Sorry You’re Offended, But ‘Palestine’ Does Not Exist

and so it goes .. on and on. anything changed?

I know a "Palestinian" who is married to a stunningly beautiful Iraqi lady. He was a part of the resistance but freed himself from the hateful unmanageable mentality and now lives in San Francisco where he owns a very profitable business.

I was at dinner at their gorgeous home one evening when a very friendly debate came up concerning Palestinian independence.

I asked, why did the "Palestinians" fight so hard to keep the Jews out of Israel when they offered to purchase land and come in peacefully as a part of their community?

He said there was a very simple answer, "Because we were stupid!" (That´s a quote!)

He made no bones about it and pointed out this hatred goes back thousands of years when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a pot of porridge. Until that hatred is put aside, they will never be living in peace and affluence.

His wife chimed in and said that the "Palestinians" have never been able to rise above the hatred. That only has been the impediment that has denied them a place in that world of peace and affluence. She over and over referred to the mess in the Gaza where they for decades have lived in squalor as "refugees." Only when they set aside the hatred can a meaningful community be formed that can be managed in a way to bring peace.

A country for the Arabs in the British Mandate did and does exist — it’s called Jordan.

Jordan has since renounced it’s claims to the western bank of the river Jordan, ceding the land to Israel.

Jordan was the only legal nation state claimant.

It’s a fact.

My father was born in Poland in 1905.
That is a false statement, because Poland did not exist from 1790 to 1920. (one of Woodrow Wilson´s 14 point plan was re reestablishment of Poland. There is a street in Posan, Poland named Woodrow Wilson Boulevard.)
While my example is a simple one, it is at the heart of the dispute about Palestine.
Yasir Arafat was an egyptian, yet enriched himself as the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization. (PLO)
Barack Obola is a Kenyan, who enriched himself as an American president.
Is there a solution to the Palestinian problem, that would work as well as repatriation of Poland in 1920?
No.
The problem is much like an incurable disease. The best that can be done is to live with the disease.

I remember now. They used to be called Philistines. Thanks.

#3´s post is correct. This is the ancient hatred. And the issue of Esau and Jacob can also explain, I believe, why Muslims believe God has no Son. Remember that Abraham sent Esau and Hagar away when Esau was probably around 14-15 years old. Jacob, not Esau, was the son that God promised Abraham and Sarah. Esau essentially lost a father. I believe this explains in great part the deep-seated bitterness and hatred the Arab/now Muslim world has always held toward the Jews. It also explains the trouble the Israelites always had with the Edomites, descendants of Esau.

Don´t know how it is now but when I was in Israel in the mid eighties, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, En Gedi, Jericho, Bethel, Bethlehem, etc had Arabs and Jews side by side getting along just fine. While walking up the Via Del a Rosa, between the 11th station boutique and the 12th station camera shop (while I was thinking of opening up the fifteenth station bar), an Arab meat market owner saw I was an American with short hair, assumed correctly I was a Marine and called me a baby killer but other than that, Israel was safe, very friendly and Arabs and Jews got along famously. Arafat, who was then way up the coast in Tripoli, was creating as much hatred and mayhem as possible; he even tried to shoot me down one fine day when the USS Ship gave me incorrect vectors (skud layer on the coast, couldn´t see the coastline) straight into Tripoli. Fortunately, from thousands of miles away, the state department said it never happened. Man the state department rocket scientists were good, competent too! The Isaac/Ishmael kill-each-other-palooza deal just keeps on humming along.

Per the above poster - - "Palestine" is the Roman version of "Philistine" - - which in turn was derived from "Phoenician."

The Phoenicians were a very accomplished seafaring people - - who established colonies across the Mediterranean and North "Africa."

"Africa" was the name of a Roman province - - where parts of modern-day Tunisia and Libya are now located.

The Phoenicians never wrote down their own history - - so they are largely forgotten - - but they were among the leading civilizations and innovators of their time.

7, you might want to read Genesis 33:1 through 33:20. The Jacob and Esau thing ended in a good way. Prior to that though, Isaac and Ishmael on the other hand...not so much.

I have known and know regular American working people who consider themselves to be "Palestinian." Regardless of facts these people identify with a Palestinian homeland. Like being the first one to a four way stop when someone else rolls through first because they did a little pause well before the intersection, we have to accept being technically correct is not all that matters.

How about an in depth study of the land that became the 20th century Israel, who was really there? I don´t get claim places my ancestors walked away from in the seventeenth century.

The indisputable relevant truth is the current state of Israel was a wasteland with a spattering of nomadic goat herders. Where are the descendants of those goat herders now, how have they been treated since the 1940´s? That´s relevant. I bet they aren´t the ones throwing rocks and blowing up school busses.

The descendants of non-Jewish people with an ancestral claim to the land that their people walked away from are owed no more than I am owed Western Europe. Even if they were once driven off in the distant past they didn´t decide to go back until other people built something, they weren´t all that motivated by a lust for the homeland when they could have had it for nothing.

Were there any real towns and villages and what happened to them? What side of the dispute are their grandchildren on, Israel where they have full rights or the current "Palestinian" Islamic state?

What became modern Israel was as close to an unoccupied desert wasteland as possible in the 20th century. The Jews turned that desolate scrap into a magnificent country. And now other people suddenly want it?

Isaac, son of Sarah and the promise, and Ishmael, son of Hagar, were the 2 sons of Abraham to which today´s Arab/Jewish conflicts can ultimately be traced. Jacob and Esau were the twin sons of Isaac, and Abraham´s grandsons. Esau´s descendants were the Edomites.

I stand corrected, and I know better. Yikes! thanks you.

It was named Palestine by the Roman General who conquered Israel in 70AD to wipe the name of the Jews off the map. But, we don´t study History anymore because it is hard and stuff... Female and Male Neutering studies are so much more fulfilling!

there will never be peace between arabs and Israel because of the deep seeded hatred of the decendents of Ishmael

History is not kind to the Arabs in the Middle East. About 1000AD the Seljuk Turks moved into the area, and set about turning every nation of any kind into another part of a tax farm set up to support the Turkish noble classes.

That went on until about 1918 when the Allies won WWI and began partitioning the Middle East ...... in an attempt to create some self-rule among the Arabic speaking peoples there.

For all practical purposes there was but one country to chop up and it was called the Ottoman Empire....

Of note the Ottomans had sold Lord Rothschild title to a place called The Golan Heights! When modern Israel was created by the United Nations, that title deed was not recognized.

Actually, almost no major title deeds were recognized by the Allies as they reconfigured everything.

In regards to #3 observations, kind of sounds like the same problem the left has here in America.

Very simple & quick series of test questions to ask any "Palestinian" --- and their fellow travelers --- or anyone else for that matter who thinks they live in a country called "Palestine".

Do you have your own currency or coins and do you have a treasury to back it up?

Are you recognized as a separate entity that is allowed to issue your own postage stamps on mail & packages and these stamps
are accepted by ALL foreign postal services --- not just locally?

Lastly, do you have "state" employees? Namely anyone (police, military, doctors, clerks, janitors, etc.) who work for the so-called "state or country" and are they paid in coin of your realm?

If the answer to any of these questions is a simple "No" ... then you are no more a state than The Basques and/or the Catalans of Spain are separate countries or the American Indian on a reservation (sorry, Native American) is living in a separate "country".

You´re living in an "disputed area" --- no more or less and probably a "protectorate" of a bigger country that plays along with your fantasy.

Simple tests:

Show me some Palestinian money from ANY era?
Tell me of great kings of Palestine.
Show me the writings of great writers of Palestine.

Hard fact: There are NONE of these things.

Palestine, at least since the birth of Christ has been a region of other countries, like the Roman Empire, then the Ottoman Empire, then Egypt, Jordan, the British Mandate, and more tangled modern messes.

But, Palestine as a country is a mirage, a fiction, a story that people from this region like to tell these days.

#5, at least Poland had existed as a country for centuries. There are Polish kings, Polish money, great Polish authors, etc. Yes, it was subsumed for a period.

But Palestine never existed as a country, never in history. It was always a region of some other country.

#7, I have said for many years that if Abraham had kept it zipped, (figuratively, obviously no zippers then), the world would be a much better place now.