Donald Trump reverses plans
for flavoured e-cigarette ban
BBC News,
by
Staff
Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk,
11/18/2019 1:26:55 PM
President Donald Trump has reversed plans to ban flavoured e-cigarettes amid a national youth vaping crisis, US media report.
He announced plans for a ban in September, but reportedly decided not to enact it this month because of possible job losses and voter pushback.
(Snip) Mr Trump decided not to sign off on a "decision memo", fearing potential job losses and voter anger, the newspaper reported. The New York Times also reported that "allies working for the vaping industry" had warned him that such a move could cost him support.
First Lady Melania Trump and the president's eldest daughter, Ivanka, had advocated the ban.
Reply 1 - Posted by:
TLCary 11/18/2019 1:36:21 PM (No. 238431)
Odd how the "my body my choice" crowd isn't cheering President Trump's decision to let free people be as stupid and destructive as they want. Odd...
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Enoch Powell 11/18/2019 1:38:39 PM (No. 238434)
OMG. But! But! It's for the children!! Government has no business banning products willy nilly in the free market. It's a matter of principle. Ban cars how about it. Jeez. Conservative principles go up in smoke when somebody's hobby horse is at stake.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
MDConservative 11/18/2019 1:48:27 PM (No. 238444)
Really, the states can restrict or ban sales of these products if they are so disposed. So, have at it. Not everything must be nationalized.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
jacksin5 11/18/2019 1:48:47 PM (No. 238445)
An article by the BBC, quoting the NYT. Not sources I would trust to explain the reasoning behind PDJT's actions.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Illinois Mom 11/18/2019 1:55:59 PM (No. 238453)
I have never smoked or used e-cigarettes but I know many who do. Some of them used it to kick the tobacco habit and others just like vaping. Used properly, they are relatively harmless, many still contain nicotine, but they are not going to cause the damage that has been reported.
I read just last week that they are finding that the majority who became sick or died were using off market cannabis and other essential oils not intended to be inhaled. Inhaling any oil is going to damage the lungs and the effects are very difficult to reverse.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Rumblehog 11/18/2019 2:17:44 PM (No. 238475)
The ones who are dying are the ones who "mix their own" with some of the strong street marijuana. Professionally manufactured vaping liquids are not the problem.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
davew 11/18/2019 2:22:25 PM (No. 238488)
As we know from history trying to legislate good behavior is doomed to failure especially when it involves pleasurable experiences like nicotine ingestion. The current panic over the vaping deaths has filled the headlines but when you look at the scientific analysis of the causes they have all been linked to use of illegal THC based products that used Vitamin E acetate to produce smoke vapor. The Vitamin E oil apparently destroys the tissues in the lung needed to exchange O2 and CO2. Vaping with legal commercial products such as Juul has not produced any deaths.
The issue with flavored products is centered on the belief that this was designed to attract minors to smoke. Minors were smoking illegally long before flavored e-cigarettes and the focus should be on preventing this illegal behavior irrespective of the flavor of the product. Many adults enjoy the flavored products which is their choice. If people want to consume legal products like nicotine or alcohol or high cholesterol burgers or chocolate cake they have the right to make their own health decisions for good or bad. I would never vape and I would advise anyone thinking of doing it to find a vice that doesn't create an addictive dependency like nicotine but I'm not their mother.
The President is just trying to use common sense and defend adult behavior choices that do not impact other people. I respect that he is not simply reacting to popular delusions and the madness of crowds. What amazes me is that people will beat him up over vaping but have no problem pushing for the legalization of pot which is an intoxicant that can affect other people through accidents and diminished capacity of the user. The irony for the legal cannabis proponents is that their business model can't work as their stock prices are demonstrating. Nobody is going to pay a legal premium in price for the same pot they have been getting from their corner dealer for years. If nobody is enforcing the pot laws in most states there's no extra value to the legal pot products. In this case the laws of economics are limiting the commercial opportunity in pot while also making advertising unprofitable (unlike the cigarette industry).
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Timber Queen 11/18/2019 2:37:04 PM (No. 238512)
Vaping is an alternative delivery system for nicotine. The anti-cigarette crowd criticisms centered on smoke; unhealthy to lungs - both to users and supposedly to others nearby, it made clothes and interiors stinky, ashtrays were gross and licking one was equated to kissing a smoker. The percentage of smokers in the country dropped from a majority to approximately a 25% minority.
Vaping was invented as an alternative for the much maligned smoker to be "socially acceptable" and a possible tool in ultimately quitting the nicotine habit. It became popular. In states where marijuana was legalized it was a no-brainer that vaping would also be used as a delivery system for THC. Both tobacco and marijuana are illegal for minors, no matter the delivery system.
Since vaping was not a smoke producing product it could advertise on TV, unlike the tobacco companies who saw their already shrunken customer base shrinking even more. Vaping has been available for several years, but it is only very recently that the Fake News began swamping us with reports of hundreds of deaths due to vaping. All these deaths suddenly out of the blue? My BS meter pegged. I think the truth lies closer to Big Tobacco spreading the same lies used against them to smear and hobble a competitor, if not destroy them all together.
TK and I roll our own cigarettes using a handy machine with bulk tobacco (no chemicals or additives) and filter-tip tubes. We haven't supported Big Tobacco, or paid state and federal government extortion taxes, for 20 years. Our son switched to vaping because he has small children. Its a choice free people should be able to make without the nanny state butting into their lives. If its a free market then BT has no business using Big Government to do their dirty work, just as BG should stop supporting BT and open up tobacco growing to private farmers like they have with marijuana. That is, if we really have a free market. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store not a federal agency.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Newtsche 11/18/2019 2:53:51 PM (No. 238534)
An informed choice from Pres. Trump, thank you. Combustible tobacco products are over and so is the cash cow that entails. Sorry, Big Tobacco and state coffers that cleaned up on smoking-related settlements, find your blood money elsewhere.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Hermoine 11/18/2019 3:05:09 PM (No. 238539)
"Hey, kid, put down that vaping device and chow down on these pot-filled gummy bears and brownies!"
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
TexaTucky 11/18/2019 3:26:39 PM (No. 238562)
See, fascists are very particular about their chemical concoctions. If it only maims the innocent, they want it banned. They demand more efficacious potions for their final solution, like intrauterine saline injections and cyanide showers.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
web 11/18/2019 5:22:56 PM (No. 238645)
If not for e-cigarettes I would still be smoking regular cigarettes, which were ruined about ten years ago when the busybodies forced Congress to make them all "fire safe." They may now be fire safe, but are definitely not very safe for human lungs, because of whatever additives they now have in them. Forced me to quit cigarettes because they were making me cough. Smoked for 40 years before that and never had a problem.
My e-cigarettes are only water vapor and nicotine, and I don't know why anyone would want a flavored e-cigarette. I want mine to be flavored like a cigarette. To taste like a cigarette. I now satisfy my nicotine habit and have no cough or any other side effects. Alright, so I am still addicted to nicotine. What business is it of yours, or the government?
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Buford Gooch 11/18/2019 6:08:51 PM (No. 238661)
Sorry, but the ban would be stupid. It has not been legal, legitimate E-cig producers involved in the deaths. They are from illegal sales that are cut with dangerous (to the lungs) materials.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Newtsche 11/18/2019 6:33:30 PM (No. 238673)
My story pretty much mirrors yours, #12.
N. -- unapologetic nic lover
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
HoneymoonGal 11/18/2019 7:44:53 PM (No. 238714)
Another former smoker turned vaper. Both my husband and I made the switch and are healthier and happier for it. In September when the possible ban was announced, we both wrote very respectful letters to President Trump explaining that vaping was the only way we have been successful at quitting smoking. We don't buy stuff off the street, we either go to a reliable local shop, or buy from legitimate online American sources. We tried and tried to quit smoking. Patches and gum did nothing for us. Vaping is what turned it around for us.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
chumley 11/18/2019 9:19:55 PM (No. 238776)
How about this? How about you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone? You dont like what I do? Fine. Dont do it. I probably wouldn't like you much either.
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