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Posted By: Pluperfect, 12/10/2019 4:06:32 AM

In the hours after U.S. Attorney John Durham announced Monday that he did not "agree" with key findings by Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz, speculation swirled over what Durham has uncovered in his ongoing review into potential surveillance abuses against President Trump's team. Durham's inquiry has had a broader scope than Horowitz's, including a focus on foreign actors as well as the CIA, while Horowitz concentrated his attention on the DOJ and FBI. Additionally, Durham's criminal review has had additional investigative resources not available to Horowitz.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Deety 12/10/2019 6:19:37 AM (No. 257711)
This means that PDT has known all along that Horowitz is just a Deep State whitewasher. A pawn, perhaps, but just for the theatrics.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Turninggrey 12/10/2019 6:48:27 AM (No. 257725)
So when he shows that the administrative flowchart went from Obama->Justice Department->CIA->DNI->FBI-> and all are corrupt, can we have a fair re examination of the Clinton crime organization?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 12/10/2019 6:48:30 AM (No. 257726)
I'm beginning to think we should fire anyone who entered the federal government during either the Zippy or the Klintoon mal-administrations.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Cynical Backstory 12/10/2019 7:04:34 AM (No. 257738)
I lost any faith I might have had in Horowitz’s judgment after his first report couldn’t find any “bias” anywhere, at all, ever, so help me God. After this mealy- mouthed whitewash report that couldn’t find any bias, again, I think I have a clue into his character. This man (Horowitz) is totally swayed by sincerity. If the interviewee is somber and sincere enough, can spin a sincere enough story, sincerely refute any inconsistencies, and be sincerely aghast at the thought of any wrongdoings or their part, Horowitz rolls over for them and believes them utterly. In spite of having reports, emails, and other proofs in his hands that give lie to their every utterance, he falls for the sincerity every time. Horowitz has to be an inside joke in the entire DC government. He sure is in my eyes.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: BarryNo 12/10/2019 7:37:12 AM (No. 257755)
Here is what you do to solve the corruption problem: Everyone with a federal job can be reviewed and terminated at will by the incoming elected officials who are their ultimate bosses. A Federal Employee may not conceal any activities from his elected superior - doing so is a felony. Encourage the practice of appointments of non-elected positions as 'second jobs' or perhaps rentals from the private sector. A non-elected position should be considered an honor, temporary, and not a permanent guaranteed position. Because the rot is institutional, and firmly imbedded.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Paperpuncher 12/10/2019 7:40:53 AM (No. 257761)
Oh no Mr. Horowitz I have no bias against anyone! Apparently there are no consequences for lying to an IG versus lying to the FBI.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 12/10/2019 7:44:14 AM (No. 257763)
I think it has become clear that the IG positions are a toothless tiger that create a semblance of oversight. They are made to protect the bureaucracy from more serious, even criminal investigation. They also buy time for the public's anger and memory to fade. "Don't worry, the IG is checking it out." Two years later, "IG says paper pushers made some "Oops" mistakes. No bad intentions found (even though there were clearly bad results). We will tweak our rules to fix it. Nothing else to see here. Move on." The IRS gaming deductions for Conservative organizations certainly impacted the election. That's pretty darn serious. Nothing was done. Until we put teeth in government oversight, the bureaucracy will feel safe running amok. Hopefully we get something hardcore out of Dunham's investigation. He has the reputation of delivering, even against the FBI and intelligence agencies. The fact that Dunham and Barr have spoken up certainly gives us hope. I also hope it won't take too much longer for indictments. Patience may be a virtue, but infinite patience can make you a patsy. Justice infinitely delayed is justice denied.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: dman 12/10/2019 7:45:38 AM (No. 257766)
It seems that these "deep state" reports are written by the Lame Stream Media: The headline [conclusion] has little or nothing to do with the facts, which are buried way down in the article [report]. Based on that: my expectations on these deep state reports and investigations - even Durham's - are zip nada zero zilch. /s It is well past time for a new political party to really drain the swamp - all of the executive branch agencies. All of them. Neither of the two "major" parties will get it done. They are a big part of the problem.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: Venturer 12/10/2019 7:59:04 AM (No. 257779)
Report after report and nothing found that can be used. I am glad some people can still be optimistic, but I have no more faith left. I give Barr and Durham perhaps a 10% chance of getting a few pawns, but no Bishops, Knights ,definitely not the Queen
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Kafka2 12/10/2019 8:54:27 AM (No. 257818)
This reminds me of when James Comey listed all of Hillary's violations of security regulations and then said there was no indictment because she did not "intend" to violate the security regulations. (If you violate security regulations you are guilty, if you "intend" to or not.) The Horowitz characterizes tampering with evidence, suppression of exculpatory evidence, and lying to the FISA court as not being biased, just sloppy procedure. Another Deep State whitewash.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: gone2pot 12/10/2019 9:01:41 AM (No. 257828)
Don't get rope-a-doped kids. Durham's stuff will go nowhere. Remember Ms Graham is involved up to his eyeballs as are MANY if not ALL GOP senators in Ukraine corruption and THAT is where the Russia hoax originated. It has been proven beyond argument by John Solomon and now Glenn Beck, completely and totally ignored by the Marxist media (well, they continue with their "debunked" lie) and probably 80 percent of Americans. And, let's not forget, Ms Graham's interview last Sunday about how Trump will not be allowed to mount a defense and all sweet "conservative (no really, he's a conservative-he even says so)" Lindsey is going to do is let the Marxist House lay out their case, then call for an immediate Senate vote. Why do you think that is? Do you REALLY think Ms Graham wants it to end because impeachment is tearing the country apart? Please pet your purple unicorn for me if you do. Again, Durham's stuff will go nowhere. Carter Page's, George Papadopolous' and General Flynn's destroyed lives by the FBI just aren't worth the trouble to fix. I mean, the Fourth Amendment is only for Saudi foreign "exchange" flight students and illegal aliens, right? Yes Rio Lindans what you think is jaundice on my part is actually reality.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: chillijilli 12/10/2019 9:04:52 AM (No. 257834)
Unfortunately, not ALL eyes are on Durham as the header claims. ALL eyes don't even know who Durham is. I've watched and surfed and scanned and can't find an MSM source reporting on Durham, with the exception of conservative sites.. So once again, how are MSM viewers and readers supposed to know about something they don't know about?
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rumblehog 12/10/2019 9:14:57 AM (No. 257846)
All of Horowitz's phone records, text messages, and e-mails need to be examined by Mr. Durham. It's time to investigate the investigator of the investigators. Better yet, how about allowing the AG offices of Texas, Oklahoma, and Alabama come to Washington D.C. and perform an "audit" of the FBI? Allowing Foxes to guard Hen-houses is never a good thing.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: starboard 12/10/2019 9:17:17 AM (No. 257851)
I knew as soon as I saw a photo of Horowitz that his report would resemble him ... toothless milk toast.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Strike3 12/10/2019 9:21:02 AM (No. 257855)
No political bias. We only have e-mail messages on private and government computers stating hatred for Donald Trump and the need for Barack Obama to be informed of everything. Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Page, Strock-Stroke-Struck declared open hatred for Donald Trump and it's in those e-mails. Even though the Trump-Russia connection has been thoroughly debunked they still declare it a matter for continued investigation. We have an out of control House of Representatives that has stolen three years of salaries and lavish benefits and done none of their assigned work. The problem with oversight of government is that the intelligence agencies declare themselves exempt and classify their actions at a high level to prevent discovery, even blocking certain information from the White House. Actual crimes committed by Congress, State Dept. and the Obama White House continue to go uninvestigated, Benghazi, millions of illegal donations to the Clinton Crime foundation, Biden-Ukraine corruption, CIA-IRS-NSA abuse and overreach and several murders of great benefit to the Clintons. Don't make the American people take over this job because we are more than willing.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: bighambone 12/10/2019 9:25:50 AM (No. 257863)
The leftist and liberal Democrats are claiming that the Horowitz IG Report is good enough for government work, nothing to see and move on to impeaching President Trump. But the US Attorney conducting a criminal investigation into what could be the related biggest political scandal in US history said not so fast. So as President Trump always says we will see what happens.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Dodge Boy 12/10/2019 9:28:45 AM (No. 257871)
So after all this drama, buildup, and anticipation, we get a puff ball report about FISA abuses. The government HAS gone rogue.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Firebase 12/10/2019 9:31:36 AM (No. 257877)
So it's more circular evidence. It's ok if it's weak at the time of the FISA request and then when called out on it later they claim oh, no, that's not what made us make on our decisions. More of the Democrats' perfect crimes, Hillary style. That attorney the democrats brought, Barry Berke, DEFEDNDS impossible situations of white collar crime, defended Blasio on campaign fraud. However now he was called on to do yet again the impossible but in the offensive mode, make charges stick on Mr Trump, yawn. His anger and aggression must have delighted the grandstand snowflakes. So the democrats got their cauldron a brewing, throwing in everything they can think of, they are going to scheme, lie and trick their way to win in 2020 with all of these Soviet style trials and theatrics, just like they did the 2016 election. lol. They certainly are taking the long route but they've convinced themselves this all going to work. Wait and see democrats-more egg on your face is coming.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: qr4j 12/10/2019 9:42:28 AM (No. 257892)
Horowitz lists 17 "mistakes" made in the FISA request -- not 1 but 17! -- but then says there was no bias in deciding to investigate Mr. Trump and his campaign. This sounds an AWFUL LOT like Comey when he states all the "mistakes" made by Hillary and then said they were unintended acts that do not deserve punishment. Funny how the "mistakes" standard doesn't apply to Republicans who have done far less than the FBI and Hillary.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: millstream 12/10/2019 9:48:34 AM (No. 257898)
the Horowitz report is useful as it nails down "under oath" testimony that was likely presented in "best light possible" from each of these participants. Now Durham can compare that to the testimony he received or as Paul Harvey used to say..."the rest of the story". It's hard to imagine how the IG can accept the origins of the $30 million and 2 plus year investigation Crossfire Hurricane as an unfocused conversation with George Papadoupolis at a bar and not draw a conclusion of bias but then that is his job...sustain the staus quo.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: DVC 12/10/2019 1:10:10 PM (No. 258071)
The nature of the IG positions is that it is capable of handling anything internal up to and including misappropriation of copier paper, and an improperly documented business trip. Much beyond that, and the investigative powers (no ability to compel testimony!) are so limited that an IG is wildly inappropriate for this sort of a massive internationally connected coup attempt. Using an IG against this sort of a wide ranging, internationally rigged coup attempt is like using your home hand held fire extinguisher against a blazing gasoline tanker truck. However effective that 2 lb dry chemical unit may be on a kitchen grease fire, it is a joke and hopelessly inadequate for the tanker fire. Especially when the tanker fire was set by the firemen who were hired to prevent such things. I hope AG Barr, and Prosecutor Durham, with much, much wider powers, and already having personally traveled overseas to talk to witnesses, will be able to extinguish this arson fire, set by Brennan, Comey, Clapper, Strzok, Page, Priestap, both Ohrs, and many, many more evil minons. And put these traitors in prison for a long time.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Foghorn 12/10/2019 1:23:08 PM (No. 258082)
America must understand Democrats will never be prosecuted, never. No matter what is uncovered there will be no prosecution or convictions. That's just wishful thinking.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: earlybird 12/10/2019 4:32:47 PM (No. 258205)
Here’s an interesting article. Have a read… IMPORTANT UPDATES: AG Barr Speaks I don't know how to embed this video interview of Bill Barr from Fox News, so I'll offer a transcript of the video. What's on the video is in addition to the summary of the interview that's in the text of the article--and in my view is by far the most important part. Barr is very much focused on what happened after the election, and when you realize that the FISA renewals continued up into the beginning of the Mueller witchhunt, and that the same people were involved, you can see that Barr and Durham are now expanding their investigation to include Mueller's operation. Overall, I think you'll be impressed with Barr's grasp of what went down beginning in 2016, his understanding of both the big picture as well as the details, and his sense of outrage. More here:
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