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The fate of the Kurds

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Posted By: Hazymac, 10/8/2019 8:08:07 AM

"In an extraordinary Sunday night statement, the White House announces that the US 'will no longer be in the immediate area' of Northern Syria, allow Turkey to launch an invasion in the region and give Turkey responsibility for captured ISIS fighters in the area." NBC News. There were immediate accusations that the Trump administration had greenlighted a Turkish offensive against the Kurds. It is not clear as of this writing how deep the US troop withdrawal from the Kurdish front line will be. The NYT reported that "it was unclear how extensive the Turkish operation would be, or whether Turkish forces would clash with the American-backed Kurds."

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Reply 1 - Posted by: chumley 10/8/2019 8:19:30 AM (No. 200922)
I am uncomfortable with this but good grief. We have been hyperextednded all over the world since WW2, trying to right every wrong, save the innocent and make the world safe for democracy. We have failed. We cant even do it here with the communist take over going on. At some point we have to say enough. Moslems have been killing each other for centuries and they continue to at every opportunity. They like it. Anything we might do in that regard just delays the inevitable.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: seamusm 10/8/2019 8:42:45 AM (No. 200948)
We welcomed the assistance Kurds gave us in the fight against ISIS but the 'withdrawal' of US forces is a complex issue - not a simple abandonment of an ally. Like Trump I am tired of the endless wars against the forces of evil around the world. And equating the over half century of our troops stationed in Europe to keeping our military in the Middle East ignores the reality that no one was dying from roadside bombs around our military bases in Europe. The Kurds believe they are entitled to a homeland carved out of the nation of Turkey and have been the object of Turkish human rights abuses for much of the last century but I for one don't want our troops dying in their fight against their oppressors.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: fayebeck 10/8/2019 8:58:32 AM (No. 200965)
Until America becomes supportive of Venezuela and the commies in our hemisphere, to hell with it all.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: ilovedogs 10/8/2019 9:01:19 AM (No. 200967)
Of all of the lot of them, we owe the Kurds....let's bring them on over.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: fayebeck 10/8/2019 9:01:45 AM (No. 200970)
Until America is as "concerned" about Venezuela and commies in our hemisphere then to hell with it all. Ignore above post.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bur Oak 10/8/2019 9:05:57 AM (No. 200983)
It's also time for the US to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: iraengneer 10/8/2019 9:11:54 AM (No. 200996)
"We are the friends of liberty everywhere, but the guardians of none but our own." Anyone remember that advice from an earlier, wiser era?. We have been paying an enormous cost in blood and treasure for well over a century as the various hawkish factions chase American Greatness as their God. Yes, since WW2. But the USA had no business in WW1 either (curse you, Woodrow Wilson). Or in the Spanish American War (curse you, William Randolph Hearst). Or others. Yes, the Turks are demon besotted heathen sleaze bags, always have been: ask the Armenians. So? It is not our business or responsibility as a nation. If it bothers you, pick up a rifle and kit bag, and go there on your own dime. Not mine.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: Chuzzles 10/8/2019 9:20:00 AM (No. 201006)
Since when does the Left care about the Kurds? This is all about Trump keeping another one of his campaign promises. Gotta say that if Trump is making the right people upset, he is doing very well. He turned Cher pro war even. Is there anything the Troll Master cannot do?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: zoidberg 10/8/2019 9:25:13 AM (No. 201011)
Withdrawal should have come with a warning to the Turks about harming the Kurds.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna 10/8/2019 9:25:33 AM (No. 201014)
Old timers around here may remember when I used to post from Kirkuk, (Iraqi Kurdistan). 2006-2007.....I found the Kurds to be great fun, happy, Christian warriors compared to the dour, sad, beat-down Muslims in central and southern Iraq. They provided us with great food and even the occasional case of Canadian Whisky. Even's their fight and their neighborhood. I wish them well but Trump is right once again.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: RU4us 10/8/2019 9:29:44 AM (No. 201017)
Why all this "unclearity"? Was there no CIA, weenie mole listening in the that conversation?
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Reply 12 - Posted by: curious1 10/8/2019 9:31:59 AM (No. 201019)
I read we'll be pulling all 25 US troops from the area in question. If true, our troops are even better than I thought they were these days; that only 25 could keep the entire Turk 'army' at bay. And the Kurds and Turks have been fighting for ages - they saw what the Turks did to the Armenians. The Kurds have loads better weaponry now. I think they'll be able to handle it, and the President told the Turks if they double-cross him their economy is toast. So there is that, too.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Terry_tr6 10/8/2019 9:41:26 AM (No. 201036)
the kurds are like the Taliban was when they were fighting the russians. they will take help from anyone who helps them as long as it helps them. When we leave(and we have to leave at sometime), they will go back to fighting the turks and the turks will go back to fighting them. No one in the mid-east wants peace, they just want to be in charge and the fighting will continue until only one side is left. Our mission should be to keep them slaughtering each other until there are only 2 muslims left and then keep them restrained just out of each other's reach. That will keep them busy till the end of time.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: NorthernDog 10/8/2019 9:51:44 AM (No. 201050)
FTA: the Kurds have long envisaged their own country. Unfortunately, partitioning the requisite territory for creating such an independent state would mean disaster. The Kurds are spread out over 4 countries-Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. And I doubt any of those countries would willingly give up territory for a Kurdish state. There is no way for the US to solve a problem like this - especially in the volatile Middle East.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: DVC 10/8/2019 10:31:30 AM (No. 201103)
Iraq and Syria were intentionally created to maximize the number of competing tribes and disparate, conflicting groups which were combined into "one country" when they were created. THIS IS NOT A BUG, it is a feature, carefully crafted to keep them fighting and squabbling amongst themselves for a LONG time so they could not easily or quickly reorganize their Islamic armies to again attack Europe. The damned (literally) Islamic hordes of 7th century barbarians have been attacking out of the middle east for 14 centuries, off and on, and when the evil Ottoman empire collapsed after WW1, the intelligent people put in charge were not interested in the Islamists re-assembiling themselves like the Terminator liquid metal after being blown up, and rapidly coming back at Europe. Let them squabble, and each Muslim that kills another Muslim makes one fewer that we will have to kill ourselves. As to the Kurds, make sure that they have plenty of guns, ammunition and whatever else military hardware that they need, and perhaps an occasional advisor or two. Muslims have been killing and enslaving "the infidels" for 1400 years, and I will not be upset at any bad things that happen to them. Clearing the way for them to kill each other is a good thing.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Strike3 10/8/2019 11:11:33 AM (No. 201161)
This is much ado about nothing. We still have a concentration of carriers and planes within minutes striking distance of every square foot of Syria. Anybody who tries to take advantage of this small gap left in defensive coverage will come out very sorry.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: DVC 10/8/2019 12:05:00 PM (No. 201225)
#14, that "lamentable" situation is not an accident, it is a planned feature of the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Sykes and Picot did this intentionally, and it has worked for a century now, although we keep forgetting that it was INTENDED that they fight amongst themselves to keep them week and focussed inward with their warlike nature.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: GO3 10/8/2019 12:12:02 PM (No. 201229)
Right, #17. Old proverb: If you kill all the spiders in the house, killing all the flies just became your job.
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