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Alabama votes to BAN nearly all abortions including in cases of rape and incest with doctors facing up to 99 years in jail for performing them

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Posted By: ScarletPimpernel, 5/15/2019 4:10:14 PM

Alabama lawmakers last night passed a near-total ban on abortions - including in cases of rape and incest - while threatening to jail doctors who carry them out for life. State governor Kay Ivey, a Republican, will make the final decision on whether to enact the controversial law after local senators voted in favour by 25 to six. If it´s signed off, the new law will make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy - punishable by up to 99 years in jail. If it´s signed off

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Reply 1 - Posted by: lakerman1 5/15/2019 4:13:25 PM (No. 65497)
Ethel Waters, product of the rape of her mother at age 13, by a family friend.
Raise your hand if you believe she should have been aborted.
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Reply 2 - Posted by: SALady 5/15/2019 4:27:44 PM (No. 65508)
Alabama is a small state. I´m guessing right now, given a hostile environment for abortion by the majority of people in the state, most women who want an abortion are having to travel a couple of hours to get one.

If this law is signed and upheld by the courts, the average woman will simply drive a couple of hours to an adjoining state to kill her unborn baby.

We all know that this is a chance for the Supreme Court to get the chance to overturn R v W. And lets all pray that it works!!!!!!
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Reply 3 - Posted by: voxpopuli 5/15/2019 4:28:17 PM (No. 65498)
get all those demonrats moving to NYC and kalifornia
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Reply 4 - Posted by: Starboard_side 5/15/2019 4:33:15 PM (No. 65506)
Sorry, but I believe even the Catholic Church allows for in cases of rape or incest.

This may go too far, and end up being declared unconstitutional due to it being too extreme.

Also believe Roe has wording about viability of the baby, and with modern technology, viability is getting earlier and earlier. Should be working along those lines, IMO.
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Reply 5 - Posted by: Maggie2u 5/15/2019 4:37:02 PM (No. 65502)
If abortion is becoming illegal, abortionist don’t perform them, they commit them.
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Reply 6 - Posted by: Yuban 5/15/2019 4:40:02 PM (No. 65493)
The unborn are still the innocent in cases of rape and incest. There is never a time to kill the innocent. NEVER. Just because life sucks at times, you still can never kill the innocent.
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Reply 7 - Posted by: Kowgirl 5/15/2019 4:40:31 PM (No. 65491)
Feminists have cut off their nose to spite their face. Early first trimester "evacuations" was not enough ... they had to agitate for post-birth murder. The adage "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.
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Reply 8 - Posted by: SALady 5/15/2019 4:54:48 PM (No. 65501)
No, #4, the Catholic Church definitely does not allow abortion in any case!!!!!

Even if a baby is conceived in rape, it does not deserve to be slaughtered in the womb!!!! The baby did nothing wrong!!!!! The rapist deserves a death sentence, not the innocent baby!!!!!
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Reply 9 - Posted by: ZeldaFitzg 5/15/2019 5:09:32 PM (No. 65495)
I have reservations about this. Let´s say that an eleven year old is raped by her trashy sister´s boyfriend, who is of another race. She thought at first that he was wrestling or beating her, didn´t even recognize what was happening. Is this eleven year old supposed to raise the resultant child, whose very appearance reminds her, her family, and the community every single day of what was done to her (or what she "brought upon herself")?

She doesn´t even understand entirely what happened, but she does know enough to feel guilt as the community whispers and accuses her for "bringing it on herself." She is eternally embarrassed and ashamed. She loses her playmates because of this, and later loses all prospects of marrying into a decent family.

Perhaps her own family---including the trashy sister---believes she "brought it on herself." Perhaps as an eleven year old child she laughed at his jokes, innocently appreciated the attention he was giving her, entirely misunderstanding what was on his trashy mind. The family blames her for disgracing them, and the trashy sister believes she was trying to steal her boyfriend. They will never change their minds, and she must endure this treatment not only periodically, but every single breathing moment of her life.

What is the appropriate remedy here? Are you going to raise the child? Are you going to save her from the shame heaped on her from all sides? Are you going to give her a safe place to live? Are you going to protect her from her sister´s trashy boyfriend and his friends when they all come calling?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: tisHimself 5/15/2019 5:16:07 PM (No. 65492)
I would note that adoption didn’t enter your hypothetical.

Great things can result from such horrible scenarios.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: hurricanegirl 5/15/2019 6:11:48 PM (No. 65503)
Gee, #9, ever heard of adoption?

Murdering someone (no matter the person´s location--in the womb or out) is still murder! I´m sure we can all think of horrendous scenarios in which a girl raising such a child might be difficult, even detrimental, but two wrongs NEVER make a right!
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Reply 12 - Posted by: TXknitter 5/15/2019 6:35:46 PM (No. 65504)
God bless Alabama!! Do we have any idea how the blessings and favor God shall be enjoyed by this place because their lawmakers did this? This is no longer talk - obviously many Christians prayed this past all the naysayers and won a huge battle. This is a magnificent victory for the cause of America once again being a nation Whose God is the Lord.
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Reply 13 - Posted by: MeiDei 5/15/2019 6:58:52 PM (No. 65505)
There are few times in life where one might be called to lay down their life for another. Yes, adoption is the right response. You give up the months of your life before birth (and ideally enough after to provide the colostrum from your milk to help the baby survive & thrive) as your sacrifice. Unfortunately, we can all think of cases where that is easier said than done.

Until most of the people of this country - including all media - champion abstinance and fidelity and attack rape, adultry & promiscuous behavior, I don´t see any change.
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Reply 14 - Posted by: DVC 5/15/2019 7:24:05 PM (No. 65507)
This is intended to spark another challenge up to the Supreme Court, far more than anything else.
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Reply 15 - Posted by: MuncsSister 5/15/2019 7:48:28 PM (No. 65499)
#4 the Catholic Church absolutely 100% does not allow for abortion at anytime and under any circumstance, ever. Catholics know that a baby is a baby, regardless of the circumstances of conception.

This whole ‘pregnant 11 year old, rape and incest’ argument is the lefts’ favorite red herring. I am absolutely horrified by the number of posters here who seem to actually believe that the way to heal a rape victim is to coerce her into murdering her baby. Explain to me how that will make her less emotionally damaged? Perhaps the healing in these extraordinarily rare instances begins in adoption. The baby committed no crime.

If the governor has chosen this as the moment to make her stand, I applaud her. The raging, evil left in this country may hate her, and they will now try to tear the beautiful State of Alabama to shreds. But, she is on the side of good. And anyone who calls themselves pro-life should all be right there with her. There can be no exceptions.
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Reply 16 - Posted by: Skeptical1 5/15/2019 8:41:29 PM (No. 65496)
#14, I´m sure you´re right, but it almost seems intended to give the Democrats a victory in 2020. Coercing a rape victim to carry her baby to term is not a winning issue, politically or (in my view) morally. As for the moral argument, all I can say is that if a woman in my life were raped, and after reflection, wanted a legal abortion, I would see that she got one. A sorrow and a pity, but she did not create the situation. If that makes me a raging leftist, so be it.
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Reply 17 - Posted by: Folsomguy 5/15/2019 8:51:36 PM (No. 65500)
Last I checked there are still 30-40 states that allow it for rape and incest or whatever nasty situation being talked about.
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Reply 18 - Posted by: joew9 5/15/2019 8:54:15 PM (No. 65510)
I´ve heard statements from several Alabama politicians that say this is only to drive the issue to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe V Wade with the hope that the states and the people can have control over the rules for an abortion.
I suspect that if it was only up to the states that most states would permit some level of legality for the first trimester and then only very rarely for 2nd and 3rd.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: LaVallette 5/16/2019 5:31:50 AM (No. 65509)
Missing the point. The objective is getting Roe v Wade decision reviewed by the Supreme Court.Its legal basis (founded on a non existent notion of right to privacy whihc is not mentioned at all in the Constitution) and henceforth forbidding the states from making any laws against or regulating abortion is not only unfunded but the legal arguments supporting that interpretation and applying it to abortion are both legally stretched and confusing.
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Reply 20 - Posted by: LaVallette 5/16/2019 5:35:44 AM (No. 65494)
If, when reduced to the bare bones the right to abortion is about providing relief for incest and rape (which still involve the deliberate termination of the life of an innocent human being) why is that right universally available and on demand?
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