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Horowitz report is damning for the FBI
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Posted By: StormCnter, 12/11/2019 1:57:32 PM

The analysis of the report by Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz greatly depends, as is often the case, on which cable news channel you watch. Indeed, many people might be excused for concluding that Horowitz spent 476 pages to primarily conclude one thing, which is that the Justice Department acted within its guidelines in starting its investigation into the 2016 campaign of President Trump. Horowitz did say that the original decision to investigate was within the discretionary standard of the Justice Department. That standard for the predication of an investigation is low, simply requiring “articulable facts.” He said that, since this is a low discretionary standard,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: stablemoney 12/11/2019 2:35:13 PM (No. 259216)
But that is the problem, Mr. Horowitz, there were NO "artuculable facts". Please read your report, Mr. Horowitz, which lists all "facts" as lies. Sorry you did not address that the FBI HQ has NEVER done an investigation, that being done with the applicable field office, HQ being the office of supervision and administration---unless it is an investigation of Trump, and an insurance policy to remove him from office.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird 12/11/2019 3:00:15 PM (No. 259241)
Re #1, the tip from Australia that Page had information from a Russian would have been sufficient to open a low level investigation. Not an investigation of the magnitude that was employed here. See this article by a former longtime FBI agent, which has also been verified as SOP by Mark Wauck, also a former long time FBI agent. The FBI received a notification from a friendly country, which is known to be Australia, that a Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, had received a “suggestion” from Russia that it could assist the campaign by releasing information “damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama).” That was it. That’s the justification. Here’s what that thin predication was adequate for in the FBI I grew up in: An agent from a field office, not headquarters, would have contacted Mr. Papadopoulos, interviewed him to get more details, enlisted his cooperation against the Russians, if warranted, and that would have been it. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/473784-misfired-hurricane-comeys-team-abused-carter-page-and-the-fbi
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Reply 3 - Posted by: judy 12/11/2019 3:04:07 PM (No. 259244)
How about all the people who lost millions in legal fees about a fake dossier? Where's the outrage from the republicans? Pay all the legal fees & apologize.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird 12/11/2019 3:05:23 PM (No. 259248)
Just noticed in my Reply that Brock referred to Papadopoulos. Crossfire Hurricane was opened based upon information on Papadopoulos.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: earlybird 12/11/2019 3:11:22 PM (No. 259253)
From the article linked in #2, important information we should know about: The IG can assess that the investigation was technically justified, but in tradition and common counterintelligence practice it was not — particularly, and especially, since it involved the incredibly sensitive specter of investigating a presidential campaign. It was overkill on very lightweight assertions by a team of individuals in leadership positions who appeared to be driven by personal agendas, rather than normal protocols and practices. As a full investigation, the Comey “Crossfire Hurricane” team could unleash every investigative weapon at the bureau’s disposal — and they did. According to the report, the team used techniques usually reserved for suspects actively spying and stealing national security secrets on behalf of a foreign enemy. The team ran confidential sources and undercover operatives against members of a presidential campaign and secretly recorded their conversations. Please understand, this was unprecedented in the history of the FBI. And, in what amounts to a profound disgrace to everything the FBI stands for, the team obtained authorization to electronically eavesdrop on a U.S. citizen, former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, through duplicity — by withholding information, falsifying information, using uncorroborated information, and by using a source whom the FBI knew was unreliable and not credible. And they did it four times. Major espionage cases don’t typically run FISA intercepts nearly that long. Again, this type of reckless rush and inexplicably irresponsible behavior only begins to make sense when viewed through a biased filter. Recommend a read of the entire linked article.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Shmowry1 12/11/2019 3:14:14 PM (No. 259256)
How can you say that the investigation was predicated on a dossier compiled by a political competitor and was utter horse pucky, and in the same report conclude that these were articulable facts? How? How?
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Reply 7 - Posted by: JunkYardDog 12/11/2019 3:36:29 PM (No. 259274)
MAY I LIVE TO SEE ANDREW MCCABE ARRESTED ON CNN LIVE TV WHILE LYING ABOUT HIS INVOLVMENT. Perp walk him right in front of Anderson Cooper, the former CIA turned "TV commentator" (full-blown propagandist)
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Reply 8 - Posted by: davew 12/11/2019 4:59:43 PM (No. 259308)
So the mysterious Mr. Mifsud meets with Papadopoulos out of the blue based on a meeting set up by the assistant to Downer and casually suggests to young George that the Russians have damaging material on Hillary. Then, about four weeks later George is set up by Downer's assistant to meet with Downer himself who has a few drinks with him where George suggests that the Russians may have material on Hillary. All this is reported to foreign intelligence sources and shelved until Wikileaks announces that it has received hacked DNC emails. At this time the foreign intelligence sources contact the FBI who open the Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence investigation. This doesn't seem like a legitimate predicate, this seems like a sting or setup. Who directed Downer and Mifsud to run this scheme on the junior Trump aide, Papadopoulos. Maybe that's why John Durham disagrees with Horowitz' contention that this was a legitimate predicate to spy on the Trump campaign.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: bighambone 12/11/2019 5:36:07 PM (No. 259334)
It’s like a bad joke on the American people and democracy when the elected Republican President of the USA has his constitutional discretion to conduct foreign affairs as he sees fit challenged by leftist and liberal Congressional Democrats, because they don’t like him taking on suspected Democrat corruption in a foreign country that is receiving large amounts of US foreign aid monies, under the threat of Democrat engineered impeachment inquisition, actual impeachment, and removal from office. While at the same time the Democrats are attempting to protect a bunch of DOJ/FBI unelected super bureaucrats who created regulations and policies that amount to an open barn door that gives them the discretion to open an investigation against a political candidate for President, and his political campaign, who they did not like, based upon the receipt of unverified information from that candidates opponent’s paid political operatives, and foreign sources including a supposedly retired British spy and unknown Russians. While keeping that investigation open on the elected President and his staff even after determining that the information that they used as predication in the first place was unfounded, and then going ahead and defrauding the federal courts, while leaking all sorts of supposed DOJ/FBI information that was adverse to the President to the liberal media. If the Democrats go on and win the 2020 election after all that malfeasance, the USA is going to be in real trouble.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: DVC 12/11/2019 6:18:27 PM (No. 259371)
A retired FBI agent called in to Rush's show today, and was very unhappy what has been going on at his former agency. Says it is a sad day for the country, and a sad day for the FBI.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: doctorfixit 12/14/2019 3:20:55 AM (No. 261680)
The entire Obama KGB-Gestapo spy apparatus - corrupt from top-to-bottom, enemies of the American people, and must be de-funded, dismantled, and demolished. NSA-CIA-DOJ-FBI-DIA-ATF-IRS. Gone.
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