so obvious so contract firms were created to launder the H1B's from being directly sponsored by the company. And here we are today. Wages down by half. Skilled American workers frequently can't even get an interview and are told they must go through the contract firm. But the contract firm is run by Indians who only hire other Indians. My college roommates have been out of work for several years and I can't even get them an interview at my company even though their skills fit the job postings perfectly.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: mc squared 1/17/2020 10:54:04 AM (No. 290924)
Bravo for #5's posting. There was a manager from India at the company I worked for, and every week or so he went to the airport to pick up more cousins from India. He once told me he bought several houses by closing all on the same day so none of the other mortgages would show yet. I forgot how many he claimed to have, nor who lived in them.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: seamusm 1/17/2020 11:01:23 AM (No. 290935)
Interesting but I do not include skilled workers who come from China. They are thieves for their homeland including the graduate students and post-doc fellows who return to China with US intellectual property in their pockets/heads.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog 1/17/2020 11:18:05 AM (No. 290953)
We have more than enough people of all colors, races, religions, skills, languages etc. etc. There isn't a soul on the planet who doesn't want 'a better life.' It isn't a license to migrate. America is full. Stay home and improve things there not least because it's long overdue.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Chuzzles 1/17/2020 11:54:14 AM (No. 290982)
One of the conclusions I have come to, based on reading elsewhere, is that the Microsoft security issues could go away overnight if Bill Gates would stop hiring the inferior IT people from India. From the experiences I have read about elsewhere, they are huge problems in our IT industry that nobody wants to admit to. So Gates is continuing to get away with endangering personal security, as well as our national security all because he wants the cheap labor. He has a nasty price to pay someday for his betrayal of our nation like this. So do the other corporations who want cheap labor over national security.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Chuzzles 1/17/2020 12:02:49 PM (No. 290986)
Something else to consider here as well. These corporations have leverage for now as long as all the legal restrictions are in place. If they ever got amnesty, does anyone here think that those illegals would stay in the shadows and accept the low wages? I sure don't. They are going to demand the higher living wages now that they are here legally, and those companies are going to be in shock and a world of hurt by the blowback.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: DVC 1/17/2020 12:38:53 PM (No. 291012)
The problem with this "bring over the best people" is that a surplus of a particular kind of worker (brought in by H1B) will SUPPRESSES THE WAGES in that job category. And this prevents American kids from choosing to go to college in that area. The engineering company my wife retired from hires MANY H1B Indians to fill jobs. They are happy to keep their costs down this way. I have watched this at work with a nephew that I was advising on his future. He was seriously considering becoming an airline pilot, until he talked with a young friend who is an airline pilot. That friend is one of the really lucky ones, a total aircraft lover, and one who spent 20 years at lower paying jobs to get to the major airline job he has now. Becoming an airline pilot today, right out of college, would involve at bare $90K in schooling costs (not including living and eating) at one of the large aviation colleges (in N. Dakota and Fla, go figure), probably a lot more than that. And the starting wages in the airline industry these days are nothing like what those outside the industry imagine. A commuter pilot at the entry level these days will earn from $16,000 to $25,000 per year. These pay scales shocked him and convinced him to go another way. He has become an electronics communications specialist in the US Marines, and will have many jobs waiting for him after he leaves the Corp. Cheap immigrant labor, used for keeping business' costs low, seems like a good idea to the businesses, but it is a very real barrier to Americans training up for those jobs. If the free market were permitted to work properly without importing outsiders to distort the market, wages would rise when there is a shortage of a particular skill, and more students would choose that specialty, which would eventually level out the wages at the correct MARKET DETERMINED level, and we would have Americans working in those jobs, not foreigners. A hideous side effect is that these imported folks are largely leftists, too.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Timber Queen 1/17/2020 12:52:31 PM (No. 291024)
I was called by Rasmussen last night for an automated survey on immigration. There was one question about the H1B immigrants. I chose response #1; H1Bs should be restricted and American jobs protected. I also strongly supported E-Verify to be used by every employer. I tell the truth about my party affiliation and demographics. I strongly support every conservative response and positive declaration about President Trump. I feel I am representing all those conservatives who lament, "I never get called for a poll." This is my second Rasmussen in a year. I know a lot of folks just hang up on pollsters or think they're clever to lie to them. To each his own, but I feel its important to engage in the poll and answer truthfully. My poll experiences began five years ago when I was called about the local issue of Indian casinos by a nice sounding young woman. Rather than just answer the questions, I also engaged the gal several times throughout the interview. My first question was who sponsored the poll and she answered they couldn't reveal that information. I said that it was OK because the questions and possible responses would reveal the intention of the survey. Within the first few questions I identified that it was probably the Indian tribe that wants a new casino. She missed a beat and I knew I was right. As she continued I also pointed out the similarity of the questions and how the answers subtly move a person originally against the casino to end the survey in support of the idea. I knew she couldn't really talk to me, but I heard lots of "Ohs". It felt good to do a little subversive civic education. I expected to never be called again, however she called a second time for another survey and I continued her instruction. I was also called by a young man and interacted in the same way. I stopped getting calls and figured some supervisor had listened to the tapes. Then six month ago I got a Rasmussen automated call and knew I had made it into the mainstream polling data base as a responsive number. I tell this story to encourage others that we can have impact with national polls, but only if we don't hang up the phone for the little local ones. Interact with the caller. They are mostly young people trying to make a buck and you can make their evening interesting and slip in some thought provoking questions or comments of your own. The commies took over through one interaction at a time. It seems to be a good tactic and its time we use it too. MAGA-KAG: Its an everyday duty.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter 1/17/2020 12:56:49 PM (No. 291026)
I'm torn on the issue. Having worked with Indian's and some Chinese in IT for the past 30 years they are either really really good or really really bad. To be good, they must assimilate and learn the language and customs of America. Some cannot be understood. IT is increasingly creating the new "fashionable" trend of the future. Currently it's called "digital" which I finally figured out was the "Internet of Things"... I'm retired and glad to be out of the rat race. My last gig I was managing a project using Agile. I told my team you won't be using Agile in 5 years. They told me I was crazy. I am not. The next fad in methodology will come along from a Big 4 Accounting firm and companies will pay $50,000,000 to implement it... But their internal processes never change, so it still won't synch... Good luck folks! I'm out!
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Reply 14 - Posted by: cold porridge 1/17/2020 1:41:24 PM (No. 291082)
The author's last name tells me all I need to know.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: JHHolliday 1/17/2020 2:21:18 PM (No. 291108)
The last group the author mentions is the one I favor. Shut the borders completely and allow no immigration at all for a period of five years. Skilled or unskilled, this country is being overrun by people from all over the world. My local high school has to give announcements in English and Spanish and our hospital's maternity ward had to be doubled. Enough is enough.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: tom7 1/17/2020 4:49:16 PM (No. 291219)
As you might guess when someone claims that "everyone else has it wrong", that someone is probably an idiot. This article bears out that guess. Patel firmly believes the simplistic notion that some kind of IQ test determines the value of a person, the quality of a fellow citizen, and the virtue of their claim to American citizenship. He could hardly be more wrong.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Mike22 1/17/2020 8:18:21 PM (No. 291326)
Companies claim: Doing the jobs that there are no Americans to fill. Doing the jobs that there are not enough Americans with this skill. And on and on. Nonsense. Companies cheat. It would take more than 300 words to describe all the ways they cheat. To get cheap, compliant labor. Just like the unskilled labor market there may not be any Americans available at the low wages companies want to pay, but that's not all. There also may be no Americans willing to act totally compliant to their manager's whims and wishes (They're actually not). There are few Americans as good at managing bosses as many foreign workers, at telling management whatever they want to hear, at explaining why something doesn't work or didn't get done, at knowing what management won't check on and skipping that task, and generally fooling middle managers. I have seen resumes from the contracting companies that make their consultants/contractees sound like Steve Wozniak, Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Larry Ellison and Bob Miner all rolled into one giant prize package. However, when interviewed, not exactly. All while lowering American wages and American IT expertise.
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On January 17, 2020, President Donald Trump pointed to the gun control situation in Virginia, noting that it proves once more the Democrats “will take your guns” if voted into office. He made this point amid the all-out war on guns by Gov. Ralph Northam (D) and the newly elected Democrat majority in the state legislature. (Tweet) Virginia Democrats started this week intent on passing legislation allowing a total ban on the ownership of AR-15s and similar guns, but they dropped the confiscatory bill after thousands of NRA members flooded the hallways outside state Senate offices.Yet the Democrats are still pushing an “assault weapons” ban that would only allow
Black Americans deeply pessimistic
about country under president who
more than 8 in 10 describe as ‘a
racist,’ Post-Ipsos poll finds
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Posted by Ribicon 1/18/2020 11:06:37 PM Post Reply
President Donald Trump made a stark appeal to black Americans during the 2016 election when he asked, “What have you got to lose?” Three years later, black Americans have rendered their verdict on his presidency with a deeply pessimistic assessment of their place in the United States under a leader seen by an overwhelming majority as racist. The findings come from a Washington Post-Ipsos poll of African Americans nationwide, which reveals fears about whether their children will have a fair shot to succeed and a belief that white Americans don’t fully appreciate the discrimination that black people experience.
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