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Posted By: Pluperfect, 8/11/2019 5:04:16 AM

August 10, 1969: SAN CLEMENTE, Calif.—President Nixon accused his predecessor Lyndon Baines Johnson of complicity in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Speaking with reporters on the first day of a 10-day stay at his Pacific Ocean vacation home …. Of course, that never happened. Obviously. How could it, how dare it? But had it happened, such an accusation—by a president, against a former president—would have convulsed the United States and the world. Today, President Trump accused his predecessor, Bill Clinton—or possibly his 2016 campaign opponent, former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—of complicity in the death of the accused sex-trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein.


This is one time I give the president a pass on his unleashed Twittering. I'd be willing to bet the theory has occurred to David Frum, too.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: PChristopher 8/11/2019 5:11:49 AM (No. 148784)
The thing that really grates a lot of people on the Left is that, outlandish as his statements and tweets might be, he's usually proven right. Anyone who thinks that Epstein committed suicide doesn't understand how Washington works since it was poisoned by the Clintons.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: M2 8/11/2019 6:02:00 AM (No. 148792)
How often is Trump wrong, Frum?
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Reply 3 - Posted by: George R. 8/11/2019 6:15:21 AM (No. 148797)
The Atlantic must really be hurting...having to rely on writers, the quality of Frum, is telling. I don't expect the Atlantic to be around much longer.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Evocatus 8/11/2019 6:28:51 AM (No. 148807)
The less they like him does not make him any less the President. in fact, it makes him more so, especially when he so often is proved right. And those who like him, like him more, and show it at the ballot box.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: atexaslupine 8/11/2019 6:45:41 AM (No. 148815)
suppose instead, perhaps, Nixon had accused the younger brother of President Kennedy of--oh, I don't know--being complicit in the death of a young female campaign worker? THEN we might be getting somewhere....
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Reply 6 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 8/11/2019 6:48:21 AM (No. 148817)
Wow that was fast. Makes me wonder when you wrote this Frum. Hillary give you the heads up to get it ready to give to the Atlantic to publish? My. my I dost think the slime doth protest too much. Sorry, Mr Shakespeare for the borrowed words, but I just couldn't resist, and as you are one of those nasty white men who are being constantly trashed, I doubt that you would mind.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 8/11/2019 6:54:26 AM (No. 148820)
Sorry but I had to add this addition to my comment, Mr Frum seems to know very little of history to think that Presidents did not speak ill of each other and he apparently knows little of the American people to think that somehow words would "convulse" the nation. The snowflakes are convulsed at every turn, but most of us know words are words, and it in the deed that we truly know the measure of the man. And this President has done great "deeds" for the American economy and for the American people. So get a grip, David, for pete's sake grow up. You and your party seem to have a real hard time because this man does not suffer fools lightly and speaks his mind and answers each of your insults with an even more creative one.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: philsner 8/11/2019 6:58:33 AM (No. 148821)
Well OP, it's so benevolent of you to "give the president a pass". How long has he been standing at your door waiting for it?
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Reply 9 - Posted by: NancyD 8/11/2019 7:11:38 AM (No. 148829)
OP, Trump has to use Twitter because the media refuses to report the truth. If you don't know that by now, you don't read news articles and watch the news and probably get your news from Facebook. Frum is just one more Resist liberal. It's so tiresome that the constant attacks by the media has lost its effect.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: WhamDBambam 8/11/2019 7:11:47 AM (No. 148830)
Frum mutters so well.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: BarryNo 8/11/2019 7:44:09 AM (No. 148845)
Frankly, Frum, if Nixon had said that a out Johnson, would the media reported it? Johnson was another Democrat known to have benefited legally from the untimely, violent deaths of his associates. The term, "Texas Justice" was coined due to corruption during his tenure as Governor of that state. Trump is respected by his followers for calling it as he sees it. And he's not the only one thinking those thoughts.
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Reply 12 - Posted by: StormCnter 8/11/2019 7:48:17 AM (No. 148849)
Lyndon Johnson was never governor of Texas, #11.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: tom7 8/11/2019 8:15:43 AM (No. 148881)
The insane rants of Frum and his Atlantic colleagues will indeed linger in shame and disgrace for a very long time. The left media is past the point of recovery.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: jinx 8/11/2019 8:20:00 AM (No. 148886)
Let's see. I don't recall over one hundred people who work for Pres. Trump being killed in accidents, by suicide, or murdered , yet that is what happened to anyone close to the Clinton's who knew too much and threatened to spill the beans. Go figure.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: Lawsy0 8/11/2019 8:29:42 AM (No. 148899)
Unless he was a passenger on the Epstein flights, David Frum should give it a rest until the results are in. He is damply dreaming again.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: anniebc 8/11/2019 8:29:54 AM (No. 148900)
Frummm, frummmm.... tick, tick, tick, tick. My engine just died. Boring.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: h24015 8/11/2019 8:48:48 AM (No. 148923)
Wait a second. I know it's a weekend and I haven't been paying much attention but did Trump actually tweet that Bill and Hillary are complicit in this?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: StormCnter 8/11/2019 8:58:01 AM (No. 148931)
Trump retweeted a Terrence Williams tweet, #17: Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this! RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily — Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019
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Reply 19 - Posted by: montwoodcliff 8/11/2019 9:12:03 AM (No. 148940)
I’m late to the party, but here goes. Frum is a Never-Trumper on the outside, looking in. In spite of what he says, he isn’t accepting Trump as president. As another poster said, Trump always turns out to be right. People think he shoots from the hip, but he knows what he is talking about. Trump is way ahead of the curve because he is smart and also has inside information. I would go so far as to say that Trump knows something as to where Obama was born. That will get you going! But wasn’t Obama the first one to go after a predecessor? As far as Frump goes, I think he wants to avoid Arkancide by running this screed.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: stablemoney 8/11/2019 9:12:31 AM (No. 148941)
I keep my days Frumless. The result is serenity and peace.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Laotzu 8/11/2019 9:50:26 AM (No. 148977)
Trump accused his predecessor, Bill Clinton—or possibly his 2016 campaign opponent, former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—of complicity in the death of the accused sex-trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. Frum omits a hyperlink to the tweet he cites. But the remainder of the article includes three other hyperlinks. #FakeNnews.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: Sunhan65 8/11/2019 10:20:54 AM (No. 149007)
At the bottom of Frum's idiotic tantrum there is a link that reads "We want to hear what you think about this article." No, you don't. I think David Frum is a paid-off bottom feeder who made his living for decades masquerading as a conservative while lunching with fashionable liberals at the bottom of their progressive septic tank. His advice to the Republican Party, after his establishment GOP President had thoroughly discredited it, was to abandon border control, embrace illegals, and seek votes among various disgruntled minority groups. In retrospect, adopting Frum's recommendations would have been electoral assisted suicide for the GOP. By pursuing the precise opposite of Frum's agenda, Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton and became the President who has started to save this country. Whether Frum can't see all of this because he's stupid, or won't see it because it would make his advice as worthless as he is, doesn't matter to me. I was a Reagan conservative back when Frum was a red-diaper baby in our shared home country. He came to our conservative party late and left as soon as the cool kids did. When Frum quit National Review, he announced he was forming "an online community that will be exciting and appealing to younger readers, a generation often repelled by today's mainstream conservatism." That went nowhere fast and was soon absorbed by The Daily Beast. So was Frum. He is now what he has always been: A self-promoting opportunist who makes his living pretending to be conservative. And that's what I think of this article, Atlantic.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: bpl40 8/11/2019 10:24:01 AM (No. 149011)
The real shame and disgrace is the soiling of the highest office of the land by the grifter and the nineteen Arkancides by Mrs. McBeth.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: Italiano 8/11/2019 10:29:07 AM (No. 149021)
When Bill Clinton finally comes out and says that "We'll probably never know why Jeffrey...," we'll know,
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Reply 25 - Posted by: rochow 8/11/2019 10:59:01 AM (No. 149062)
Anything written by Frum belongs in the trash.
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Reply 26 - Posted by: red1066 8/11/2019 11:03:08 AM (No. 149066)
Nixon's rant had no basis in fact. Trump's does. The Clinton's, or at least Bill had a great deal of involvement with Epstein, and had quite a bit of skin in the game as it were.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: greggojo 8/11/2019 11:09:37 AM (No. 149072)
Like most above have said, and....the thing about the Clintons is that so many people who were a threat to them met an untimely and inexplicable death. Since personally, I have known almost no one who has met an untimely or inexplicable death, and even given that the Clintons know many more, likely thousands more people than most of us know, it still seems highly suspicious. What most disturbs me about Epstein's death, is that it occurred in an American prison. If the guards and perhaps other perpetrators stand united and simply lie through their teeth, and get away with whatever they might have done or not done that may have caused Epstein's death, that is even more disturbing. And as others have said, President Trump is usually right.And Leftists are usually wrong.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: bighambone 8/11/2019 12:51:22 PM (No. 149143)
Clearly the Clintons tried to destroy President Trump with their dirty trick political hoax that Trump “colluded” with the Russians. So whatever remarks that Trump makes about the Clintons should be taken as a grain of salt.
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Reply 29 - Posted by: lakerman1 8/11/2019 2:09:28 PM (No. 149186)
The Atlantic is not rising.
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