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Trump, the phone call,
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Posted By: Pluperfect, 11/4/2019 4:16:47 AM

The July 25 call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Vlodomyr Zelensky is the central piece of evidence in the Democratic drive to remove the president from office. "That call was a smoking gun," Speaker Nancy Pelosi said after House Democrats voted to formalize their impeachment inquiry. Trump has repeatedly said the call was "perfect," or, as he described it on Sunday, "perfecto." His defenders, or most of them, have declined to adopt that characterization. But importantly, the president, and others as well, have also pointed to the circumstances of the Trump-Zelensky conversation as evidence that Trump had no intent to commit any sort of offense,

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Deety 11/4/2019 5:33:06 AM (No. 226496)
How many times did Our Lightbringer enact a quid pro quo with foreign agents to the purposeful detriment of the USA? I forget, was it 72, 189, or 8,336 times? Asking Ukraine to help uncover serious corruption(D) is not Donald Trump's personal whim, it is his sworn duty as president.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: Rinktum 11/4/2019 6:07:43 AM (No. 226511)
Donald Trump is not stupid. He knows his every word is being heard and dissected. He knows that he had numerous people listening in on that conversation. He is right. Read the transcript. Schiff and his fellow travelers are dishonest and dangerous. They are the very people undermining the founding principles of this nation. They lie, obfuscate, and omit whatever benefits them. They want to damage this President because when Durham and Barr decide to reveal their findings they can scream, retaliation! Wait for it, it is coming and is the reason the dems had to have this impeachment farce heating up.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: singermom9820 11/4/2019 6:20:33 AM (No. 226518)
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Reply 4 - Posted by: jar 11/4/2019 6:48:44 AM (No. 226538)
Intent. Trump "had no intent to commit any sort of offense." How well that "lack of intent" served Hillary when Comey got her off the hook. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
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Reply 5 - Posted by: curious1 11/4/2019 7:00:46 AM (No. 226547)
The transcript shows he didn't do what the commies are claiming. The real twist is that as president in a normal world he is expected to do what they are screaming about, because what they are screaminv about isn't a crime. He has exposed one way the congresscritters steal our tax dollars and stuff them into their own pockets. They don't like that.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: jeffkinnh 11/4/2019 7:01:52 AM (No. 226548)
This accusation is the epitome of absurdity. There is no criminality here. There is, at most, a question of the tone or intent of the call. Given more background, the intent of the call is clear and legitimate. The president has every right to ask about criminality that may involve the US, even if dems may be up to their necks in it. Yet, the dems are launching an impeachment "investigation" based on a question of tone. To reasonable people the tone was fine. But even for opponents of Trump, you are willing to IMPEACH over tone? Does that mean when BO said we could keep our insurance, doctors, and hospitals when he KNEW we couldn't that we should have impeached him? BO admitted many "mistakes". Should he have been impeached for them? We need to address this absurdity in law. After Trump is re elected, we need to outline requirements for impeachment to BLOCK such absurdity in the future.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: JackBurton 11/4/2019 8:00:09 AM (No. 226607)
I don't believe he did anything wrong. (read the transcripts, been staying informed, etc) The problem is that the Donks don't believe that he'll do anything right. And they get bent about that.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Laotzu 11/4/2019 9:04:22 AM (No. 226682)
What the Bidens and Clintons did for years was illegal and improper -- selling access and influence. The Dems learned generations ago the best defense is a good offense.
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Reply 9 - Posted by: earlybird 11/4/2019 9:24:38 AM (No. 226715)
Only hack lawyers would toss around “consciousness of guilt” when it clearly did not apply to the circumstances. A good lawyer would know that it did not apply here. President Trump had nothing to do with the preparation of the transcript. And, of what was he purportedly guilty? Being President? Talking with his counterpart in another country? Asking for assistance under an existing treaty? Kamala Harris. Jeffrey Toobin. Case closed.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: ivehadit 11/4/2019 9:37:17 AM (No. 226731)
It is clear as day that there are those trying to stop any and all investigations into the 2016 election aka Spygate(and others). They think they are clever with calling the president's investigations, "obstruction of justice"? NO SALE. We know who is truly obstructing justice.
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