Are We Really Not Going to
Talk About That Ukrainian 737?
American Spectator,
by
Scott McKay
Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect,
1/9/2020 4:31:48 AM
What we’re going to do here is take a little bit of a leap in our analysis, but the look of the tea leaves coming out of Tuesday night’s events, your author believes, justifies it.
Let’s start not with Iran‘s rather empty missile attack on a pair of military installations in Iraq at which American personnel are stationed, in which 15 missiles were fired and no human casualties were inflicted. Instead, let’s start with that plane.
You know about the plane, right? That would be Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752, which took off from Imam Khomeini Airport in Tehran at 6:12 a.m. local time, accelerated quickly to 275 knots,
Reply 1 - Posted by:
DCGIRL 1/9/2020 5:55:47 AM (No. 282963)
My husband and I debated this issue yesterday afternoon. I'm saying yes and my husband said it's a long shot. If it was engine trouble, then turn over the black box to Ukraine. I'm sticking with one of those missiles hitting the plane just after take off.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Mushroom 1/9/2020 5:58:24 AM (No. 282965)
It doesn't make sense, Boeing covered up for TWA800, why wouldn't they cover up a missile failure?
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
judy 1/9/2020 6:15:31 AM (No. 282972)
Will the UN, the media & the dems demand Iran turn over the black box ...after all they went bonkers over one death...Soleimani ...176 died ...where's the concern?
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Strike3 1/9/2020 6:41:50 AM (No. 282990)
Various sources that tracked the 15 missiles say that the two events were four hours apart. That does not discount a 16th missile fired in haste at an "enemy aircraft" but with all of the monitoring gear we have over there in the atmosphere and in space I would believe that the US knows whether that happened or not. I suspect a bomb placed on board before takeoff as an attempt to try to pin it on the US.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
chumley 1/9/2020 6:57:58 AM (No. 283003)
What this whole thing over the last week demonstrates is that we are dealing with a completely inept enemy, as all Moslem countries have turned out to be. This isn't being discussed in the news because the communists in government can get a lot more scary mileage against the president if the Moslems are perceived as a formidable foe.
They are not. They are cave men.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
John C 1/9/2020 6:59:40 AM (No. 283008)
FYI: From Post Media News:
At least 30 Edmontonians, most with ties to the University of Alberta, are among the 176 people killed — 63 of them Canadian-
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Rinktum 1/9/2020 7:05:14 AM (No. 283012)
The sin of omission my be more deadly than that of spreading falsehoods. To ignore something means that it was of no consequence. Sad to believe that the 180 souls are an inconvenient truth to the media. No curiosity. No searching for truth. Just silence that says those lives don’t matter.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Rama41 1/9/2020 7:07:46 AM (No. 283014)
I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall at yesterday's Teheran Air Defense Sector briefings.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Gruntmedic 1/9/2020 8:15:31 AM (No. 283061)
Some Irainian posted a picture of part of an anti-aircraft missle.
Someone in Dubai was using flight tracker and said the airspeed dropped to zero all of a sudden.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Safari Man 1/9/2020 8:19:35 AM (No. 283065)
Bomb-on-board is the most likely scenario. Much easier to pull off and conceal than a missile which can easily be seen. When Trump said 52, the Mullahs said "290" alluding to Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by the Vincennes.
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Too bad it’s so far from the border to Tehran. I’d bet that some USAF colonels and majors spent that whole night flying circles in AWACS planes as close to Iran as possible. They’d have tapes—and there’d be proof. But it's too far.
But it’s also virtually certain that some army specialists sitting in a bunker somewhere in Saudi or Iraq spent that whole night listening to the Irani air defense net—or maybe an NSA guy listening in a cubicle. They’d have tapes, too. Or an electronic intelligence aircraft (flying the same circles as the AWACS planes) detected a radar changing from search to fire control at the time—that would be recorded.
Five gets you ten the government knows the answer already. Will they tell us? Five gets you ten says no, they have to preserve "sources and methods" until they can come up with a collaborating source. Or, if the answer is no, there's no good reason to stop rumors that Iran shot it down.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
walcb 1/9/2020 8:35:23 AM (No. 283085)
Missile aimed at Iraq hitting a plane is unlikely. It was either a bomb or an anti aircraft missile. Who specifically was on board? Epstein did not kill himself.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Clinger 1/9/2020 8:40:07 AM (No. 283097)
Of course we are going to ignore it. Iran needs to proclaim victory over the great Satan and we need to avoid a full scale war. Hopefully we stopped the escalating attacks by Iran on American interests. If Iran has been smacked down sufficiently to knock it off our work is done.
Canada is welcome to address the murder of their citizens as they see fit.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
JunkYardDog 1/9/2020 8:57:04 AM (No. 283120)
The Iranians refusal to turn over the black box has serious implications; the author's hypothesis, that the Iranians shot the airliner out of the sky-mistaking it for an American aircraft or cruise missile fired in retaliation for their missile salvos-is quite within the realm of possibility. I doubt that the Iranians are afraid of conclusions the NTSB might draw from the black box data, what they fear is the response from their own citizenry if indeed the regime was responsible for killing 80 innocent Iranians thru incompetence. We may see the Islamic Revolution come to an end in Iran. The sight of burning pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini would send shockwaves throughout the entire Middle East.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
udanja99 1/9/2020 8:58:30 AM (No. 283123)
Does anyone remember the plane which took off from either JFK or LaGuardia in NYC shortly after 9/11/2001 and crashed in Brooklyn? That story disappeared within a day or two. I still wonder why.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
MDConservative 1/9/2020 10:01:56 AM (No. 283210)
Let's talk about this, but let's have the facts, not speculation...like suggesting a surface-to-surface ballistic missile was used to take the flight down, or some itchy finger launched a SAM. It is apparent Iran is trying to maintain secure control of all information/data...maybe they just don't trust Boeing or international NGOs. If the cause was a bomb, why would Iran's government take down a Ukrainian civilian plane near its capital shortly after launching a wave of missiles?
After more than 40 years of repression, let's also not confer ready-to-revolt status to that ever-acquiescent Iranian "middle class" that has largely grown up under the Ayatollahs' iron rule. The "real Iran" is out in the hills, and very religiously conservative.
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One lost engine still leaves power to radio, transponder, et al.
This was not an engine failure.
A 737 with one engine can still fly.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
toddh 1/9/2020 11:36:19 AM (No. 283304)
#15 - The vertical stabilizer came off because the co-pilot overstressed it while recovering from wake turbulence behind a 747. The stabilizer was found about a mile from the crash site. Once it was found the immediate cause of the crash was known - the tail coming apart - and all that remained was to find out *why* the vertical stabilizer separated. On Oct. 26, 2004, only three years after the crash, the NTSB released their report. It is available on the NTSB site and archives. That the cause was so obvious so soon after the crash may be why the story seemed to go away: there was simply nothing to report until the NTSB released their findings.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
kono 1/9/2020 12:15:34 PM (No. 283363)
Who or what was on that plane that was considered such a threat that a whole planeful of ordinary civilians would be sacrificed to prevent that plane from making the trip? And how come not even one of the Left's notorious rotation of loose cannons has accused Trump, yet, of responsibility for downing a civilian airliner?
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
DVC 1/9/2020 12:30:06 PM (No. 283394)
I give 90% odds that it was (in Clue fashion) "Mahamoud, in the SAM trailer with a SAM".
Giving 3rd world morons advanced weapons is like giving a chimp a loaded gun. Somebody is going to get shot.
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