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Posted By: Pluperfect, 5/31/2019 4:20:00 AM

Markets thrive on competition. Unfortunately, this doesn’t just apply to real economic markets. It also applies to markets for bad ideas and political pandering. With approximately 200 Democrats now running for president (we lost count a few weeks ago), the bidding to bribe Iowa caucusgoers is becoming intense. This is unfortunate not just because it is unseemly but also because the offers are coming at the expense of the nation’s well-being and the environment’s health. The worst pander so far comes from Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn. When she is not privately belittling her staff in ALL CAPS 4 a.m. emails, Klobuchar is attempting to gain

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Krause 5/31/2019 4:36:52 AM (No. 87428)
What is the redeeming value of ethanol?
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Reply 2 - Posted by: chumley 5/31/2019 4:49:33 AM (No. 87432)
That garbage costs more, reduces my gas mileage by about 10% and my car isn't as perky. Like the 55 mph speed limit and daylight savings time, if it ever had any value it is long past.
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Reply 3 - Posted by: rinohunter 5/31/2019 5:10:40 AM (No. 87442)
No matter the evidence that ethanol serves no good as a gasoline additive, let alone its deleterious effects on the environment (and long term economic problems), listen up: IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE (where have we heard this one before). Ethanol is good for you, your car and the earth. The masterminds have determined that, and that is that! You shall conform and you will like it. I'm not expecting to waive goodbye to ethanol, contrary to the arguments in this article.
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Reply 4 - Posted by: F15 Gork 5/31/2019 5:20:35 AM (No. 87451)
I’m old enough to remember the good old days when you could pull into a full service station and tell the attendant to “Fill her up with Ethyl” - that was the good high octane stuff with lead baked in and no other additives. It’s really a Hillary getting old......
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Reply 5 - Posted by: LadyChurchillUSA 5/31/2019 5:36:47 AM (No. 87463)
It never did make sense to use food as a fuel. The world is awash with oil but it is not awash with food and our production should be aimed at making that as affordable for ourselves and the world as possible. The real problem is going to be farmers giving up food production for the more profitable marijuana production. That is going to cause more famine than anyone can imagine.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: GO3 5/31/2019 5:38:14 AM (No. 87465)
Ethanol has a lot of redeeming value, just not for my vehicle and lawn tractor ; )
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Reply 7 - Posted by: secondtimelucky 5/31/2019 6:21:02 AM (No. 87493)
further to 5's response, this Spring and all the really awful weather in the midwest corn belt is likely to keep corn production way under ordinary seasons. I'd like to believe someone with common sense in gov't (yeah, I know) might just "waive" corn production for ethanol so that farmers can get back to the business of farming - for food. What limited harvest there will be would have greater human value in cereal and corn meal and corn syrup and other food based applications that we aren't even aware of. And taco shells!!!
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Reply 8 - Posted by: tom7 5/31/2019 6:28:27 AM (No. 87498)
It looks a tad ignorant to misspell "wave".
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Reply 9 - Posted by: franq 5/31/2019 6:33:14 AM (No. 87504)
Exhibit A in crony capitalism.
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Reply 10 - Posted by: Judy W. 5/31/2019 6:34:32 AM (No. 87505)
I think the "waive" in the headline is a pun, not a misspelling, since they want us to waive the ethanol requirement.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: Hazymac 5/31/2019 6:44:54 AM (No. 87517)
Ethanol is an adulterant to gasoline, watering it down, reducing power and mileage, and sludging up engines and gas tanks. In my opinion, signing the Renewable Fuel Standard was one of W's worst mistakes, a real unforced error on his part. We never needed this stuff, especially in our gas tanks. Get rid of it forever. Car collector Jay Leno hates the stuff, as well. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/jay-leno-hates-ethanol.php
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Reply 12 - Posted by: Fosterdad 5/31/2019 6:59:03 AM (No. 87524)
I live in the corn belt, my brother and his wife own a farm, and I agree that we need to get rid of ethanol. There are a billion starving people in the world and we're putting food into cars. If that isn't the definition of insanity, nothing is.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: Paperpuncher 5/31/2019 7:20:31 AM (No. 87544)
Agree with all above. There are several problems with this mess. 1. The production of ethanol is more expensive and more harmful to the environment than gasoline. 2. Ethanol leaves deposits and eats parts on carburetors on small engines, as well as larger engines. 3. It is less efficient than gasoline and reduces the fuel mileage on your car. 4. And here is the big one: Subsidizing corn farmers and creating an artificial demand for corn significantly drives up the price of food products that depend on corn. Not only cornmeal and corn additives, but most meat products which livestock depends on corn for feed. Example: In all the food markets I have been in since around 2005 or so the price of pork products has actually tripled. Beef: have you looked at the price of porterhouse steaks lately. I can no longer afford to buy them. Literally everything you eat has spiked in price due the the artificial demand on corn caused by this. And the additional prize at the end of this is that the government does not use the price of food in calculating the rate of inflation. Really? In the mean time the large industrial farmers are making millions if not billions off subsidies on something that should never be subsidized. Needless to say, I am pi-sed and want to see this horrible waste to stop so I can afford my retirement and not have to eat dog food.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: Sorosisbehindit 5/31/2019 7:23:35 AM (No. 87549)
The only valid role of ethanol is to achieve U.S. energy independence from the middle east.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: planetgeo 5/31/2019 7:25:47 AM (No. 87555)
Another reason the Democrats will never "waive" goodbye to ethanol is that it's in effect their welfare program for farmers. Getting corn farmers hooked on it is part of the Democrat plan for turning the corn belt blue.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: gone2pot 5/31/2019 7:35:44 AM (No. 87570)
The feds using tax payer money to buy food, then burn it, using two gallons of gasoline to produce one gallon of "planet saving" ethanol, will end when the space shuttle lands safely in my driveway and I win Powerball five times in a row without buying a ticket and the GOP stops falling down, rolling over and soiling itself whenever a Marxist whispers boo in their ears. (For Rio Lindans, that would be never)
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Terry_tr6 5/31/2019 7:45:52 AM (No. 87585)
Don't you just love it when farmers say all they want is a level playing field and be free from goverrnment interference so they can sell their product world wide?
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Reply 18 - Posted by: Clinger 5/31/2019 8:06:30 AM (No. 87607)
Just an example of creeping socialism we weren't supposed to notice.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: Nevadadad46 5/31/2019 8:16:23 AM (No. 87617)
Once a warped meme get's stuck in government by law, it is almost impossible to cut it out. Like hate crime laws, "Scare the planet!" laws, anti-gun laws, abortion laws, forced bussing laws and Obamacare. And that names just a few of the bigger ones. This ethanol crap is in the law! It is there becasue it benefits huge financial interests- mega farms, little farms, auto-manufacturers, oil industry and- worst of them all - politicians! Yep. Try not appeasing the Corn Lobby and see what happens to your political career in the mid-west and even beyond. If you are a pol and your donations are flagging- just come out and rail against Ethanol. Those jokers will rush to your office with hard, cold cash in hand propping your dead beat a55 up. And their little minions in the "Environmental" Kook department will be parading around your Town Halls demanding your head if you do not do what the Corn guys tell you to do. That is the problem with corn! And it is not going to be getting the "Waive" any time soon. Count on it.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All 5/31/2019 8:27:02 AM (No. 87633)
Ethanol is not going anywhere. There is too much money already in the industry. Corn farmers (including big food conglomerates) give way too much money to PACs and various congressmen. Congress will not do away with it willingly.
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Reply 21 - Posted by: Leathernuts 5/31/2019 8:48:12 AM (No. 87649)
The dubious value of ethanol is apparent when it comes to small engines. Before it was pointed out to me, I replaced several carburetors on small engines because that crap was eating the guts. A buddy has a small engine repair shop and he says 90-95% of the issues owners experience with their gear is due to ethanol. So we are forced into a dilemma: buy more carburetors, or buy expensive marine gas for boat motors. The subsidiary fits the Great Ronaldus Magnumus dictum: The closest thing to eternal life on this earth is a government program.
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Reply 22 - Posted by: jacksin5 5/31/2019 9:04:40 AM (No. 87673)
If the Pols are so enamored with subsidizing farmers by mandating the use of Ethanol in fuel, why not buy up corn surpluses, and go back to feeding the world's poor as part of our Foreign Aid. No more cash for Dictators, food for their citizens.
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Reply 23 - Posted by: DVC 5/31/2019 9:56:34 AM (No. 87733)
#13, I don't disagree at all with your overall premise, certainly ethanol is harmful but your item #2 is factually incorrect as to the mechanism for harm. Ethanol attracts and holds water in a mix with gasoline, doesn't permit it to separate like it normally would. If this water contaminated ethanol-gasoline mix is left in a carburetor for a long time, it will cause corrosion of the metal parts. The corrosion products are what clog and damage the carburetor. If ethanol fuel is run quickly through small engines, and not left in them for long periods, it is not AS harmful. One other problem, much reduced as manufacturers adapt to the damned ethanol is that some polymers used for fuel lines or other parts incontact with fuel will age harden and crack more rapidly, over a period of a few years, leading to failed fuel system components, most commonly broken plastic fuel lines. Ethanol is NOT good for engines, but is most harmful because of the entrapped water causing corrosion. This is most harmful to engines like mowers, outboards, chain saws, power washers, generators, etc which see seasonal service and are damaged when stored with fuel in the carbs. The "leaves deposits and eats components" isn't really the ethanol, which leaves no deposits itself, but the water it can attract and hold an indirectly give results something like that. A more accurate description would be "causes corrosion damage and more rapid aging for fuel system parts". In the end, the result is the same - damaged small engines, but the mechanism is different - but caused by ethanol.
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Reply 24 - Posted by: felixcat 5/31/2019 10:08:43 AM (No. 87754)
Re #19 - So like politicians, corn farmers in Iowa put their own selfish interests ahead of what is best for the country. Screw Iowa.
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Reply 25 - Posted by: HotRod 5/31/2019 10:23:47 AM (No. 87771)
Eliminating this foolish program could make more corn available for good ol' corn whiskey! That is an export that sells exceptionally well around the world, not to mention here at home!
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Reply 26 - Posted by: Jubal 5/31/2019 10:31:26 AM (No. 87781)
It's way past time to label ethanol correctly. It's food stamps for farmers.
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Reply 27 - Posted by: DennisM 5/31/2019 10:42:08 AM (No. 87789)
Besides burning a food source in our vehicles it's not economical feasible to produce and transport. Just like windmills and electric cars common sense is thrown out the window.
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Reply 28 - Posted by: TXLakeRat 5/31/2019 11:10:11 AM (No. 87815)
I can't believe y'all don't think taking food off the table of the poor and turning it into a very inefficient and harmful form of gasoline is not a good idea. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? /s
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Reply 29 - Posted by: JohnReid56 5/31/2019 11:17:15 AM (No. 87822)
#1, the redeeming value of ethanol, when it's not de-natured is that it helps you temporarily forget all of your troubles. :-0 In college, we used to make a wicked good punch with pure grain alcohol, AKA ethanol.
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Reply 30 - Posted by: smcchk 5/31/2019 11:31:40 AM (No. 87828)
The entire Midwest is a cool, soggy mess. Fields have not been planted anywhere! Or very limited. There is not going to be any corn this season. I do not know why the media is not making more of this because it looks like a coming catastrophe to me. The first thing we can do is to get rid of the ethanol requirement. There will not be enough corn!
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Reply 31 - Posted by: Smart11344 5/31/2019 12:47:15 PM (No. 87867)
Ethanol was always a bad idea. Higher costs, poorer gas mileage, engine damage. The nonsense of ethanol must STOP. The government subsidizes ethanol. I am stunned that my current favorite President didn't shut down the gasoline/ethanol mix soon after he took office. I'll say he did have a lot of stuff to undo from Obama. But, please do us a major favor and get rid of corn made gasoline.
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Reply 32 - Posted by: Smart11344 5/31/2019 1:07:40 PM (No. 87874)
Thank God for this miracle. Ethanol should never been used to mix with gasoline. Lover gas mieage, damage to engine componets, etc. Get RID of ehthanol. The sooner the better. Besides the government has subsidized the farmers for the corn to mix to the gasolne. What a boondoggle.
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Reply 33 - Posted by: Rumblehog 5/31/2019 1:10:55 PM (No. 87876)
This crap has ruined TWO brand new power tools in only one year's time. The first was a mower and the second a power washer, both ended up needing new carburetors due to the gunk that this stuff makes when it interacts with every rubber/plastic part in a fuel system and engine. My engine repairman told me to use mid-grade fuel instead to get away from this 10% crap. In Dallas you can hardly find gas station that doesn't have ethanol-based gasoline. It's horrid. Tell the corn farmers to grow FOOD CORN and stop this unsustainable subsidy.
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Reply 34 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX 5/31/2019 4:28:25 PM (No. 87955)
Great new... Now we'll hear the outcry from environmentalists about carbon, ADM and large corporate farms due to loss of their subsidy.
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Reply 35 - Posted by: mountain oyster 5/31/2019 5:02:22 PM (No. 87987)
We have been supporting big sugar for years. Now it's the corn crowd. Nice to help out, but it isn't needed for either of them. Count the aisles in your grocery store that offers sugar products...amazing! We are hooked! Ethanol is available everywhere too, offered up by Congress dudes seeking votes at the expense of the rest of us. Please reduce support on both........oh, let me pop that pimple for you, it's big one!
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Some 41 percent of college students say hate speech shouldn't be protected under the First Amendment, according to a new survey.Just 58 percent said that hate speech should be protected under the amendment, which guarantees American's a right to freedom of speech, according to the survey of 4,407 students by the Miami-based Knight Foundation.'There is a new class of students on college campuses, increasingly varied in background and ideology, who are grappling with the reach and limits of free speech and what it means in the 21st century,' said Sam Gill, Knight Foundation vice president for learning and communities.'Studying their views is key to understanding the impact
Adam Schiff Demands Authority Over
Executive Branch Declassification,
and Advanced Warning of
Investigative Content…
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Posted by earlybird 6/1/2019 9:10:24 AM Post Reply
Oh, this is rich…. Shifty and hyper-partisan Adam Schiff, quite possibly the world’s slimiest human, writes a letter (as below) to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, demanding legislative branch authority over executive branch declassification. The scale of obtuse, hypocritical and self-serving protestation is off-the-charts.First, the executive branch controls the declassification process unilaterally. The legislative branch can request briefings; and customarily the executive informs the ‘gang of eight’ (when needed) on matters of intelligence releases. However, the legislative branch has no authority over the independent decisions/purposes of the executive in
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