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Posted By: MissMolly, 12/19/2019 4:06:52 AM

The House has voted to impeach President Trump. The historical significance of this event lies mainly in the fact that, until now, no president has been impeached without some allegation in an article of impeachment that he committed a crime. This was also the first impeachment proceeding that had no support in the House from a single member of the president’s party. Legal scholars disagree as to whether impeachment requires a crime. However, the Constitution provides that impeachment of a president is to be for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” I find it hard to read this language as permitting impeachment

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Deety 12/19/2019 6:04:14 AM (No. 266450)
Congratulations - Organized Crime(D) has just impeached itself. Its criminal motives, criminal intent, criminal propaganda machine and criminal modus operandi are now all crystal clear. Nice job, suckers. Now it's the White Knight's move, and he already knows how this game ends.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Kitty Myers 12/19/2019 6:42:22 AM (No. 266463)
Mark Levin said: "What the Democrats have done here will only be stopped and the precedent that is so damning to this country will only be stopped if it is unleashed on them. The next president who's a Democrat must be impeached. They must be investigated over and over again, follow exactly the Schiff-Nadler procedures, the Nancy Pelosi process. It must be done. I know it sounds painful. I had a caller say to me the other day when I said that it was disingenuous, that it shows that we're no better than them. No, that's wrong. It shows we must defeat this internal Fifth Column enemy. And they must understand that we have the willingness to do it so they don't pull this again because otherwise, this is the precedent set in place now. Republicans will be rollovers for the rest of their time and Democrats will be bulldogs. We can't allow that." Works for me.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: ARKfamily 12/19/2019 7:30:21 AM (No. 266498)
We have had warning signs all along. Brett Kavanaugh comes to mind. Hillary Clinton and Democrats are very sore losers.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: raspberry 12/19/2019 7:34:20 AM (No. 266502)
These Democrats have become Stalinist and are now committing slow suicide. Good for them. I can't wait to see how the President plays this up to and past his reelection. MAGA Mr. President. We are with you and thank you for showing us the way back.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Krause 12/19/2019 7:41:09 AM (No. 266509)
One of the all-time worst mistakes in American politics. But, it shows the true nature of the democrat party to all to see.....power at any cost. They've been working on impeachment for 3 years, even before Trump did anything as President! The people are doing much better under Trump, and the democrats, if they ever get back in presidential power, will undo all of which Trump accomplished, and will actually work against the American people. This will actually make Trump support stronger though, and Pelosi will be regarded as a very poor leader.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: JackBurton 12/19/2019 7:44:27 AM (No. 266515)
Two things. I actually felt worse when Obama got re-elected. The pussy-hat, genital costume, violent Democrats were, I guess, always headed in this direction. It's a shame they got the power they did in the mid-term election. With that said, we have the means to clean this up (Senate) and nail the coffin shut (2020 election.) NOT as bad as four more years of .... Barry Sotero. Speaking of which, with the impeachment bar lowered, and Barry's actual crimes. The next Barry will get removed. Wot?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper 12/19/2019 7:52:58 AM (No. 266528)
With barry it was all about his color and being called a racist even though he did commit very impeachable acts. What a mistake the Republicans made by playing nice. I hope they have learned their lesson (probably not).
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rumblehog 12/19/2019 7:56:51 AM (No. 266532)
This is akin to some young punks in a crowded shopping mall pulling the fire alarm just for laughs. Impeachment is a device of last resort that's been hijacked by hyper-partisan Demonrats for the purpose of staining a sitting President in the hopes of reducing his effectiveness on the world stage, and damaging his ability to win the next election. I believe there are two more sinister motives here: 1) Clinton payback for a) Bill Clinton's impeachment b) Trump's beating Hillary like a rented mule c) Trump's debate comment that "she'd be in jail" 2) Democrats seek to inoculate themselves from future investigations into Ukraine-Gate. If the current Administration continues to investigate DNC money laundering of taxpayer-funded foreign aid, they'll claim it's Donald Trump trying to get back at them for Impeachment. What Dems don't understand is that it's apparent to all that POTUS was innocent but that THEY committed true crimes. Deport George Soros 2020
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Reply 9 - Posted by: udanja99 12/19/2019 8:11:35 AM (No. 266544)
Rush had an interesting take on this a day or two ago and it’s something that the demonrats should have considered before they took this insane move. Since impeachment is the worst they can do to him and it has been done, he is free to now come back at them with all the power and fury of his office. He can unleash hell on them and there’s nothing they can do about it. Would they really dare to hold more “inquiries” and add more articles of impeachment in the next 11 months? They’ve already slit their wrists so any new antics would only make them bleed out faster.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: little guy 12/19/2019 8:16:54 AM (No. 266550)
The correct response should be that the Senate dismisses this whole thing out of hand as the partisan farce hack job and bare knuckles politics it is and grant summary judgement to Trump after a quick vote to not even hear the Demo-rats case. No need to give them a forum. Then, on November 3, 2020, it will be up to us, we the people to witch-slap Pelosi and her crooked cronies and take back the House. Once that happens, then in January 2021 (on Trump's re-election coattails) the new House's FIRST order of business after being called to order should be a joint resolution condemning Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, et.al. for really abusing their power. Then a second, clean Resolution retracting the December 2020 Impeachment vote in it's entirety from a year earlier! Basically, an apology and a do over. Note to all Dems: The die has been cast, the gauntlet throw down, the Rubicon crossed and the slap in the face and spit in our eye have all been delivered. We saw and heard you and we accept the challenge to a duel. You are now ALL our sworn enemies no matter if you are local, county, state or federal --- friend or relative --- and we will now stop at nothing pay you back! In spades. See you on the the battlefield.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/19/2019 8:54:48 AM (No. 266603)
The worst nightmare of the Founding Fathers, that Impeachment would be turned into a partisan weapon to attack political opponents, has come true. Neither of the two articles is a crime, except in the fevered minds of President Trump's attackers. Exercising Constitutional separation of powers is not obstruction of congress. If they had charged President Trump with "spitting on the sidewalk", it would have greater validity. At least that was a misdemeanor on the books in some places. But, to claim it was an impeachable offense would be absurd!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/19/2019 8:56:53 AM (No. 266607)
#9, I had Rush's program on the other day and he indeed made this observation. But, the President probably needs to await closure of this farce in the Senate first. How soon the President can unleash his fury on the dims and the msm depends on what path McConnell takes. Either McConnell cuts this farce off at the knees, regardless if articles are/are not delivered, and Senate votes now to forego a Senate proceeding OR if he forges ahead with a long trial and eventual acquittal. These will determine how soon the President can act. But, as other news sources report, the dims and msm seek to sabotage the President's second term since they know reelection is a foregone conclusion. Any way you look at it, it's war and the fuse is lit.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: bpl40 12/19/2019 8:59:02 AM (No. 266612)
This is in the classic style of Lavrentiy Beria. Show me the man and I will show you the crime! If calls for impeachment two days before inauguration signify something else inquiring minds want to know.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Deety 12/19/2019 9:01:59 AM (No. 266614)
MAGA demands that criminal gangs and criminal mobs be apprehended, prosecuted and crushed. It doesn’t matter if you’re called MS-13, The Mafia, CNN, or The Democrat Party.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: HotRod 12/19/2019 9:42:40 AM (No. 266655)
I think everyone understands (even democrats) that this was not a real impeachment. It was nothing more than a partisan operation to influence the 2020 election. Putin is proud! He couldn't have done better. Problem is, it has already backfired. President Trump's approval rating is up. Likely voters for him are up. Fundraising-for him and the Republicans- is up. The stock market is up. All the things good for America are up, except for democrat's failure to legislate for the country. They have wasted time and money on partisan politics. We see, understand, and will vote them out!
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Chuzzles 12/19/2019 9:51:09 AM (No. 266662)
Not only are the congressional democrats rushing to their own destruction, but they are also attacking some of the most basic and cherished tenets of our legal system as well. Like client attorney privilege(Cohen office raid), privacy (spygate, GJ testimony, Trump's taxes as a private citizen, etc) coercion of the worst sort, Flynn, Manafort, Stone/Mueller investigation) and one of the biggest attacks, innocent until proven guilty and net needing any kind of real crime in order to impeach. This behavior undercuts our entire legals system, and cheapens our entire system that makes America great. Seriously, they are outdoing the old Soviet system in their rush to hurt the nation and invalidate our national choice and vote. What the democrats don't seem to get yet is that thanks to Trump, we are totally now willing to turn their own rules against democrats. All the precedents they are setting are going to come back to bite them someday. Karma is a harsh mistress, and she has very sharp teeth.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: DVC 12/19/2019 9:54:01 AM (No. 266666)
Even NeverTrumper Mirengoff can see the unconstitutional insanity of this move.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Zumkopf 12/19/2019 9:54:36 AM (No. 266667)
The Senate should receive the Articles (should SanFranNan deign to send them) and when the House Managers show up for Impeachment Trial day one, before they speak, entertain a motion for judgment on the pleadings.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: bigfatslob 12/19/2019 10:10:08 AM (No. 266693)
This is so ridiculous according to leftist democrats with their crazy 'impeachment on the brain' I'm committing a crime just sitting in my house and my crime is I voted for Donald Trump in 2016. That's how frivolous this is. Voting for your favorite candidate in an election is now a crime. Should we turn this on them? I say 'no' that's when we lose this nation and fall into chaos. The President needs to move forward with us following and keep your eyes on Virginia it just might be our Bunkerhill concerning the 2nd Amendment. KAG
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Reply 20 - Posted by: rsgonner 12/19/2019 12:48:30 PM (No. 266850)
Regarding the second so-called article: every time a president vetos a bill they now can be impeached for obstructing the will of congress. The Senate needs to crush San Fran Nan and her profaning the concept of impeachment in a clear and unambiguous manner. Then the electorate needs to throw this trash out in November.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: RedWhite&Blue2 12/19/2019 1:00:13 PM (No. 266866)
OK class, pay attention! Today’s essay assignment.. Give me names... Who are the REAL deplorables? Who are the REAL irredeemables? Start writing!
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Luke21 12/19/2019 1:17:10 PM (No. 266889)
They have done this for decades, with increasing boldness and success. Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, Kavanaugh and Trump. All were attacked through show trials and media collusion with Democrats. Only Bill Clinton suffered the same fate with Republicans appearing scared, half witted and intimidated by the media throughout.
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